This is an absolute joke of a hire. Not only is he less qualified, he brings in a totally different scheme which will run off the single most electrifying athlete to ever play at this damn school. SHAME.
RR Haters: RR < Hoke?
If RR doesn't work out in year four, Hoke STILL comes to Michigan
That's a big "IF" too. Why didn't M go out and spend a million on the best DC money could buy?
I'll tell you:
Because the LC cronies' dirty hands are all over it. I'm not even one hundred percent convinced RR would have been brought back regardless of how this season played out. I mean, barring winning a B1G championship, what have we seen over the past three weeks that lead any of us to believe this wasn't a decision made when Denard threw his first pick against Michigan State?
A Lloyd Carr conspiracy?
I'm as mad about this hire as pretty much everybody else here, but from everything I've seen Lloyd Carr was an upstanding guy who did right by UM's players and their fans. Let's not drag him through the mud for what is sufficiently explained by DBs incompetence.
I'm so frustrated... But hey, what's done is done. I'll whine today... Move on tomorrow...
When did The Rock start playing for Michigan
Incomparable, Hoke hasn't even coached a fucking game yet. Also, we are not ND. All this complaining is on the five year old without a bigwheel level. Shut the fuck up until there is an actual sample size.
A guy with three winning seasons in eight years and a 47-50 record has a fairly decent sample size.
Not as the HC at Michigan he doesn't. As we have seen, success doesn't necessarily translate from one place to another. Nothing from Hoke's past record translate definitely to Michigan Stadium.
So Brady Hoke's "success" at ball st and sdsu counts but not RR's at wvu, Clemson, and tulane? I agree that success at one stop does not promise success at another, but 47-50 isn't really inspiring me that he will do wonders here
That was my thought
-1, homies. That is not what I said at all. What I said is that a good or poor record at previous coaching jobs doesn't necessarily translate to success or failure at Michigan. You don't know until the team takes the fucking field. Apparently, some of you think you do because you hear voices from football gods. You can prognosticate all you want, but I am not buying it. This hire won't be a bad hire until the players don't succeed.
Also, to more directly answer Bronxblue. Obviously, RR's previous success didn't translate to winning consistently in the B1G, and I am not saying Hoke will either. What I am saying is that the jury is still out on Hoke, whereas the verdict is in on RR. Anyone that hollers negativity about this hire, and predicts mediocrity without a single game of Michigan Football being played under Hoke, is, for all intents and purposes, talking directly from their ass.
After 3 years, RR would have finally returned a single upperclassman at qb and some depth in the defense. Im not saying he would have won 10 games with that team, but the situation is far better than the mess he received from Carr.
To me, it is all about sample size and trends. Hoke has been trending up with his teams and that is reassuring, but RR had over 100 wins and was a success at ever stop before coming to UM. He also was winning more games each year, and if held suit would have won 9-10 games next year. We all acknowledge it was a bumpy ride, but 3 years just isn't enough to judge anyone esp. with this situation. I hope Hoke gets more time because I want him to succeed at UM, but I'm still not sold that he'll move the program forward.
You can't tell everything from the past, but to ignore it as irrelevant as a predictive model (however valid that may be) is counterproductive .
You are correct on two points.
By my logic, a 1-179 incoming coach would have just as much of a chance to win at Michigan than a 179-1 coach. While theoretically true, realistically it probably isn't. And to some degree I fully understand the hesitance to embrace this hire based on his history. I guess my point was that I am getting angry at the meme already surfacing that states Hoke is mediocrity in a big ol' bottle just because of his past record, when he may in fact prove to be a great coach at Michigan. This meme is especially strange to me because I contrast it with the blinding support that RR received on this blog, which is one of the reasons I frequent this corner of the internet. I enjoy this blog because its readers have been very supportive in times of great uncertainty when other factions of the fanbase have not, and I guess I was surprised at all the negativity surrounding Hoke at such an early juncture of his tenure from fans that I have come to trust, and ultimately, given events of the RR, should know better.
As for RR, in my eyes theoretically the verdict is not in. RR given more time may have proved to be a great coach at Michigan as well. But realistically he is no longer the coach, so the verdict is technically in.
Also, the notion that to be for Hoke you have to be against RR, and vice versa, is just plain untrue, and I hope this trend of thought does not continue going forward.
I guess I'll give you your point, but then I don't really get the point of your post. Hoke will get his chance coaching at UM - I won't deny that. And maybe he'll succeed, and I hope he does. But don't act like a 52 year old coach with a losing record at two mediocre schools is likely to go gangbusters when he makes a massive jump in competition. And let's see where he is after three years-my guess is a slightly better record than RR but nothing amazing.
*Way to phrase this last question. Was Hoke the best qualified coach to take over Michigan? No. If players are excited, awesome, winning games is a different story. You think Denard is excited? Doubtful
Denard as a more dangerous weapon under Loeffler than under Rodriguez, the guy that made Denard into what he is today??? Hahahaha. Wait. Were you serious?
the guy that made Denard into what he is today
you mean god? dude scored a 50 yard TD on his first college touch.
Unfortunately I don't think I can accept better numbers at a WAC school when I keep hearing how RR's wins were in an easy Big East (I know you are not saying this but it is a common theme for RR haters). I am glad to hear that kids are excited but until they get a chance to see how the coaching staff will employ them this is just being all in for the new coach. Until I see what Hoke can do with recruits I will have to put this hire on hold until I learn more. I am not wow'd right now; hopefully that can be changed in the near future.
