Rittenberg article from this morning... Sounds like RR is still working hard to get Dorsey accepted.
RR still working to get Dorsey accepted?
As Rittenberg states, this will provide some insight into how much of an uphill battle RR is fighting right now. Kid deserves the chance, IME, and we need him on the field.
But the mellow drama is unreal.
I just hope it's all worth it in the end - for all parties.
Pre-madonnas and mellow dramas seem to go hand in hand
it's Prima Donna.
EDIT: I see what you did there!
for giving me what I deserve.
Are those like the Lady Gaga's of the world?
That's a post-madonna.
You're thinking Marilyn Monroe there.
I just hope Dorsey isn't taking this opportunity for granite. Because, for all intensive purposes, this may be his best shot at an elite education.
but what if he were taking it for quartz?
He seems like a gneiss kid.
I hope he gets in. If he doesnt, well be left thinking what could of been.
Irregardless, I hope everything turns out good for him.
Agreed. It's crazy how mellow this drama is. I feel like I ate a whole bottle of muscle relaxants.
That's what I say. Or what I should of said.
You're right. I hope the parties are OK.
I kind of always thought that kids from a past that required them to bust their ass to achieve something tend to improve as students/humans as they age. Especially with the support structure Demar would have around the football team I don't see the University being able to say no to a kid that has, apparently, worked his tail off to qualify.
That said, cue Freep article on RR fighting for kids that are bad for the University.
I agree with your point. I think it is hypocritical of a university that has forced affirmative action on admissions processes for all the wrong reasons, then when they get a chance to actually do what AA intends they balk. Apparently UM is only looking for pictures of diversity in brochures and racial statistics, but when actually getting the chance to open social/economical/educational doors to diversity its too big a risk. What a bunch of bull.
Regardless, as stated in your point I think that DD has improved his life in the effort to make it in and hopefully he carries that with him wherever he ends up.
Open up social/economical/educational doors? Wait, are you advocating that
Multiple posters who claim experience in college admissions offices have posted that it's most likely that they are waiting for official grade reports so they can make a correct and justified decision?
Why is everyone assuming the University of Michigan admittance office has said no and RR is there on his knees begging them to reconsider?
Given the present media environment around Michigan football lately, I hope they go through all documents with a fine toothed comb and wait for the ditto snail mail copies of every document with all stamps and seals attached.
seems like there is still plenty of time before fall/summer practive starts up for freshman attending this fall semester
I'm not suggesting UM do anything. I'm simply stating that after hearing Mary Sue and tens to hundreds of UM students talking down to me, telling me how privileged I am, and handing me anti-prop2 fliers, I find interesting parallels in what they were preaching then to what they are denying now. I honestly don't care either way. There is definitely an argument to be made for both. However, if it is UM admissions that is pulling the "we're better than that" card (as is the current conjecture seems to point to), I think it is a little hypocritical of obvious university positions in the past. That is all.
to handle this situation without "straining ties" with the University.
Unless he's not the one doing the straining. Fighting for a kid he's extended a scholarship offer to is part of his job. There are people that should be backing him in this situation, and if they aren't, I'd say they're probably the ones straining the ties.
Everybody knows there is affirmative action for football players. I don't understand why they draw the line here. Lots of guys on that team could not have cleared admissions but for their athletic ability. How come we aren't worried about our academic reputation with them?
There were a number of articles feigning outrage over the fact that Michigan would recruit such a thug-like, low-character football player to make the Admissions Dept. take a closer look. Those articles were all crap, but this is now more of a public matter than other recruits. The Admissions Department is citing other factors (run-ins with law) as their reason for the delay, but it looks like they are trying to protect the "Michigan Image" now. If DD wasn't front page news, he would be in by now. That's a fact.
The problem for admissions is they knew about those "run-ins" before he was ever recruited or subsequently committed. Nothing I have read says that DD has been in any further trouble since signing day so if his academics are in order and he hasn't been in trouble, why is he not in yet?
