I will never click on a link for that site ever. Fk the freep and the horse (controversy) they rode in on.
spoiler alert: i linked this
I will never click on a link for that site ever. Fk the freep and the horse (controversy) they rode in on.
Agree 100 %. That being said I love Mitch, so this stinks not being able to read the rest of the article.
because you're mad at a newspaper? Seems rather self-defeating, but this is America.
You realize the OP linked to the print version of the story. So there is no ad revenue associated with reading the rest of the article.
Gremlin has it right - if you are going to benefit from a product generated by the Freep, you should pay for it with at least a click. Otherwise, you should not read it at all. Clicking on the print version is just free riding.
I might feel guilty about that, but I won't given the Freep's editorial stance toward our football program.
this line "People said, "Why don't you run the same system that they're used to (at first)?" I said, "Offensively, they haven't played in any system, because they haven't played."....
in 2008 i tried to explain this very point to people when they would bitch about how bad they were, and no one cared to listen... the uninformed people just wanted to believe that michigan shouldn't have issues like that, and no matter who they put out on the field would win 8 games...
I agree 1000%. However, while I know we shouldn't play this game, I can't help but wonder how things shake out if RR took over in the '07 season. Particularly i'm curious to see what happens at the QB position. Does Chad Henne stay? (I think the answer is yes.) But, I don't see RR recruiting a guy like Henne. How does this offense perform with that personnel? Offensive line? No judgments, just simply curious.
It's nice to finally have a guy that's a burner and could torch the D like what has happened to us in the past. At the same time, guys like Chad Henne are special, and to think we could lose out on players like him going forward is a little unsettling; but, you bring up a good point, the players that we'd potentially be getting going forward, also make it a lot easier to accept.
...but not all together as one, does that constitute unfair use of the article? ;-P
Goddamn it, I like Rich Rod. I have yet to walk away from hearing/reading him speak and think he was anything other than a hellova good guy. Props to Albom for asking good questions, and props to the Freep for running an article that implicitly attacks the Freep's poor coverage.
albom knows RR has turned the corner, and hence albom is now going to play "the good guy" reporter who pitches the "other side" of the story on RR. smart guy, albom. get on the bandwagon now! get access to RR and the program. and watch your buddies (who punch dolphins) get left behind trying to find some stories to write when the season goes well.
Interesting interview. Also noticed on the bio piece (end of the print version) that they seemingly attempt to highights his ties to Michigan. Mentions his hometown as "5 miles from Fielding Yots's birthplace" and re. college "played for Don Nehlan, an assistant coach under Bo". I also got the sense that there is some attempt at repairing some of the relationship with the Freep.
info always seemed to disappear in the discussions about RichRod being an "outsider." Early on I got the impression that would have been one of the reasons Rodriguez was so excited about coming to Michigan. Bo came from Woody, not from Michigan, but then Nehlan came from Bo and infected Rod with affection for all things maize & blue. Plausible?
So not a big deal that this article highlights the connection, but that most others let it slip into shredder. You know, keep out the facts that might disprove your hypothesis. Or agenda.
Not only is it plausible, it's obviously the case.
Anyone who remembers Rich's introductory press conference will remember the moment he said "Don Nehlen had a saying... 'those who stay will be champions'" and was subsequently told that it came from Bo. And Don Nehlen came out at the same time saying he'd told RR to go to Michigan because it was a special place.
Clearly the dude is a part of the greater Bo/Woody coaching tree, regardless of what offense he runs.
I had the same reaction. Was surprised to see he even had the interview. Albom knows good things are coming and wants "in".
Albom has been largely silent throughout the jihad. Is this why he was given access for the interview? I can't imagine Rosenberg et. al. getting it. Also, why wasn't Angelique or Wojo called to do the interview? It's not like Albom is known for doing at length interviews in print. He usually spins his talks into... well, Mateen Cleeves type stories. Seems like Rodriguez and the AD want the exposure of Albom for this article.
Also, is it just me, or does Rodriguez's talk about the empty cupboard in 2008 sting a little less than it has in the past? Less controversial and more matter of fact. Not that I've ever disagreed on this point, but the pill seems a bit easier to take now that Lloyd is officially retired from the program. Maybe time heals all wounds.
Seems like Rodriguez and the AD want the exposure of Albom for this article.
Exactly. An Albom interview gets far more attention, both in its placement within the paper, and by other media types around the nation, than interviews with any of the others. This is an attempt by RR and the AD to change the media narrative surrounding his tenure here. It's a smart move to give the interview to Albom, and to the freep. Albom carries a lot of weight there.
And several of the very calculated statements made by the Athletic Dept lately make me feel fairly certain that they fully intend to keep RR around after this year, no matter what. Barring 3-9 of course.