How do you sleep at night? You've been giddy like a fucking schoolgirl since RR was fired, exhibiting the same "hypocrisy" that you've been accusing Rodriguez supporters of. You sincerely make me sick dahblue, I would hate to be you.
I'm not blasting Hoke, I'm blasting this hire. I don't agree with it at all.
But do you honestly believe that RR was treated fairly during his time here? And, do you honestly believe that things might not have been different without all of the negative media attention, Lloyd players never giving him a chance, etc...? I'm seriously interested to know what you think about those two questions. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen...
You didn't answer my question.
If you want to go that way what did Rich Rod do in three years?! Ofense played better against teams that we should have destroyed no matter what... Defense played worse every single year and dont give me the defense didnt have talent BS. In three years you HAVE to get the right talent and develop it.
Oh and by the way look at the schools Hoke coached and the teams he inherited and the competition he played. This year he lost 40-35 to TCU. Tell me honestly if you think that if we played TCU this year we would have the same score???
I supported coach Rod, i really did but the facts cant be denied. I will support coach Hoke, becouse he is the coach of Michigan football and all the people that now football and him personally think he is a GOOD person and a GOOD coach...
I wanna see this contract. I will unleash language never before seen if the k is for more than RR made.
Can rich rod not be the standard with which we compare future coaches?
Rich Rod came to the University Of Michigan and shit on himself. Any of us could have done what he did with this program behind him. Please shut up. At least Brady understands what a great opportunity it is to coach at the University of Michigan.
You know, sometimes you should just keep dumb things to yourself.
You, sir, are an a--hole.
Are the starting quarterbacks and you completely change the system and you just lost your top rb, wr's, lineman, 12 players transfer, lose a lot of defense and have only 2 players on the team that were eventually drafted in first 5 rounds of the draft one being a punter, I don't understand how people don't see a bigger picture!!!????
Being a fan and still questioning the logic of hiring a mediocre coach to replace guy who was making some progress are not mutually exclusive. I'll support Hoke as the new coach, but I still think RR deserved another year and is a better coach. I hope Hoke proves me wrong, but don't attack my fandom because I don't jump and accept that this was the best move the DB
You make no sense and I will stop listening to you now.
But that perspective was equally valid in assessing Rich...but you wouldn't believe it around here.
Since you keep saying everyone is going to transfer, he's going to switch systems (and the fact Hoke wishes he was left with that 08 defense compared to this).
The athletic dept. should have slept in the bed it made and given RR a 4th year (unless u have an ACE in your pocket).
Baring a motel room full of dead hookers, every school should give a coach 4 years.
RR underachieved, now so has the AD.
I'm sure RR would have killed to inherit the B1G offensive player of the year, a veteran line, the number 2 receiver in the conference, and a young defense with some depth.
Hole isn't a bad guy, but to argue that people are hypocrites for saying Hoke is walking into a better situation and that RR was given a bad shake is ignoring reality
Rich came into no offensive talent, or just young talent, and some defensive talent, and Hoke walks into an offense with some pretty good talent (I mean, Denard's transferring, right? That's all I keep hearing), and the worst defense of all time. We have good QB's, and a good line, but after that everyone else is Big Ten average. Martin's on an island on that defense.
dahblue: "he had to go because he failed to get the job done."
But you don't fire a person for past failures--that makes no sense--you fire a person because you think you can replace him with somebody who can do better than him in the future. So the relevant question is not how good Michigan was last year, it is whether Hoke will be better over the next 3 years than the last guy would have been.
I have my opinion on that, but the decision has been made.
You fire a person if you think the future will be no different than the past.
You really think a new DC + Woolfolk + freshmen turning to sophomores + current offense turns the 20 point losses to the good teams into wins? Because I don't see it. 20 points is a lot.
Sure RR got a raw deal in many respects, but he also showed some serious shortcomings in decision making and team management. There may not have been any Miles level blunders, but there were some things to question his decision making.
Put it this way: if RR was at a different school and just put up the record that he did at UM, with all of the baggage, there is no way in hell that any of you would want to touch him with a ten foot pole. There were very good reasons to think that he wouldn't have been able to turn Michigan into a NC caliber team.
Does that mean that after new "transition controversies", transfers, a dead recruiting class, another complete culture/scheme change. . .
Hoke will be fired if he goes 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 w/a bad bowl loss?
We deserve this because other coaches see we are impatient & poisonous.
I WISH we were Notre Dame right now.
I'll support Hoke, but I think it's going to be 5 years in the wilderness.
Probably. Because then he'd tie the worst coaching record of all time at Michigan.
Just support Hoke because he's the new coach?
We should totally support Stalin because he's the General Seceratary!
That's a strawman, obviously, but my point is that you don't respect somebody just because they have a title.
When Hoke proves
he's not going to waste the talent we have on offense, shows what he can do defensively and wins a few games, he'll have my support. Until then, I remain a fan of UM Athletics, but not of Brady Hoke.
With Rich Rod, and respected the opinion of others who did the same.
Posted per tomvh on twitter: LB/WR Kris Frost still doesn't have a decision from Auburn. He's looking into Michigan's new head coach today.
Well atleast he's looking.
Said if turned down by auburn you will likely see him in A2 FWIW.
Punting when down 17 vs MSU
McGloined coming off bye week
Wisconsin throws one pass in 2nd Half
Not even close in Columbus
A month to prepare for the Gator Bowl - embarrassed
Shred papers, ponzi schemes, #1 to JT Floyd, CARA forms, You raise me up
Yeah I'm devastated
Interesting logic. Dude, a vote against RR did not equal a vote for Hoke.