If those things turn out to be fact (not getting in trouble and being academically eligible) and he is refused admission, I can't help but think this is going to impact future recruiting for UM. Why would recruits committ to an institution that will accept a letter of intent, only to have their admission denied in the summer? This is F*ing insane to me.
Edit* Also, many people on the board in the past have voiced their anger about recruits who commit and then decommit and go elsewhere. This, IMHE, is far worse than an 18 year old changing his mind as to what University he wants to attend.
None of those "run-ins with the law" have led to a single conviction for a single crime. I used to work in admissions and this is nothing new. Athletes are given the benefit of the doubt every time, hell Kevin Grady was allowed to stay in the school AND on the team after getting a DUI.
that there may still be hope that Dorsey gets accepted. This is the most positive report in a while.
West Virginia would have accepted Dorsey in a second. In my opinion, you can't expect Rodriguez to deliver similar results on a bigger stage if you can't get his players, especially a kid like this, into school. C'mon administration, help us all out.
okay, i want to see dorsey admitted, too, because i think we owe the kid. let's be clear, though: "west virginia would do it" is never a legitimate argument for anything. ever.
But what if your cousin is really, REALLY hot?
I thought "Hit it and Quit it" was the rule regardless of state. No?
Most people would agree that Michigan can draw in as-talented (If not more talented) players without spotty backgrounds, because it's Michigan. Charles Woodson and Desmond Howard off the top of my head.
Exactly what point is the admissions department is trying to prove? That our school is so much better than everyone else?
I would guess that USC and Texas(both academically comparable to Michigan) have admitted recruits with sub-standard grades/scores.
If he has passed the NCAA clearinghouse requirement, let him in.
The whole thing is ridiculous. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
"Exactly what point is the admissions department is trying to prove? That our school is so much better than everyone else?"
Yes, it is. This whole thing is a big crock of shit; we already lower our standards for athletes so why not let him in if he met NCAA requirements? If we want to be a national power again, we need to let borderline guys like Dorsey in.
I'm sorry, I just can't get behind the "we have to be just like everyone else" argument.
We're Michigan. I don't understand at what point we decided we shouldn't act like the Leaders and Best anymore.
...when I'd have had doubts about the recruitment of a Demar Dorsey.
Now, I want Dorsey, in particular, admitted, as a statement. A statement that the Free Press and other media will not act as an admissions department for our football program. I want there to be a successful, redemptive Demar Dorsey story. So that we can distiguish ourselves from certain other thug environments who shall remain nameless. And so that we have a story to shove down the throats of Drew Sharp and Mick McCabe.
the Leaders and Best since black people started playing d1 football. Null and void.
How are you posting on this message board from 1957?
Forgive my ignorance but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what your meaning is there.
I think what he was trying to say is that considering we have only won a share of one national championship in the past 60+ years, it doesn't make any sense to suggest that we can win at the highest levels while simultaneously having far different admission standards than our competition, especially when no other school has been able to do it.
I hope the members of the admissions office are not as high and mighty as you are.
Keep in mind is that it wouldn't just end with him being admitted - they have to make sure he has a high probability of succeeding at Michigan. If he comes in and fails academically, or something else happens, we will have been worse off than if he were never admitted. Like everyone else here I want him to come to Michigan and succeed but they may be doing the prudent thing in taking their time and making sure.
I agree with what you said about the need for caution before admitting Dorsey but at some point they need to make a concrete decision. If they continue to delay it sends the wrong message to Dorsey that yes you are a problem and we don't have much confidence in your ability to be successful at Michigan. Then if things go sour it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
I agree. I wasn't trying to be negative - just looking for the positive should it not happen. Obviously there is a battle going on over this - hopefully it gets resolved fast and he plays for Michigan.
To me there would be three likely scenarios that could play out:
1) He comes to university and plays for the UM fottball team. Somewhere during that time he finds that the academics are too difficult and drops out and we are down one scholarship player (this HAS happened before).
