Seems worthy of its own topic.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Seems worthy of its own topic.
I don't have the points to start a new topic. Maybe someone who does will.
I think we are in better hands all the way around. Good luck to RR. Move on.
I definitley thought Rich Rod could have done it, but after the embarassment in the Gator Bowl, he had to be fired. Not acceptable.
Can't bake a cake without eggs and sugar (defense/st)
Hoke and his staff had nothing to do with it. Come on RR at least acknowledge them doing a good job.
I have a toy pony and he takes big shits.
and blame everyone else.
Hey cool, another opportunity for me to say how glad I am that Rich Rod is nowhere near this program.
All of the sudden I have a huge craving for cake.
Media being media, RR will be asked THE inflammatory question countless times, in hopes of an inflammatory response. The media reminds me of a woman in a trailer park trying to get two men to get into a fistfight over her.
RR is honest, and really didn't say anything that is newsworthy here. Besides, almost anyone here would feel the same way he did if they were treated like RR was at Michigan. I wonder how many here would have the restraint that RR has in his remarks if they were in his shoes? My guess: not very many.
He could have just said "I know that this would have been the year, but unfortunately it didn't work out. But I'm happy for those kids, they deserved it." It answers the question and also leaves no room for people to complain about it. Would anyone be enraged or discussing something like that?
ETA: I just realized how Hoke like the second part sounds. Please don't ever give us a reason to fire you Hoke.
but there is no way in hell last years Michigan team goes 10-2 with an invite to the Sugar Bowl under your leadership. You were looking at hiring your 3rd fricking defensive coordinator in 4 years and you undoubtedly would have interferred with that side of ball by the MSU game.
None, zero, zip, zilch. Enjoy Arizona.
happy we have Hoke and that is all that we need.
be the only person who with out any doubt knowsour team 132 would have never been as good as they were under Hoke. Rich Rod din't coach, nor could find a coach who knew anything about defense. I am sorry he may have recruited most of the kids on the team, and had one hell of an offense, our defense was a freaking joke. And in my mind only two people could have turned it around so quic and they are Hoke, and Mattison, not Rich Rod or Gerg, or even Casteel (sp?) for a motter of fact. Goodbye Rich and and you wont be missed, we have our guy and thank the stars and whoever else like God we now have him. End of this story cause we won, Rich Rod is gone.
one hell of an exciting offense...
I'm tired of hearing what a victim this man was. Real leaders don't need to whine about everything under the sun. Brady Hoke came in here, offered zero excuses, and got to work.
RichRod was called an attention whore for playing score-o at a hockey game before he was coach. Hoke was praised for not playing score-o and making it all about the kids. Comparing how each coach acted when they got here is pointless for this reason alone. No one knows how either coach would have acted had the roles been reversed (Hoke had to deal with "Lloyd Carr's Michigan" on Monday Night Football or RichRod would have had an AD who cared how he looked to the fanbase).
I mean anyone who would play Score-O BEFORE he was coach must want attention. No wonder West Virginia was so pissed at him; rather than preparing for Pitt he was shooting pucks at another school he wasn't even a coach at!
How they didn't see that he was leaving coming....
Why can't he remember this from his first press conference in Ann Arbor and just shut the hell up. Nobody believes him, including guys like Molk and RVB who talked about the changes Hoke brought to the team whenever they were asked.
"There's an old movie called The Lion King. There's a scene in the movie where a monkey hits the lion over the head, and the lion says, 'What'd you do that for?' and the monkey says, 'It doesn't matter, it's in the past.' "
- Dec. 17, 2007
That quote epitomizes the culture shock that the Michigan fanbase went through during the RR era.
We went from Lloyd Carr who quoted Rudyard Kipling, to RR who quoted Rafiki from the Lion King.
And you can be pretty sure it wasn't the Broadway play verison of the Lion King. It was the Lion King cartoon.
and to be all but invisible during the RR years to one who espoused the greatness of the hiring of BH, a true "Michigan Man" wtf is that, anyway? and one who was regulardy seen at home games during the 2011 season. He is a fucking crybaby who didn't get to watch his OC Debord become HC.