This article is a break for the program, a self-made break to some extent...It seems very likely to me that Michigan will be 6-6 at the end of this year but obviously on the upswing. My guess is that Brandon knows this and that he will have no intention of firing Coach Rod in that instance.
I'm starting to fall into this camp as well. Brandon is very pro-Michigan Man. It would be unbecoming of a Michigan Man to not give a Michigan coach enough time to succeed. And due to the magnitude of the change that came with the RR hire, 3 years is not enough time to succeed. Three years is at the bottom of what is reasonable for a coaching change when the magnitude of the change is small. And the huge magnitude of this coaching change is on Martin (and is symbolically tied into the Michigan institution), not RR. Thus, the Michigan administration must honor what it enacted by hiring RR. It would be poor management to enact such massive change and then cut its stabilizing time short. Brandon has to exemplify what it means to be a Michigan Man and be fair to RR. He must get more than 3 years.
This is, of course, barring another 3-9 season, which is outside the realm of what a reasonable Michigan Man should excuse.
I see where you are going and I think you are correct...Albom is reading the tea leaves and sees that it's a good idea to get in before the masses of bandwagon jumpers in the media who will fawn over Denard and Rodriguez when they hang 50 on UConn.
Also in the paper today, predictions.
Writer U-M MSU B10 Champ
Rosenberg 6-6 10-2 OSU
Sharp 6-6 7-5 Iowa
Shelton 5-7 8-4 OSU
Snyder 7-5 7-5 OSU
I mean, I know their schedule is a joke, but when was the last time MSU got to 10 wins?
Saban's last year.
If they beat us, I can see them getting to 9, but that's about it. I see 8-4 as much more realistic. (The schedule is pretty damn easy).
can somebody please make a t-shirt out of these predictions?
i particularly love MSU at 10-2. that is priceless.
I'd buy it.
Where was the enormous improvement in THAT program? Credibility=zero.
(And bye the way, there's a Dos Equis commercial playing in the background while I type this...)
Picking MSU to win 10 games sounds crazy. But this should be Mark Dantonio's deepest and most talented team, and there are two things about it that I love: QB Kirk Cousins and the schedule. With Notre Dame coming to East Lansing, I think MSU will start 4-0. And with Ohio State off the schedule, I like the Spartans to win six Big Ten Games...
Goes without saying, we REALLY need to beat MSU this year, for a variety of reasons.
...because it *is* crazy.
FWIW, punching dolphins is also crazy.
Who the hell is Shelton and how does he hate us more than the other 3 guys? I didn't even know that was possible.
I'm just going to leave the whole 10-2 thing alone.
Another Sparty grad and all that. Kinda Jemele Hill, but not quite as snarky. But alway ready to downgrade us.
With so many player departures in the preseason, the Wolverines will struggle because of their lack of depth at key positions. Michigan could have at least three wins before the Oct. 23 bye, but a tough final stretch that includes games against Wisconsin, at Penn State and at Ohio State will put U-M one game short of bowl eligibility.
So, um, yeah...
They're just grabbing at straws so they can be "right" if something bad happens. They will never follow-up when they turn out be wrong.
Best to ignore them.
I am one of the listen-very-closely-to-Rich-and-what-he-says-between-the-lines-about-the-upcoming-season crowd. To hear him answer:
[Failure would be] If we're not in the conversation as far as competing for a Big Ten championship and if we're not playing top 25 football by the end of the year.
Phew. OK. Still young, but young and experienced. Let's see it in action!
I logged in just to agree with you. I noticed that comment and I was happy to hear it from someone who knows about the team more than anyone else. I don't think he would throw it out there if he wasn't confident in it. Otherwise, I would just be another spike to hoist him on if the team doesn't do it.
He's been so down on the team the past two years. Saying optimistic things, but really focusing on lowering expectations. I'm very stoked to see what we do in a year when he seems to believe we could have big success.
Maize, i thought the same thing. I love the expectations he is setting for the team. The heck with 7-5 - top 25 and be in conversation for Big Ten title. I think that is the right approach. Remind them of what they are capable of accomplishing, not what they can barely achieve. That is Michigan Football.
I certainly hope Coach Rod sees these goals as attainable this year, but doesn't everyone (coaches, players etc.) say competing for a Big Ten Championship is a goal every year? I want to emphasize that I hope you all are correct, and this is a prediction specific to this season. But I think it could easily be interpreted as these are what the normal expectations are. I guess the real question for Coach Rod is were the last two seasons a failure or did he have lower expectations because of the decimated defense, inexperience etc?
Last year he would say stuff like while our objective is always the Big Ten title, we'll be good enough to win it when we have enough guys we can win with ... or we'd be disappointed if we don't make a bowl game, but ....
Unless Mitch cut the disclaimer or moved it (like the know we're good when we can play badly and win, and we're not there).