2) He comes to UM and plays on the football team. Once here it becomes clear to him that in order to realize his dream of becoming a pro football player academics need to take a higher priority. He takes advantage of the multitude of resources UM has to offer him in terms of tudors, study groups etc and finds he is much more capable academically than he ever gave himself credit for and plays four years in good academic standing for the UofM Wolverines.
3) We don't let him in and are still down a scholarship player. He moves on and scenario 2 plays out at another institution.
What scenario do you have in mind where letting a kid who is academically eligible in to have a chance to play football and prove himself is a bad idea?
Your 1) is putting a somewhat rosy face on the academic failure scenario. In reality he doesn't just drop out and walk quietly away. More likely there is some period where the academics become an issue, possibly a midseason suspension, friction with the coaching staff etc. Given the attention his recuitment/signing/admission has already received there is then a new flood of negative press from the likes of the freep as well as the MSM.
Not saying this will happen but you asked for the scenario under which we are better off for not admitting him in the first place. This is it and it is one that should be avoided at all costs.
Not saying any of it is right - just the way it is.
So we should avoid, at all cost no less, giving a kid a chance to succeed? Because there is a chance he will not?
If we gave him a chance and he failed, he wouldn't be the first UM football player to do so. Making decisions because of the negative press that may come from it is insane because the MSM has proven (In Detroit anyway) that it doesn't matter how many positive things we do, they will only focus on the negative.
I just don't see your reasoning as cause for not admitting him. Many of the other football players are in the same boat academically and we took chances on them.
You are leaping to some pretty wild conclusions. Where did I say:
"...we should avoid, at all costs, giving a chance to succeed..." ?
How do you get to there from what I actually said, which was this:
"Like everyone else here I want him to come to Michigan and succeed but they may be doing the prudent thing in taking their time and making sure."
I am all for a little give and take here but please try to be reasonable and address what was actually said
quoting yourself and excluding the part that I was responding to.....
You proposed a scenario that we gave DD a chance and he flunked out and said that it should be "avoided at all cost".
My point is you can't "avoid that scenario at all costs" with any recruit. When you give a recruit a chance, there is always a chance that scenario plays out.
If you can't remember what you said (even after rereading it) I don't know what I can do for you. You made the statement that DD coming to AA and flunking out (and all that goes with that) should be avoided at all costs.
The only way to do that is to not admit him. Which is absolutely the wrong decision here IMHE.
Okay, yes and you misrepresenting the gist of what I said was wrong. The point is that this particular situation and recruit are different from others, like it or not.
Enough, if you have to feel you are right then leave it at that.
I don't need to feel I am right, I just presented my opinion. I am searching to find a reason as to why all this is happening and hoping someone can enlighten me.
Unfortunately the responses I have received haven't seemed to be reasonable. This is why I continue to post, hoping someone can offer something concrete or at least a plausable reason for what is going on.
On a side note, why is this recruit different from all the rest?
Please, enough. The reason I answered back was you took one phrase out of context to imply that I said we should avoid admitting him under any circumstances. I did not say that.
I have tried to explain why I feel the administration is hesitating but obviously failed. The stakes are high given the recent spate of negative publicity. I am sorry if you do not accept that answer but I do believe that is their motivation. That and the reports of this recruit's brushes with the law are what make this situation different. You may not approve or think it is fair or right but it is reality and bashing/negging me because you don't like it won't help.
I have not negged you once for any comment you made. I am not a child, I am 36 and a practicing Cardiologist. I can handle someone disagreeing with my opinion without hitting a down vote. Just so you know, it isn't me negging you.
And it's not just what's about good for U-M.
If he has to transfer, then he he has to sit out for a year. I don't think that's a great outcome for him.