I agree with the poster above who was talking about the "Bad Fit" scenario, but there were many outside forces that helped bring the man down, one who was willing to have his alma mater placed on probation for stretchgate because all his other miserable attempts at digging up dirt in a well cemented area proved as fruitless as one could imagine before attempting such a daunting task. RR was a bad fit here, but I think he learned something. No matter what team he coaches in the future, he had better get someone on his sidelines from Day one who knows 80% as much about defense as he does about driving the opposing coordinator crazy on offense. That, in the end, was RR's undoing here. He's a damn fine coach, and his staff worked their asses off. He brought in some great talent, among them the most exciting offensive player we've had play in the Big House in a number of years.
He would have been good here. He will be good anywhere where immediate success is not required for retention. It took him awhile to find his place no matter where he coached. Michigan demands, and rightfully so, to have someone who is ready to meet the needs immediately and BH has proven to be that man. We should be very thankful for that. But all one has to do is remember BH and Mattison did not one recruit from last season's team. He was assembling a roster that had been all but neglected under his predecessor; facts such as having 65 players and 21 defensive players on the roster of the winningest program in D1 history just don't lie. If BH had taken over immediately, he would have taken three years to get the program back to our expected norm. LC left it in just terrible shape but somehow wishes to be remembered for his wins only and not his shortcomings, and too many members of the media are more than happy to abide by his wishes.
But stuff like "BH and Mattison did not one recruit from last season's team" make it too incoherent to bother. It's a fun world you live in, though.
I'm never going to get this guy out of my life am I?
After reading Three and Out I "want" to like RR. But then he keeps saying things like this and it makes me think good riddance and SHUT THE HELL UP!
and it fell flat...tell RR to STFU about Michigan already NOTHING he did indicated success..Hoke took the same players and won 11 games Beat Ohio and won the Sugar Bowl..Hoke did that not RR
RR did NOTHING good? A young man with flowing dreads and a winning smile disagrees with you.
Team 132 was Hokes team. They played for him the way he asked them to play. He put them in winning situations all year long.
There were a lot of guys invited to play by RR, but they learned to win with Hoke and his staff.
Let it go man!
Any Michigan fan using the name of Hoke or his staff to take shots at RR is just as weak as his excuses for not actually doing well at Michigan. RR had a combination of faults and obstacles, too many to overcome. Few people could have taken the leftover-lemon situation after MSU's (NNTMSU--sparty didn't win a bowl until 2 months ago) bowl victory and then coach it into the sweet, sweet lemonade that Hoke and staff have produced. So, what's the problem with using their success to disparage RR?
None of us were rooting for Hoke to be our coach after RR.
I chose to support RR as I did Carr (despite his faults) when he was coach. Others divisively called or cried for Harbaugh (for all his coaching success, he doesn't have the personality of Hoke, and there are no guaranteed successes at Michigan). There were even those who--during those times of adversity--quit on teams 129, 130 and 131; if you doubt this statement, ask RVB.
My point is: I think the RR era was meant to show Michigan fans that success is not guaranteed and never comes easily. This past season, he would have been better than 7-5 but not as good as Hoke's 11-2, imo. Let's just be better fans than we were during those weeks Brandon fired RR and hired Hoke. Let's take the high road on RR as a topic and just not comment; let it go, truly.
Just a thought. go blue.
He didn't fire Gerg, and they were terrible. Ok, now I will try.
Speak for yourself.
You're smart enough to spot the obvious hyperbole I used there. I obviously cannot know each & every mgoblog-user's position on RR's successor. I know nobody supported Hoke's hiring w as much passion as they now do in touting his success. What's weak is using that success somehow as proof that RR wouldn't have improved.
I didn't even say anything about Rich in this long thread. Just your "hyperbole" that none of us wanted Hoke. And I was hardly the only one. (And no, I don't mean Brandon too) It went from some who did a little homework, to a number after he was hired, to the majority after his press conference, growing with coaching hires, to everyone (who's not still fighting the civil war) after an 11-2 season....but at that point it's kinda "duh". If there's more passion after belief turns to reality...well, duh again.
