If so, it's a great hire. Well done.
Roy Manning to Michigan as Outside LB coach?
Wow! Great hire. Great find. Nice job digging that up.
I've heard in recent days that Michigan was probably going to hire someone from outside the "Michigan family" but I've been advocating for Manning since Montgomery left. I hope he's the choice.
One of the criticisms of Carr wan not developing a UM coaching tree, so I would be fine with trying to bring some fresh blood into the 'UM family' as long as they're, you know, good at coaching and recruiting. That said, I've read nothing but good things about Manning's re recruiting, so I would be happy with him as well.
That was all hogwash, anyway. Coaching trees (not that they matter a great deal) are really unclear for a long time. A bunch of his charges are now becoming defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators, and position coaches (Morrison, Wheatley, Hart, Hoke, Manning, Bedford, Loeffler, etc.), and several have coached in the NFL, too. We might not really see the extent of his "coaching tree" for another 10-15 years, because some of his players are still finishing out their playing days or working their way up through the coaching ranks.
Magnus, your statement stinks of bias. Look at how many Big Ten head coaches are from Tressel's tree:
Now, I loved Lloyd. However, the criticism you mention above is and was probably well-deserved.
Hoke, Stan Parrish, Mike Debord, and Ron English have been Lloyd assistants. Only one of them has really had success, (Though I'd say just being not completely sucky at Eastern is an accomplishment), but the only one who has proven anything there is Dantonio. The others might not be long for their current jobs either. (And Beckman was only on the staff for like 2 years). And Tressel was a head coach for 25 years (compared to 13). Not saying Tressel's tree is bad either. Sure you can say "Big Ten" but if you had done it one year ago it the list would have been "Dantonio." So a lot can change in a couple of years. Which was the point Magnus was making.
...and how do you know that Lloyd Carr assistants/players won't be head coaches in the next five or ten years? Or that the three coaches you mentioned will be the end of the Tressel coaching tree? You don't, which is the point of my post above.
Wait I thought you were goin to get hired? I guess the 3.5mil a year was too high to be the DLine coach..damn was hoping to see a mogobloger on the sidelines coaching
They considered Magnus, but thought he'd be a poor recruiter for telling every kid that he sucks.
***turrible pad level (I always hear Magnus speak is a Sir Charles voice, must be the BG avatar)
The truth is that I was offered, but I turned it down because I don't like the Adidas gear.
Why is this flamebait ?
I remember you said this and I was hoping for this hire as well
Why do you feel that way? Not that I disagree at all, but what would make Manning a good hire, in your opinion?
He's a local guy, played at Michigan, coached/GAed at Michigan, played in the NFL, young, black, ties to the midwest, and played a very similar position to what he'll be coaching. I think it's important to have guys on the staff who played at Michigan or have previous experiences there, who know about the traditions and the rivalries and such.
I'm not trying to be that guy but what does being black have to do with anything?
I'm not sure if Magnus meant it this way or not, but lots of players that we recruit are African American and lots of young kids like having that familiarity especially when they are from farther away. I heard a lot about this with Charlie Strong at Louiville in that it helps when he's going into black homes and has that cultural tie.
A coaching staff needs diversity to maximize combinations of coaches to visit recruits and connect with a wide set of influencers. If Roy is energetic and communicates his NFL playing experience, then he's unique on our staff.
Would Hoke send Roy to connect with a 55-year old, white, Texas HS football coach of aLB recruit? Sure. Would he send Roy to meet with Kyle Berger who probably dreams of LB in the NFL? Sure.
You need a diverse coaching staff. You don't want a bunch of 60-year-old white guys. You also don't want a bunch of 30-year-old black guys. Different kids respond to different people, and it would be ideal to have someone who can connect to the kids that the other nine coaches might not be able to reach.
Exactly. Some kids are impressed by a young guy they can relate to. Some kids are impressed by a father figure. Some guys want a coach who is similar to their family, and some want a coach who is the furthest thing from it. Same goes for the parents, who have a lot of influence over the recruiting process.
Hoke uber alles
Really? We use a Nazi slogan here, really?
They were Nazi's, Walter?
You must be new here. Brian used that after Hoke was hired because people thought he was pining for RR too much.
Although, in fairness, he was being sarcastic.
1. When did expressing one's discomfort with applying Nazi slogans to an institution of higher learning one attended become "trolling?" 2. You didn't understand Brian's point when he wrote it, 3. Not sure if Mgoblog posters can be self reflective, even slightly critical without being censored, called Flamebait or trolls On second thought fellow posters, use the the nazi slogan.
Have you read this site at all? Brian came up with it, and I'm pretty sure he and Seth are Jewish.
It's not a Nazi slogan. Predates the Nazis. No more Nazi-ish than thinking the Commerce Clause or Supremacy Clause are strictly southern Confederacy governing concepts.
Its from the German national anthem, and predates Nazis by roughly a century.
slightly sarcastic point. In fact, historians point to this kind of thinking as one of the roots of Naz. . . oh never mind.
If historians are really arguing that, they're trying too hard. Pretty much every European country used similar propaganda in the 19th century to rally its citizens behind the nation.
Devil's Advocate: The swastika also predated the Nazi's.
No, it isn't.
Or the title?
Picture, description ("OUTSIDE LB'S COACH UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN"), location ("Ann Arbor, Michigan"). Only reason I phrased my forum topic title as a question is because the information was unconfirmed at the time of posting, and there is always a question of `hacking'.