I have no doubt the coaches, and others, are waging a furious PR campaign internally for Dorsey. Notice that some anonymous source contacted both Birkett and Changelis to volunteer two talking points:
1. He's cleared with the NCAA -- it's a UM hold-up
2. He may go to Florida State!
The source could be from Dorsey's camp in Florida. But the threat of Florida State seems more like someone in AA trying to spur action from the University. I imagine that Dorsey's confidantes would be irritated if he can't go to Michigan, but would be ok with Florida State. Those talking points seem aimed more at directing negative attention to Michigan's unusually stingy stance toward Dorsey. And that aligns more with the interests of someone who wants to see Dorsey get admitted and put on the greatest helmet in the world.
- it's just like the Myron Rolle story all over again. UM admissions has been warned.
I wonder if RichRod "ran this up the flagpole" before he actively pursued Dorsey. I hope so.
One of my few concerns with RichRod has been how he handles administrivia like this (and the associated politics). If it turns out that he made his move without knowing everything he could about admissions details, it will look bad for him. We'll have Freep articles and all that.
this was signed off on by DB, admissions, etc... Admissions changed the rules for DD after they agreed to accept his letter of intent. That's the big uproar.
What is the process for an athlete, in regards to admissions, when it comes to signing an LOI? Does the admissions department give a brief overview of the athlete's qualifications and assure the coach/recruiter that the athlete would be admitted (assuming that they meet the minimum NCAA requirements)?
My impression is that it's commonly accepted here that Dorsey was given a thumbs up by someone in admissions in order to sign an LOI back on signing day. I haven't seen many details of how that process actually works, so I would appreciate it if you (or anyone else) would fill me in.
The extent of my knowledge would be Brian's comment that Rodriguez reached out to a provost and got a sign-off, but I'm not entirely sure what that means and how much weight that would hold when it comes time for the official application review.
After Feagin, it had to have been signed off above Rich. I can't imagine they didn't put a vetting process in place.
Then again they put a CARA form process in place, and football administration di follow that policy for a year.
But after the crap he took for Feagin, wouldn't you ask the boss to sign off first? (It was probably Bill Martin who singed off.)
rule for an admissions floor (consisting of a combo of GPA & ACT)? Has this rule never been broken?
If so, am I to believe that a significant doner, (e.g. Stephen Ross who donated >$100 million to Michigan) couldn't get his grandkid in, if he/ she were under this threshold?
In a previous thread, an MGoPoster described how at his school (he's in admissions in another university), there is a certain number of recruits that the university will admit that would not be admitted on their academic prowess (as long as they still meet some other, much lower, standard). So, if RR and the football team has not used up all these scholarships admits, it shouldn't be a problem. If he has, then it's an uphill battle.
I don't have time to search for that post or that poster, maybe someone else can cite him or correct me if I'm wrong.
it doesn't mean they'll take anyone. This is true at every school including Ivy Leagues. They'll admit someone with grades that are lesser than what the normal student at that school would have but most schools still have some kind of floor for what they expect. Our floor (as well as schools like ND, Northwestern, most of the Big Ten) is higher than places like West Virginia because the caliber of students that the athletes have to compete against in classes is higher than those other schools as well (lets face it WVU and Cincy aren't exactly reknowned institutes of higher learning). Whats the point of letting this kid in if he fails out in a year. This isn't like basketball where he can go pro after one year of barely going to college courses.
The point to me is, no one can sit here and tell me (or anyone else) with any degree of certainty whether DD will succeed or not at UM. The point is giving the kid a chance after he met all the criteria the UM staff told him to meet and not pulling the plug for something you knew about before he ever signed a LOI.
I can't help but wonder if the few who seem to be OK with UM acting in this manner would be as understanding if they were in this situation. Would they applaud UM for having integrity? Would they say "It's actually a good thing because I may have flunked out anyway"?
I can't think of a reasonable arguement for UM to not admit DD if the story is as I understand it.
The important question is not whether DD will succeed at Michigan. The answer to that question is plainly unknowable. Instead, the important question is: how likely is it that DD will succeed at Michigan? The answer to that question IS known (with a good degree of certainty, no less) by the admissions office. If they think it is very unlikely DD would be successful at Michigan, they may decline to admit him.