But the vibes out of Rich this year are much less pained statement then disclaimer, and more "I think I can" confident. This comment is the latest that gives me hope.
He couldn't full Brandon by saying they expect to win a National Title. I got the meaning that "playing like a Top 25 team" didn't mean they had to be in the Top 25, but that they improve as the year goes on and are developing and playing their best football at the end of the year. Which, after the last two years, would be a victory all it's own. But I didn't take that to mean he was expecting a Top 25 team, even if he's always shooting for it, and more.
We always hear about poll voters agonizing over whether their votes are based on "Where is this team right now?" or is it for a body of work during the season. I think RR is saying he wants to be a top 25 at that point in time despite the polls representing a body of work for each team, for the most part. Great launching pad for next year.
To be playing your best ball at the end of the season. Something we actually haven't seen for awhile....but Bo's teams usually did it like clockwork. Often a much better team in November than September.
That is all.
get the ship straightened out. And when he does, we can all say "See, I told you..."
I heard on the radio that Mitch Albom said that the problem with the media is that the media is not willing to call out its own members when they mess up. Part of me wonders if Albom believes that Mark "I can't remember how many of the 6 players I interviewed were still on the team" Rosenberg did a poor job of journalism attacking Rodriguez.
out over his treatment of Brian and MGoBlog? Don't be fooled. They are all cut from the same cloth. MA may not have written much, but he had plenty to say on the radio. If he seems to be changing his tune it is for his benefit, not RR's, Michigan's or ours.
Good to see this sort of exchange in a major paper. Liable to rile the haters up even more. Now their cover story will be that "everything" Rich says is lies.
Otherwise, Michigan was headed for a tough year and 2008 and it isn't his fault for "running the program into the ground". That isn't a workable cover story for them or the fans of other teams who think this program is finished.
Nate, glad to you're finally in a place where people talk sense. The Free Press blogs have to many haters and here you can talk about things and get logical answers.
You said it. This blog is intense. The people know their stuff. My biggest issue on there came to be that so few people would look beyond Detroit papers and Detroit talk radio to get any information.
In the day and age of the internet with all the access that is out there to knowledge, that is the epitome of lazy and intellectual dishonesty. It was those people who do most of the posting, with a few exceptions.
My brain was atrophying.
That interview sounds pretty unfiltered to me. Very interesting... plenty for both sides, I suppose, depending on how you read it.
... You might as well go ahead and put your stuff in and teach it."
Always my response to those who complain that he didn't change his system to suit the personnel he inherited.
about a girlfriend in undergrad.
"You might as well go ahead and put YOUR stuff IN and teach it." ???
Does she have an array of toys that...ahem...strap on...?
M: Was that an assumption you now regret?
R: Well, I think, the class that graduated ... Chad Henne and Mike Hart and Shawn Crable ... that class ... that's a special group. Those kind don't come along very often. And so for me to assume that the guys behind them would have been at that level ... that was a mistake.
I would think that he found out shortly after he arrived what the situation was with the team, and acted accordingly. So was the mistake he is referring to in taking the job?
Given all that he has gone through, it wouldn't surprise me.
I think the mistake was for him to "assume that the guys behind them would have been at that level." Seems pretty straightforward.
to assume there was talent behind the Henne / Hart / everyone else talent level being an outsider, after all this is MICHIGAN football! For those who have been watching Michigan Football over the years should have noticed that very rarely did "back ups" play during several years prior to RR being hired. I remember Bo and MO would substitute players when the game was "in hand" to give them them the experience they needed when it was their turn to be the #1 guy. That didn't seem to happen much under Carr. The hockey equivalent would be to have your 1st line play the whole game, every game. Please don't get me wrong I'm not bashing Carr just pointing out my observations.
Anyhow I think this team is going to surprise us! GO BLUE!
famous for basically telling the other team when he was going to run the ball... lets use the 2007 season as an example... starting WR's were: mario, arrington, and matthews... with this group it was either going to be run or pass and that kept defences on their toes for a few plays... all of a sudden 2 of those 3 WR's would come out and insert JR and clemons... 90% of the time it was a running play... for some odd reason lloyd would barely throw when the back WR's were in the game and D coords picked up on that...
When the H-back shuffled to one side of the field just before the snap . . . one could surmise which direction the play was going.
starting WR's were still in the game it was the wagle play almost every time...
Ha ha! There is an old Navy addage: you get what you inspect, not what you expect. The thing is, if Rich had investigated the roster a little more deeply, and taken the time to talk to WVU before leaving ... I wonder what he would have done?
He still would have come, because his mentor and coach, Don Nehlen, told him that Michigan is a special place. Who better to know than a man who worked at both schools?
Rich was on the outs with West Virginia's AD and staff, and was looking to go somewhere else. A job that he knew had deep meaning opened up. He jumped at the chance.