That and it says he's the OLB coach at U of M.
/not trying to be an ass, though I realize my post comes off that way
It seems to have been a fairly easy choice, very cool for him.
I hope one of his first calls go out to a Mr. Kyle Berger
oops wrong thread
That would be the SAM position only? I thought Mike and Will were coached together
Correct. Mark Smith coaches the ILB's (MIKE and WILL). I would assume Manning would also help out with weakside ends (since the positions are similar), special teams, and be heavily involved in recruiting.
Magnus - why do you need two coaches for linebacker? Are the inside and the outside that different? Would it make sense to have two WR coaches or is where the WRs lineup less important for coaching purposes?
I don't think LB necessarily requires an extra coach. He was likely mainly hired for recruiting. He still has to coach a group, though.
But it does certainly help. The two positions are actually quite different. My guess is he actually helps with the WDEs quite a bit. Just my thought because the 5-tech, 3-tech, and nose have a lot in common; WDE and SAM have a lot in common (moreso than SAM and MLB have in common); and then the two MLB positions are very similar.
You're going to get an overlap in coaches somewhere because of the number of coaches you're allowed to have.
Offense: QB, RB, Interior O-line, Outside O-line, TEs, WRs.
Defense: Interior D-line, Outside D-line, OLBs, MLBs, CBs, Safeties.
Those are pretty much the positions that need coaches, it's up to the head coach to decide which ones they will overlap.
What he said.
His wiki page already says he's Michigan's OLB coach.
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have an African-American person on our staff after all? I don't think for a second that Hoke or Mattison are even the tiniest bit prejudiced, but I do find that a little uncomfortable in this day and age. . . that it could bite the U in the ass at some point.
Little known fact: Coach Funk is a light skinned brotha.
staff? Not sure why inquiring is flaming, except to someone super-sensitive or worse, but since I had seen the issue brought up earlier I wanted to know. Still frankly IMO a little off for a school like Michigan that prides itself on being all multikulti and stuff. . .
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but a huge part of a college assistant coach's job is to recruit, sometimes more than actually coach (quite possibly the case with Montgomery, in fact) so doesn't "ability to relate well to recruits" have a lot to do with his job? I'm talking on his age just as much as his race.
It has more influence than most here believe. Age even moreso, IMO.
probably tell people they are on the Michigan Football Staff. Did you demote them?
Coach Roy, I'm happy to see you back in A2, because you are Roy Manning, not because of pigment.
da fuq? Montgomery was still on the staff last week (not to mention Jackson)....
Has been updated, so this must be a done deal and fact.
I dont mind the hire, but who is the new DLine coach?
Brady and Mattison are pretty much the de-facto DL coaches.
and then it actually happens? In the back of my mind, I'm secretly hoping someone in the AD read mgoblog one day and sort of threw out the idea to someone on the coaching staff and they thought it was an equally good idea
The AD does monitor mgoblog I believe
Although, my scenario is vastly less likely after I realized Manning was just a GA like 2 years ago. That's probably a bit more likely...
...is here (LINK). CoachingSearch.com has some tweets which say it is a done deal, in fact.
As for probable coaching alignments, he is what Meinke said:
"If Manning is hired as Michigan's outside linebackers coach, defensive coordinator Greg Mattison likely would coach the defensive ends and head coach Brady Hoke likely would work with the nose tackles."
Very happy to see Roy Manning back in Ann Arbor (he was integral to that 2004 team, as I recall), and this is another great hire for this staff, I think.
I highly doubt Hoke would work with the nose tackles, I mean come on he doesn't even do his part on recruiting these kids. /s
Anyways cool to see a Saginaw native join the coaching staff.
Especially in this context and I also believe youth is as well. I think Coach Hoke addressed both. I'm as old and as white as the next guy but teams who are majority African American need coaches that are too - it is important. Teams which are 100% young'ns need some guys on the staff that aren't just GA's that are close to their generation too. So yes, some of this is based on race and age, but not for any other reasons that this is helpful to connect and teach the kids on the team.
Sounds like a very good fit !
I completely agree with this, and I don't know why some make it seem like it's such a bad thing to say. I think having a staff full of old white guys would put us at a disadvantage both in recruiting and relating to the current players.
Imagine if instead of a team with mixed race, football was a sport with mixed gender as well (like track or swimming but they weren't two different teams). Wouldn't you want to have coaches who were both male and female? Of course a male coach can recruit girls for their sport (it happens all the time) but it would still be a good idea to have one or more coaches on that staff who were women to relate to the female players in a different way, and I don't just mean "can go in the locker room with them."
No one is suggesting race was the only reason or that Manning isn't completely qualified for the job. But that doesn't mean race has nothing to do with it. Being a young black man is a part of who Roy Manning is, and a part of what he brings as a coach. It's probably a part of why so many of his players at Cincinnati felt they could connect with him so well. And that's not a bad thing.
Good to have him back. Let's hope he's a solid recruiter as well.
It's officially official now.
Former Wolverine, Roy Manning has been named the outside linebackers coach. Manning was a 4-year letterwinner at U-M.
Would it be safe to expect an official HELLO post on Coach Manning?? I keep hearing about how good of a recruiter he is and would love to see some of the evidence. GO BLUE!!