I think what you may be failing to realize is that UM admissions has been waiting until the very end to see all of DD's academic numbers. The football program probably told DD to bust his hump and do his absolute best in the classroom. If DD's absolute best wasn't all that great, which UM admissions could not have found out until now, when his final grades came out, then the university may be doing the right thing by denying him.
You didn't properly spell renowned in a sentence that was designed to mock the academic prowess of other schools.
Well you didn't respond to the right post!
/sarcasm, but true.
I did actually, look at the left-hand alignment of my box. It's aligned as a response to JBA above your post. Not that anybody is looking at this 2 days after the fact.
Believe it or not, but U-M puts an unusually high wall between fundraising and admissions. Hell, development officers aren't even ALLOWED to talk to admissions except through very specific, circuitous channels, and that is only to get a status update on someone's application.
Being the child of a big-name donor can help you get into the dorm you want or other perks, but I have seen a lot of angry rich donors whose kids or grandkids didn't get into U-M. I am sure in a lot of those cases the fundraising staff would LOVE to have gotten their kid into the school, but U-M admissions takes their job incredibly seriously, moreso than most other universities.
They try to close their ears to everything outside of the kid's application, which is why this is being held up so much. They go out of their way NOT to care who a kid's daddy is or what sport a kid can play. Whether that is good or bad is debatable, but it is the culture at U-M.
Source: I work in development (fundraising) at U-M.
You work in admissions? Can you do us all a favor and admit Dorsey so we can go back to speculating about super confernces.
So yea, I am on the OTHER side of that wall. Sorry, can't help us there.
Before the Supreme Court struck down the undergrad admissions process in the affirmative action case, the system was that you needed 100 points. You could get 80 from grades, I think 12 from test scores, and the rest from a variety of sources (activities, leadership, minority status, being from an underrepresented michigan county, essay rating, etc). One of special rules worth 20 points was being recommended by the Provost.
So the provost couldn't exactly get someone in with no questions asked, but if you couldn't get to 80 points on your merits then I guess even the Provost couldn't help you. 80 points wasn't terribly hard.
Of course the system now is totally different, but I'd be surprised if the Provost doesn't still have some way to influence the process.
Is it fair to say that many previous athletes could get into UM with a 2.5 or 2.6 GPA and an 18 on the ACT?
many other recruits weren't front page news at signing day. This isn't about DD's grades as much is it's about his "checkered" past.
OK -- this seems like one of those cases where escalation up to MSC via Brandon, and then down to admissions for a quick (hopefully positive, but at least fair and well explained) decision gets announced. Does the University not see how embarassing this is?
Maybe the admissions department saw the Under Armor game and thought DD might be mentally insane. Someone just needs to explain to these Admissions types - that's how youngin's do nowdays.
I might be way way out in left field on this one, but part of me wonders if UM admissions, seeing the shitstorm that just befell our compliance department, is just suddenly taking a hard line on Dorsey to avoid any more negative press. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that there is anything untoward about Dorsey's recruitment or the lobbying to get him admitted by RR, but I have to think UM would be more likely to let Dorsey in with less than stellar grades/scores if they aren't literally just coming off announcing self-imposed sanctions. Again, this is a judgement call by UM admissions, and I tend to agree with the comment about their hypocrisy in this matter, but I think they might be looking to avoid even the slightest action that would be cause for further hand-wringing and hit-jobs by the press. I think this is completely the wrong attitude if this is at all correct, and it would be a shame if they let the NCAA penalty situation affect the decision here, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Look up 'Demar Dorsey' and 'qualify' on the interweb. You may run across an article or two that are considered 'less than exceptional press.' You aren't even in the city in which the stadium is located.
I tend to think if they are taking a hard line here, it actually will create more negative press. If DD passes the NCAA clearinghouse and UM admissions accepts him in short order, then that's the end of it. You might get about one Freep article, but that's it. If they continue to take a hard line and drag it out, it becomes a bigger story. (See: how big it already is, at least to us.)