I think you're mixing two different posts, and styles of posting. The "RR sucks and never would have gotten better" hate, and the "they would have improved, but not THIS much, as Rich keeps claiming", who use that as a comparison. A valid one, because the rate the team was improving would have put them at 9 wins. (With no regression for losing by big margins but only winning by a little). To think the team would make a big leap with an offense that might have been a little bit better (it actually improved over 2010, but reasonably it would improve that much more with the same system), but the defense only improving a little bit (because what REALLY changed was immense improvement in the D) with that defensive staff, or a new one and another new system, hired and overseen by Rich is certainly something people can reasonably argue.
And they wouldn't have to, but Rich keeps claiming it and bringing it back up. And making people less sympathetic along the way.
Remind me of the fans calling for Beilein's job last year before sparty beatdown @ breslin.
They beat their chests only when the W-L record seems to support their position. Fire RR! fire Beilein! ... NCAA tourney, 11-2 sugar, big ten title ... Love Hoke! Love Beilein! Told you so (re RR)!
Harbough is conveniently forgotten.
someone left the cake out in the rain, and it was him.
You are so incompetent that you never fired Gerg! Wake the f up RR! His boyfriends need to let go also! F he drives me crazy! He killed us having the worse stretch in decades. F! You couldn't f'n bake a bowl at hash bash.
I see offensively a big step up from year three, but the defence would've had no life.
He needs to say this:
"I had a great time at Michigan, the people were wonderful, and we were confident that we had things going in the right direction. It didn't work out the way we all wanted, but that's in the past now and I'm totally focused on Arizona. Brady Hoke has done a tremendous job and I wish him and the Michigan family nothing but success in the future. Unless we play them, of course. Go Wildcats."
And then say nothing more about it in public.
But he didn't have a great time at Michigan and the people weren't wonderful. He is saying what he believed because he probably doesn't give a shit what the school or the fans think of him now that he's gone.
You can tell that there's nothing left of the dead horse's pulpy carcass to beat when even Section 1 won't deign to copy-paste another 10,000 word screed about Rich Rod vs. the Freep. I hope Rich Rod does well at Arizona because he's a good coach and a good man and he worked his tail off while he was here.
The fact is that three distinct entities failed to put Rich Rod in a position to succeed at Michigan: the media, Michigan's old guard establishment, and Rodriguez himself. Unforunately, only one of those three was able to be fired as the head football coach. Yeah, I'd love to fire Drew Sharp and Michael Rosenberg as well, but that isn't gonna happen. At the end of the day, though, they're still Sharp and Rosenberg, and that's punishment enough to last a lifetime. /thread
To see if all of the Rodriguez-haters could put up 3 or 4 pages, and maybe 200 posts, all by themselves, with scarcely a single countering argument. Proof, as it were, that there really is a kind of psychopathology with the MGoMembership. A pathology that has nothing to do with people like me who have defended Rodriguez against the dreadful and unfair way he was treated here. But just the ususal one-sided myopic revisionism that is common to all team-sports fanatics. Long Rodriguez-threads are clearly not the product of any argument, but rather some fans' personal internal anguish.
...and delicious food metaphors aside, with RR there would not have been a BCS bowl, much less a victory. Hoke & Co. didn't "just" do anything...they patched together a mess and improved a powerful offense.
Yes, they were mainly RR's guys, yes, he recruited some people. But one look at how RR's classes panned out shows us a lot to be desired. And recruiting is only part of the picture...it's coaching, coaching, coaching.
Yes, RR created a powerful offense...and whenever we faced an offense that didn't bite on Denard's read, we were quickly dismissed.
As good as the offense was, before getting shut down, the defense was equally inept, if not worse. And the longer our defense was inept, the less time our offense got a chance to even step out on the field.
I still get chills thinking about UMASS driving down the field for the better part of an entire quarter.
So, yeah, RR is to be credited for recruiting and developing guys on the offensive side of the ball. But as the win against Illinois and the embarrassment against Miss State showed...
...we weren't going to step up to any elite status anytime soon.
And I am not a RR basher. I wish he would've had more support at Meeeeeeeechigan. But more than anything else, I wish he would've had someone who could coach defense.
Because half of a football team isn't even worth talking about.
love the guy.