I doubt that anything major would have changed. WV still would have complained, and people would still whine that the new coach isn't Bo Schembechler or a Bo clone.
This interview makes me feel a lot better about a number of things, including the upcoming season.
I think we win the Big Ten Championship in 2011 and have a nice, tasty BCS bowl waiting for us at the end of it.
"So when they said we over-practiced ... well, did you see our record?"
Those 2 Freep guys hated RR from the start and couldn't wait to try and take him down. I can't wait until the team is an asskicking machine again and RR becomes an institution in A2. Those 2 cockroaches won't say a peep against him with his clout. As for the rats in the athletic department who tried to sabotage him I picture an end of Godfather part 1 montage where the enemies are eliminated(tossed in this case) and all the family business is taken care of.
it is just a quess. no one outside of the program knows anything then what they read. The coaching staff has a postiive attitude about th team for the first itme in three years. I like how Rich Rod has handled this off season and I like the way he is interviewing. I feel that he knows a little more then we do about the season. Lets trust him and GO BLUE!!!
I really wish that people other than Michigan fans would read this kind of information about Rich. They don't want to hear this kind of stuff so they don't take the time to get both sides of the story. I'm sure that the REAL truth is somewhere in between what the good guy is saying and what the bad guys are, but still, the assumptions made about this guy being the spawn of Satan make me furious. It's a shame what he and his family have to deal with just because this team has struggled in the first couple years of the transition to the spread
This is an excellent first step in PR for the coach and the program and looooong overdue!!!!
Great questions, well-formed, honest answers that provide a lot of insight into the reality behind the 8-16 results, in addition to some level of insight into RR as a person.
There will always be anti-RR people, just as there were always anti-Bo people (I knew them, believe me), but this can hopefully get some people who were on the fence thinking in positive terms about the future of the program.
This has David Brandon written all over it.
Also, the mention of RR coming down on Tate for academics and that this would influence his status in terms of playing time is a clear indication of a coach that has his priorities in order.
Agreed. I also believe it's no coincidence this interview appears in the freep on the Sunday before the first kickoff. Just like last years hit piece.
I can't imagine having to bear the cross RR and his family/friends/coaching staff have had to bear over the last 3 years. RR's character is starting to shine through in these articles and pressers.
For whatever reason (maybe it's the season rapidly approaching or that I'm completely fed up with the constant insults from Mediocre State University), this article has elevated my confidence in RR and the program. I like what I'm hearing. I like that people have written us off. I can smell the stench of overconfidence wafting out of East Lansing.
As usual, when the band takes the field next Saturday, I'll be fighting back my emotions.
Let's Go Blue!
In a lot of ways this is the first actual reporting or informational article in the major papers locally telling the story of Michigan football in the last 2 years with any sort of actual explanation. Rodriguez handled it real well. He was truthful without trashing someone we respect but who might have deserved it.
Until now, The Freep, Detroit News and the talk radio clowns for the most part of just worked on assumptions that fed the anti-Rodriguez mindset of the lesser informed. "Why did he need to destroy such a solid program" and "what he does won't work in the Big Ten" were the two fog banks hanging over everything that was written or said. Like there was no plan and Rich was some imcompetant boob or just insane.
There was no investigation or seemingly any follow-up questions to Rodriguez asking him about the direction of this that I saw. Angelique is a pretty good reporter but she seems to steer clear of the global questions about why things went in the direction they did.
Albom finally asked and in a good format.
In that way, the story is groundbreaking. I'd tell anyone totally new to the U of M Football scene to read that first and then come here second, and ignore any of the other stuff written or said in the Detroit media.
They were at best negligent and more likely axe grinding, until this morning's story.
Tsk, tsk, tsk Alert:
I can't believe anyone took the bait and are commenting on the predictions from people who have shown scant ability or inclination to really understand this program. People, people, people. You all are better than this....
Hey if State pulls all that "great talent" together wins 10 on a light schedule, great for them. I am here to tell you that the approach and where this program is going for the next 5 to 20 years is so much more advanced from whatever they think they are doing. I'd consider their march to greatness the pro-Dantonio media has been predicting every year single year, to be little more than really dull viewing.
Let's focus in on the big picture and let those folks up there enjoy themselves. They aren't a factor in where we are heading. Let October 9 do the talking and enjoy the spectable while their passive aggressive coach chirps away.
Oh and Mitch's motivation to write the article? Mostly clicks and money for the paper. Rodriguez era Michigan stories are always the top 5 stories in their paper for views online. Even when we stink, we are more interesting then MSU.
When Mitch is on, he's really fucking on.
He simply has a different tone this year
R: If we're not in the conversation as far as competing for a Big Ten championship and if we're not playing top 25 football by the end of the year.
So are we certain Mitch really even talked to RR?
Just kidding Mitch:)