I didn't think of it that way, but you're right, it probably gives them even more reason to slam UM after already having gone after DD (and UM for daring to recruit him) from every angle imaginable. Frankly, the whole thing is just exhaustingly frustrating for anyone who closely follows recruiting. It's been a hot button from the beginning, really for no good reason, and my guess is the piling on of articles will continue no matter the outcome. Taking a wild guess as to UM admission's motivations and influences was probably a fools errand, but I was just thinking out loud more than anything.
TomVH is currently wiretapping the Admissions Dept. main line to get the latest information.
Updates to follow.
IMO it's kind of terrible to offer a kid a scholarship, have him accept it, and then say "SIKE!" at the end when he actually has the grades to make it through the NCAA. They had an agreement (of sorts), man.
A scholarship offer should not be revocable because he can rely on it to his detriment. During this time he could've been checking out other schools, making visits, etc. and now it's reaaally late in the process and he's screwed.
If the reason Dorsey has not be accepted is due to circumstances the admissions office already knew about this does not make any sense. If I was in Dorsey's position I would assume that as long as I met the Clearinghouse requirements I would be admitted. I hope everyone can get on the same page and resolve this issue.
Against my better judgment, I just read some of the comments on that article, and I'll be damned if my IQ didn't just go down by about 40 points. What a bunch of mouthbreathing idiots.
I have long since stopped bothering to look at any of "sports nation's" comments on any articles posted on espn.com for the same reason. I am also tempted at times, but then I remember what a waste of time it is. Any reasonable voices that post comments on there are drowned out by a unending chorus of idiots.
who is going to make the "Free Demar Dorsey" t-shirt?
I believe this should be the student t-shirt this year.
that better illustrates Rodriguez's struggle at Michigan thus far. M fans and alumni want wins, baby, wins. Under Carr, "what the hell is with this conservative offense" and "join the 21st Century why don't you." Alright, Michigan brings in a coach that bleeds offensive innovation. The reaction, "what is with this bizzare looking offense, people running all over, handing off there and there, just run a regular offense!!" they scream.
From the fans to the players, i.e. the Freep Jihad, a coach comes in pushes them, works them hard, a coach that says "Hey, 8-4 and 9-3 is really not good enough, the culture has to change." He gets blasted by some of those players, the local media, the NCAA, a lot of Michigan "fans."
Now he lands a stud, and Michigan's athletic department is not going to let him in? Right now? On the brink of maybe one of the most important seasons in the history of the program? This issue was going to come up at some point. The bigtime football powers do not have the same academic standards as Michigan. So, is Michigan going to be Notre Dame, or is Michigan going to compete. If your answer is that our standards are higher and they should remain higher, don't expect Michigan to compete for Big Ten or National titles. You have to have the talent to do it.
I really don't know if RR is going to be able to win this fight. Sometimes the person that brings change in not the one that gets to stick around to enjoy it. And I am not sure that all Michigan fans/alumni really want the changes that are required to take place.
You ask the key question. Do we want to compete at the highest levels in football or do we want to tell ourselves we're still better than everyone else even when we lose like Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, and recently Notre Dame? Personally, I'm in favor of actually competing in football. All the talk about being "The Leaders and Best" doesn't mean shit if you don't have the athletes to compete at the highest level and that requires having vastly different admissions standards for athletes than you do for the regular student population, especially at a school like UM. When Notre Dame recruited marginal high school students like Rice and Zorich, they won a national championship and were a perennial top 10 team (not to mention those guys turned out to be pretty quality representatives of the school). Once they stopped admitting those guys they went sixteen seasons (and counting) without winning a bowl game played in the continental United States.
