according to dave birkett, RR said "There's only one school in our league we thought was negative recruiting quite a bit." my money is on osu or msu.
spoiler alert: i linked this
We don't compete with most Big 10 schools for recruits (but for a couple kids here and there), but we do with PSU, OSU, and MSU regularly.
I don't think Tressel needs to be negative... he's at the top. I don't see JoPa running that kind of program
my money is on MSU:
1) If you read between the lines of Gholston's recent statements
2) and more importantly, he's a very angry man with a gigantic in-state chip on his shoulder
i'd say MSU before OSU
It could be the Zooker.
I thought they just sent a bus to Chicago, and picked up whoever had graduated from High School.
I don't have a link for this, but I know that OSU people ("insiders," recruiting watchers, and the like) think that Penn St., particularly Larry Johnson, Sr., tell kids that OSU and Michigan don't care about graduating black athletes.
While at PSU I had several friends that attended HS in that town. Not one of them had anything good to say about the Johnsons. Both of his kids were/are no-class losers and most times that is learned or tolerated at home.
I'd put my money on LJ Sr being the one RR was talking about although MSU wouldn't be a stretch either.
But I've heard that from the Michigan side too. Specifically one O-Lineman who went to PSU and cited that for choosing them over Michigan, and it really pissed Lloyd off.
I'll wager all my mgopoints on Dantonio.
"Raback it" now - Purdue.
No question - Hope is a hopeless coach who uses his players to try and make opposing coaches feel bad. PLUS, they are still bitter over our WR coup...
Plus with the "mild success" they've had over us the past two seasons they must be feeling high and mighty.
+1 for "Raback it", and I agree I wouldn't be shocked at all if Hope neg recruited the shit out of us. We don't recruit against them that often, but there is no doubt they are still pissed about RR's snake oil.
"Raback it" = the new "Guaransheed"
After the Tiller comments and the Hope post-game handshake mele at the Big House this year it has to be Purdue. Luckily we head-to-head against Indiana more often than them.
I had a pleasant moment thinking about the next time M plays Purdue. Gonna be a long long day for one Danny Hope. I hope he enjoys RichRod going for two while up 30 in the 4th.
Rich closed out the interview stating that OSU didn't negative recruit.
Purdue. Hmmmmm. I say yeah. Since the negative recruiting began within the program, by all accounts, the week they played Michigan last year.
Like jtmc33 said, the vest doesn't need to do that. (And as I type this, RR says it's NOT Ohio State.)
Dantonio's soul is clearly consumed with hatred for Michigan, so my money is on him.
HOWEVA: I won't discount Penn State as a slight possibility. It doesn't seem like JoPa's way, but I wouldn't say the same about his assistants.
Penn St. has a culture of being whiny (about refs & the original Big Ten being against them) and self-righteous. JoePa very much feeds into this. They can be a really obnoxious bunch.
Minnesota, the guy is a clown. Also, too risky for MSU to do so in state.
Since Tim Brewster was the Number 1 standup guy for Rich Rodriguez in the wake of the Freep Attack of last August. I have nothing but respect for Tim Brewster.
MSU & too risky? "Risky" is assaulting somebody in front of a security camera.
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No proof, but my guess is Rosenturd. He made a big deal of the feagin story, as well as other bs. He is always out to get rich, or in this case piss him off and make him look like the bad guy.
Birkett does a nice job at A2.com, but he IS an MSU grad. It has to gall him that MSU is winning the criminal scoreboard "battles" much more handily than their best basketball team ever beat Michigan.
Somebody in the liveblog said it was Drew Sharp and Dave Birkett.
RR had a chance to clear names at the end and he cleared OSU. Actually said some nice things about Tressel. It would have been a perfect opportunity to clear the other rival, MSU, as well. He didn't. If you go outside the B10, Corwin Brown neg recruited UM at Notre Dame all the time.
Guys, it's Northwestern. "They say they're the best academic school in the conference? We are! They wouldn't know astrophysics if it was a black hole right in front of their face!"
Might be Danny Hope, with how he has publicly passive-aggressive-ed Rodriguez.
like a boilermaker in here.
Here's to killing Purdue 96 to 3 and having Hopes porn stash fall off his face.
typically i harbor no ill will against B11 teams, (always giddy when tOSU and MS take one in the chin) but this action towards an institution of higher education gets my hammock in a bunch.
Why does your plan for beating Purdue involve them scoring 3?
I would bet the farm on MSU and the cows in that farm on Purdue. Just my two cents.
Either you get two farms but lose all of your cows or get a ton of cows but lose your farm...
I hate to say it, but you're a terrible gambler.
But from the comment I'm betting the OP didn't attend an ag school, so the error is perhaps understandable.
In the end does it really matter who it is? They obviously did not do better in the recruiting trail. Unless of course it is in fact PSU. I mean come on Danturdio did get Gholston, great pick up for him, but he was not able to neg recruit DG from M. Lets look at this logically if you have to neg recruit then that tells me E. Lansing has nothing to offer their recruits other than jail time.
