RR and Bill Stewart guilty of practice time violations at WVU
WVU applies self-imposed sanctions similar to what we are dealing with right now.
Former West Virginia coaches Rich Rodriguez and Bill Stewart have been found by the NCAA to have failed to monitor the duties and activities of graduate assistants and non-coaching staff members while they were at the school, a source said Friday.
I'd gladly take all the money he made through those 3 years along with all the shit he went through....
I would too, but at least we'd be going into it expecting the storm.
Not even saying he didn't deserve a good part of it, but that's got to get tough on a person, especially one so universally respected before then.
...and his house. That place was huge.
Still is, I imagine
Lol, maybe I should not describe things in the past tense.
especially if you're unmarried and don't have kids.
But when you factor in all the additional stress and other stuff on your family, it really may not be worth it. No doubt his kids took a lot of crap at school, etc.
From high school on, take crap if things aren't going right...but they don't get to live in houses with waterfalls.
Wait, was the waterfall in the house? I just assumed it was outside.
Who doesn't have one OUTSIDE?
Anyone with a lick of sense can.
Why isn't anyone in WVU blaming it on a newspaper? That is what I am getting at. Some people around here blame our probabation on a newspaper which is rediculous.
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I'm not trolling by the way. It's called an opinion.
So your opinion is that we shouldn't call it the freep jihad or blame them because WV is not blaming a paper for it's violations?
Do you now see why you are trolling?
I don't see how it's trolling and honestly I don't care that you think it is. My point came across wrong in my original post. I was really trying to say that some Michigan fans honestly believe that there were no wrongdoings by Rich Rod and his staff in the whole "stretch-gate" fiasco. Obviously he and his staff broke NCAA rules at 2 schools.
And FYI, I really wanted Rich Rod to suceed as the Michigan coach but I was not after the reports came out and still am not pleased with the fact we are on probation for the first time in the history of our football program.
It's still the freep jihad because the violations came to light only because of the freep's vastly over blown story. Did we do something wrong? Yes. But not nearly what the freep alleged.
It's still the freep jihad because the violations came to light only because of the freep's vastly over blown story. Did we do something wrong? Yes. But not nearly what the freep alleged.
I would like you to point me to 1 poster.....just 1....that thinks RichRod did nothing wrong. I want you to show me 1 post where someone says everything is the freep's fault, RichRod has 0 blame in this situation. Even as strong as Section 1 feels about the situation, he has said he knows we did something wrong. I am being honest when I say not a single person thinks RichRod shoulders no blame in this situation.
This would explain why it happened here.
It explains that the NCAA rules are really hard to follow no matter where and who you are with regards to practice time. RR probably made the same mistake both places, but other coaches did too
He was either consistently doing it wrong or purposely wrong. I would tend to think he was just doing it wrong since the benefit would not be that great.
Good point.
your post actually made me stop and feel dumb I didnt come to that conclusion myself. well put.
I agree with you, too iawolve.
I would be very surprised if others weren't doing it.
I agree the rules are hard to follow especially when you have a former NCAA compliance person working for you and she doesn't catch it.
My point wasn't that RR cheated, it was that RR carried the misperception here from WVU.
It explains that the NCAA rules are really hard to follow no matter where and who you are with regards to practice time.
I agree that many NCAA rules are difficult to uphold (particularly all the extra-benefits rules, given that you can't monitor these guys 24/7), but this one is theoretically directly in the coach's control. He decides how long they practice, and who monitors it. I don't think we have a great excuse for breaking the rule. At best, we were sloppy in our compliance. At worst, we figured we could gain a small advantage by bending the rules.
Why was WVU being investigated anyways?
I could be completely off base with this, but IIRC they wanted to look into RR's past for a pattern of incorrectly documenting practice hours. That or WVU saw the scandal at Mich and went, oh fuck we better investigate...
Again, I could be wrong, but I do believe it was related to the scandal here.
Makes me wonder if it went back even further to Don Nehlen? Not an accusation, just a question.
Wait, did Lloyd ever coach at WV? This has to be his fault somehow right?
All part of his plot to screw up Michigan Football. He's obviously been plotting for decades.
Yep. Lloyd coached the defensive backs for Don Nehlen in 1980.
He sabotaged RR from the start. I'll bet he doesn't even come out and publicly support him right now. What a slime ball.
ok, I have to ask, is this sarcasm or is it really true somehow?
Or did he take the job, then almost immediately leave it for the Michigan job (doing the same thing)?
Lloyd?
Carr never actually coached at WVU. He was hired there, then accepted the same position at Michigan a few weeks later.
Yeah, but BITF asked facetiously and Coach Carr was on staff there.
I guess anything to do with Coach Carr is a sensitive area.
How can anyone call this the Freep jihad anymore
Rosenberg?
How is it that Michigan paid for a west coast vacation for the NCAA as well as having to mount an expedition of their own, and everyone else seems to take care of these things from the comfort of their respective offices?
Can you explain to me who else besides Michigan and WVU has had these allegations over the past few years?
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Maryland
And as many of the ESPN talking heads and others said during the investigation - including Herbstreit (sp) - that they believed that many if not most of the major programs out there are/were probably guilty of at least some of the "voluntary" time and GA violations -- and cited the Michigan case as a wake-up call for those programs to review their practices as well.
As noted above the WVU investigation was a direct result of the RR investigation to see if there was any proof of a flagrant disregard for the rules vs. a misunderstanding of said rules. I believe the NCAA ruling concluded the latter, particularly when it was determined that Bill Stewart followed the same procedures. However the WVU thing had been opened at that point and thus needed to be addressed.
*yawn*
with all these violations, surely he would not have been coaching anyway....
sorry
is a poor administrator.
Just an unsolicited internet opinion here, of course, but I think he'd be best served by swallowing some pride and seeking an offensive coordinator rather than a head coach position next year. Seems to me the surest way to rebuild his reputation.