The holier than thou attitude about academics and football is always frustrating, but it has zero place in this instance. If Dorsey is eligible by NCAA standards, he deserves to be admitted to Michigan at this point. Even still, I fail to see how 85 scholarship football players (many of whom are not borderline admission cases) are going to have any negative impact on the academic reputation of a school with a total enrollment of over 40,000 students. A school like USC has shot up the academic rankings in recent years at the same time that their football program had a major resurgence. The success of Duke basketball probably draws a large number of students deciding between similarly ranked academic schools. Michigan's football program has long been the greatest ambassador for the University itself because they have won games, not because they had a higher team GPA than their opponents.
I want to say that there was a study done in the early 90's (maybe by Duke) that stated the reigning NC in basketball sees a up tick in applications by 25% - 30% the year after they win it all. I would imagine the same is true in football and that the overall academic reputation of the school increases as a result.
by leaving Ann Arbor's airspace vulnerable to outside intruders, the admissions department has clearly shown what side of our children's future they are on.
restore the No Fly Zone - for the children *cue soft piano music*
it's pretty crapy for michigan to be throwing this kid around at this point .. it's one thing just to say No before his LOI and not to recruit him but at this point this is his life too .. He changed over to come to michigan for a reason because someone told him he would get in and be able to play .. He isn't just an athlete, and i feel kinda bad for him right now because he probably feels like they are pulling the carpet right from under his feet .. I just hope from now on we are very strait forward and if the are even boarder line we don't offer because no one should have to go through all this crap ..
and if Dorsey's done nothing between now and his recruitment to embarrass himself or Michigan, they need to admit him ASAP.
Not because he's one of the biggest defensive recruits that Michigan has signed in the last 10 years.
Not because dumping him would send a signal to the local rags that THEY are now the new admissions department.
Not because he could probably come in and contribute immediately at a position of need.
But because Michigan had 7 coaches fly down to Florida, sit in his living room, look him in the eye and ask him to be a part of our team. We recruited him, accepted his LOI and he committed to us. If he did his part, busted his ass, and is academically qualified, then Michigan needs to do their part and honor the LOI.
If they don't, Rodriguez and his staff, as long as they're at Michigan, will have to face this every time they sit down with the family of a young man considering signing with us.
If your son had a checkered past, or marginal grades, would you want him treated the way Demar was by the news media?
Even if my son didn't have a checkered past, but he had marginal grades and was a football stud, I certainly would not take our coaching staff at their word if this come to pass the way it is being reported.
or his staff. I was saying that they'll have to deal with this mess every time they recruit now.
I don't blame him for what's happened. I think he's sick to his stomach over Dorsey qualifying, but not being admitted; and he's probably wondering if it really was that bad at WVU after the last two years here...
Couldn't Dave Brandon step in? How could Admissions not then be persuaded?
Could DB give them free pizzas??
I happen to have a friend in the admissions office but they won't spill any of the beans about what is currently transpiring. I will work diligently to extract some info and if I do you all will be the first to know.
Also, I'm pretty sure perry the platypus is on the job as well.
(You can call him Agent P)
This whole thread is infuriating me but I give you a plus 1 for the Phineas and Ferb reference.
Why infuriating? Christ people, we've SEEN what the press can do to a story. We've seen what gets left out, twisted, ignored, played up, and so on.
So why oh why do we assume that a press story is giving us the whole unvarnished truth on Dorsey? On his recruitment? On his application? On how U-M has handled it?
You gotta ask some hard questions, and most of the "hard questions" I've seen have been "Okay, why did U-M f*ck this up so bad?" We seem pretty quick to believe that U-M is wrong, dishonest, hypocritical, bureaucratic, etc.
Okay, admittedly, we're all those things sometimes. But I'm not so sure we were on this one. I sure as heck am not taking a reporter's word for it. Nor Dorsey's coach.
Id recommend a bottle of tequila or gentleman jack.
Or just some good ol' sodium pentathol..
And make sure to bring along a laptop/iphone/bb/way to tell us
... need to find out what's going on, You don't really want to know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone, keep your dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo, we can dance and sing
When it's said and done, we haven't told you a thing
We all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down