If you would have asked me how to make the name Dantonio into an insult, I never would have been able to come up with a poop joke. Nice Work!
RRod closed out saying it wasn't OSU. We don't really compete with most of the Big 10 for recruits. So who did we potentially lose recruits to? OSU, PSU...and MSU. PSU...I think that they likely won the battles of defensive players fair and square, as they have been LB univ for years. OSU was eliminated. You work out the math.
My first thought was Purdue.
The Gholston stuff sounded like it was moreso fuelled by his HS coach, which technically isn't MSU negative recruiting.
MSU wouldn't surprise me though but my first thought was Purdue.
Lots of hatred brewing down there for Michigan with the suspension/handshake and now Roundtree has become legit, one of our main threats...Rich Rod alluded to the whole stealing recruits thing too in the presser saying if a guy is committed why is he still looking... so it was definitely on his mind.
My money is on Dantonio. The other schools don't really need to run M down. Listen to the comments from Spartan players, Spartan recruits, and high school coaches who feed MSU. It's all very acrimonious.
In that survey of the top-10 recruits from the state, Hankins was asked if OSU bashed Michigan in his visit. I don't have the link, but he said that they didn't say anything negative, but they did show him the clock that has the last time we beat them. All in all, that is pretty mild.
It's gotta be Dantonio.
It has to be Sparty. They are probably talking about our recruits right now!
MSU. No doubt.
Who did we even compete with Purdue for?? Dantonio probably tries to tap Rich Rod's phone he's so obsessed.
I bet it's Purdue. Hope is a dick and RR doesn't like him after that whole OL guy fiasco.
RR also implied that this year we benefited from a school's negative recruiting backfiring on them.
Austin White? Brothers go/went to MSU, they think he's a lock, but he starts showing interest in UM and Dantonio opens his mouth about this and that which turns White off. I think Michigan also went head-to-head with MSU for Rodgers, Black, and possibly some others. I'd put money on MSU with d-bag Hope a close second.
Probably MSU, since it makes the most sense in terms of common recruits. PSU and UM probably recruited a couple of similar players, but the big fish tend to stay away from each other except for big-time recruits (at which point everyone is negging the other guy a bit). MSU, though, would undoubtedly be making a run at most of UM's in-state recruits, so the pressure to knock down UM is far greater.
MSU or Purdue, gotta be 1 of the 2 and neither would shock me. I'm going with MSU, who cares if Purdue neg recruits.
That staff has been openly negative since RR came in late and went after some of there verbals. Then went after some again his second class. We need to be able to say scoreboard again...
As much as we hate OSU, I can't remember the sweater vest every saying anything that was not above board. In victory and defeat, he is always a gentleman, and he takes his share of shit from the not so fine citizens of the state whose name I refuse to speak. Ditto for Joe Pa...he's a legend and deservedly so.
MSU or Purdue? Not a stretch for either school to be negative. Remember that little Purdue thing at mid-field? Dantonio, the warden, ha. Nothing would surprise me.
Not a bad day, not bad at all.
Circumstantial evidence suggests Purdue, but it sure seems like it'd be in Dantonio's character to do it. Did we go head-to-head against Purdue for anyone this year? If not, I'm looking up the road.
But my first thought was Purdue, too. The reasons given for MSU have made it about 50/50 now, though.
While I don't think it's Bielema, I'm surprised no one has blamed the meathead. I don't think it's PSU, OSU, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Northwestern. I'm inclined to not believe that Brewster would do it.
That leaves Purdue with a new coach who was spurned by Michigan or the team that feels it must prove it's better than Michigan in everything. I think Dantonio is better than that despite his second chance giving, and we've already seen what Hope does in post game.
Granted, it could be individual position coaches/coordinators who are doing the negative recruiting, so it could be anyone's guess.
It is MSU for sure. RR has alluded to this a few times.
Iowa or Indiana, because they're the only two teams that haven't been brought up as possibilities yet.
Dantonio's time is coming.
It's got to be State. While I could definitely see it being Hope and his hatred for us I don't think that we really recruit against them that much. Plus Dantonio definitely hates us more.
there is only one team? That could be the dumbest statement I have heard all recruiting cycle.
there's one team that stands out among the big 10 teams, according to RR.
I don't think Dantonio could avoid saying nasty things about Michigan if he tried. I think he has anti-Michigan Tourette's or something.
But Brian pointed out on the radio this morning, we really didn't go head to head with them for any recruits this year. And Rich eliminated OSU. So he thought MSU (seems easy enough) and Minnesota (which a lot of people here discount). I find the PSU assistants thing intriguing too.
on Michigan's part. Roundtree certainly stepped up his game last year - due to his own story. RR was visibly upset in the post game presser - post handshake incident. It bothered him then and I think still bothers him deep down. RR is throwing down the gaunlet. It's Purdue in my opinion - even without the target crossover this recruiting year.
In the end - I don't think it did any/much harm.