Was anyone else surprised at how slow he looked on that run after he caught the ball? He had at least 5 yards on the defender and he still tracked him down from behind. I have been really rooting for him this year after seeing him in the spring game, but now I see why he is just now making an appearance on the field. I bet that he is beating himself up over not making it to the endzone on that play.
same with Hemmingway
The pass to Hemingway was underthrown. He had to slow down to let the ball get to him. If Forcier could have led him with the pass, he would have been gone.
...but still wondering why that wasn't called a horse collar tackle; perhaps b/c he wasn't taken to the ground, but he was definitely horse collared to slow him up.
But, honestly, I've watched a number of non-UM games and I've yet to see the horse collar called even when it's blatantly obvious. I'm guessing you probably watch more football than I do (judging by you knowledge base I'm sure you've got to watch more than I do) so do you see it called at all because I don't?
Correct me if I'm wrong - I heard this from a friend of mine. He was saying that horse collar tackles are only called in the NFL? I've seen a few blatantly obvious recently, so maybe this is true. I've had too much Jack Daniels to verify this on my own...
I've seen a number of them called in the college game.
There was one called in the sparty game earlier tonight. called on minn after a pick if I'm not mistaken.
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It used to be only called in the NFL a couple of years ago, but them the NCAA made a rule change in the off-season and have started calling it the last two or three years.
In all honesty in the 2-3 games I watch a week I haven't seen one all season (I haven't had enough to drink yet for that to be absurdly wrong, sadly). I remember seeing one or two last season but that's it - eh well, it only would have gotten us another, what 1 foot since it's half the distance, or maybe that would have been enough...
Aww crap, can't think like that, drink...
I've seen it called a couple times in high school games this year. It's a rule everywhere now.
...I was yelling dive, dive...get in that end zone, dive.
I guess he didn't.
I thought he got tripped up and broke stride which allowed the defender to catch him, I could be wrong, too many beers ago to recall.
But he was also laughing on the sideline after the play, kind of like "Damn, I could've had a touchdown, but it will be okay because we'll score anyway". I was with him on that one, until we failed on 4 consecutive downs. It's hard to say what difference that TD would've made though - would we have had as many problems on defense if we would've scored on that possession? I think it's pointless to speculate at this point, but it does make you wonder...
I think we would have seen the redshirt freshman quarterback on the next Illinois possesion instead of Juice. But they weren't going to put the kid in the game starting a drive on his own one yard line. So, the game could have been completely different, but I guess we will never know...
Yeah, if we had scored there, I think there was a real chance we'd have seen the freshman instead of Juice. Illinois hadn't done anything offensively since the opening drive of the game and a 20-7 deficit might have forced Zook's hand. Sigh...
Illinois would have imploded. They sure looked like they were about to . .
must have known something. Why go for 6 when you can be up 2 scores in the third quarter with a gimme field goal? Except if you have reason to believe your D is about to get torched. Over and over and over, for the remainder of the game...
Or maybe they just knew that going for it on 4th and a foot is almost always the right strategy - especially when you are on the one-foot line.
He needed to keep running away from the DB rather than running straight, had he aimed for the corner he probably would have made it. I also wonder what would have happened had he reached forward w/ the ball and dove.
Never mind, can't think about stuff like that - drink...
I also wonder what would have happened had he reached forward w/ the ball and dove.
The way today's ball went, probably a fumble.
Not a knock on Roundtree, footballs (like hockey pucks) bounce.
Roundtree was ranked low on recruiting websites due to 2 things:
1) size - he was like 150 lbs when he came to college. Very undersized for a college WR.
2) speed - he has average speed. Good shiftiness that a slot WR needs but no straight line speed that can be used to stretch the field like an outside WR. We've now seen his limitation. He'll be a good one, but Mario Manningham he is not.
not everyone has 4.3 speed, brah.
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I am just trying to point out something that I noticed during the game that doesn't involve "OMG! FIRE DICKROD!!!!1!!1!1!!!11!"
I was just excited to see a guy get open and be able to run after the catch. I miss the days of receivers getting even the slightest bit of separation from defenders.
Sadly, as soon as I knew that a replay was forthcoming I thought, oh great, we will get stopped 4 times from the one and have IL go 99 yards for a TD. I don't know which is worse - that I thought that, or that I was correct in thinking that.
Why do they always have the perfect angle to provide indisputable evidence that we were six inches away from scoring, but they cannot see that IL had 13 defenders on the field during a key 3rd and 3?
Exactly. He made a great play to get the ball to the one yard line. You would think that he set them up well enough to ensure points.
It's not like he slowed up. He can only run as fast as he can before someone catches him, and apparently that was a half-yard short of the endzone. In hindsight, yeah, take an angle to the goalline. but in hindsight, crable block the guy rushing the field goal, tyler ecker pitch the ball to breaston, anthony thomas slide to the ground after you got the first down against NW. you could play that game all day
Also, don't hit Troy Smith as he is going out of bounds.
Originally it was just an NFL rule. Now it's expanded.
he isn't a burner by any strech of the imagination but he gets open and makes plays....He's got some great shiftiness to him as well.
Barwis! Fast Twitch and Plyos! yay!
There was a horse collar penalty last week in my 8 year olds game.
As I said in another thread, if only he had stretched to get the ball into the endzone...
yes it was disturbing seeing Roundtree getting caught from way behind. Its not like Deion Sanders caught him, it was some no- name Illinois DB.
The entire game changed on that one play.
1 yard!! Arrhrghrghgrhg!!
I wouldn't say it changed on that play. If the pass had been incomplete, we'd have punted to Illinois from our own 23.
No one would care about Roundtree being caught from behind if we'd just gained one more yard in the four tries that followed.
He seemed to be laughing it up on the sidelines like a fool after the play got overturned so I really don't feel bad for him. The kid let up at the end and I would not put him on the field because of it. I've lost any support for him. Harsh? Ya, maybe, but I don't care. Bad enough he gives a subpar effort but then laughs about the call getting overturned. If anyone wants to argue with me, pull out your DVR and take a look.
Okay, let's ignore the fact that, even after the play was ruled down, it was still a 76-yard gain that put us on the Illinois doorstep. There is zero chance you would have posted this if we'd simply gone on to score from the one-yard line.
There's zero chance this thread is here too, you are correct.
I love how I get negged for disagreeing with people.
According to the announcers, the guy that caught Roundtree (Hawthorne) is the second coming of Tim Tebow. They just couldn't stop talking about him. It took a well placed throw of my cell phone through the TV to get them to stop.