so the minute Shane signs he can no longer recruit? We are doomed. Or is it when he is enrolled? Ok I don't get it.
Roundtree - Minor NCAA violation. Good rule?
it is when he is enrolled. He currently has no bind affiliation with the University of Michigan
that would seem to make more sense...prior to enrollment the school has far less control
That seems to be correct. When he signs, he becomes affiliated with the university, and cannot comment on prospective atheletes through social media. At least that's how I understand it.
What if he's become friends with them through combines/camps? He can't tell his friends to come to Michigan?
But that's the NCAA for you. Anyway, maybe time for a Hoke-imposed Twitter ban? Of course the freep is all over this...
Banning twitter is an overreaction. They just need to be aware of rules like this.
It affected us negatively, thus it is a bad rule.
Taking off the Maize and Blue glasses though, it's still a pretty stupid rule.
It's a dumb rule. Players should be allowed to act in the interest of their team during the recruiting process. The kids get to hang out with them on visits so why are tweets out of bounds?
.........is Twitter! ........... No need!
Does it matter who initiated the contact and if they had a prior relationship? I mean Roundtree and McCray both went to the same school, so it is at least possible they knew each other.
I'm wondering this, too. What if you had a teammate a year above you go to the school? He can no longer tweet/FB you? Or what if you have an older brother at a school....he can't tweet or FB you either? If that is the case, that is an incredibly stupid rule.
Does the rule apply to phone calls and texts as well? If they can call/text each other, but not tweet/FB, that's another reason it seems like a bad/inconsistant rule.
how about when a coach recruit his own son or nephew or cousin, no family gathering allowed?
Don't be ridiculous; after you submit all Christmas and birthday gifts (along with receipts) to the NCAA for clearance, you can go ahead and celebrate the holidays normally. And by normally I mean with your school's compliance office filming the entire thing for later submission. No biggie.
can they have cream cheese and fruit spread with their bagels?
If you ever have to say "Sorry if this was posted below and I missed it" stop what you are doing and walk away from your computer. Yes this was posted.
Well maybe I wouldve been able to see it if people werent starting threads about an unrated high school player in Chelsea, MI
And don't whine.
since the big malware shut down, search no longer works for me. I can't seem to look past the first set of MGoBoard posts on the side banner either.
To get past the first set you need to right click on the little arrow and tell it to open in a new tab. Yes, it is a pain.
Yeah man! Stick it to the man!
What if its a simple "Hey wats up?" ..if thats the case then its whack..FOH NCAA humans have rights
"NCAA rules do not allow comments about possible recruits on an institution’s social media page or a page belonging to someone affiliated with the institution. In addition, these pages cannot feature photos of prospects and messages cannot be sent to recruits using these social media technologies other than through their e-mail function."
emailed him instead of hitting him up on Twitter. This would have made a world of ethical difference.
is that one is public and the other is not.
It's not clear to me yet why that's a critical difference--I haven't thought through what would likely happen if they allowed this sort of thing--but it's clear that what they're trying to avoid is athletes doing public recruiting PR for their schools, not communicating privately with recruits.
This happened at ND last week and with Nick Toon last year. The NCAA will send a stern sounding letter that the players probably have to read and sign, and everyone will go about their business.
FTR, I think it's a dumb rule if it doesn't account for prior relationships. Hypothetically, what if this guy was Roundtree's little brother's best friend and had gone on family vacations with the Roundtrees when Roy was eight? That doesn't seem fair for him to have to cut ties while he's being recruited.
I'm pretty sure McCray contacted Demens first on Twitter. What is he suppose to do, not talk to him?
I'm surprised this hasnt happened more often, I mean Twitter is so easy to just talk to anyone. Desmond Howard once replied to one of my tweets, that should be a social media violation for somoene so awesome acknowleding I exist.
Blue in South Bend
Roundtree commits NCAA violation via tweet? (per chatsports.com)
a) no ChatSports.
b) I don't think he understands the rules in question.
The original article did not mention Demens, because that didn't happen until about two hours ago. I don't see how that is not relevant. I'll fully admit I don't know the rules perfectly, but it's not too hard to see that it's a possible violation when the compliance department is notified.
Happy Birthday Roy!
Dumb rule because a player can just as easily text them as facebook or tweet. The NCAA really needs to sit down and get some consistency with, well, everything. Let's create a piss storm about North Dakota's "offensive" mascot and god forbid a player contact a recruit, but let's let ohio, oregon, and the entire sec sans vanderbilt get away with whatever.
Happy birthday roy by the way
does this mean once a player enrolled in college, he has to de-friend with all his high school teammates who are still in high school and all potentially a recruit.
You can't do this, but they NCAA doesn't require a drug policy for athletes. When I heard the drug policy thing today I couldn't believe that.
Whats a little doping when your tweetin' like a boss?
The funny part was they don't require schools to have one, but if your school does, and someone violates it, the ncaa can punish you. Its like they're pushing schools away from having one.
Well actually, rules like this are common. If say you have a safety manual that says you have to be tied off for fall protection issues at a height of 4 feet when OSHA says it is 6 feet (talking construction regulations 1926) then you have to tie off at 4 and OSHA can cite you and fine you for violating that safety manual.
You can always make rules more strict going down the chain of command but you can not make them more lax than the highest command.
This is why Hoke only tweets about McDonalds cheesburgers. One Taco tweet could bring the whole thing crashing down.
Didn't this JUST happen at Notre Dame?
Also happened at OSU when Travis Howard tweeted at Cam Burrows and Eli Woodard when they committed.
... of all of the Twitter-related problems. NCAA bylaw violations; HIPAA violations and other breaches of team confidences on injuries, inappropriate racial and gender language, simply dumb comments, etc., etc.
If you don't mind, I'd like to have it broken down by team, individual, date, and type of offensive speech. It would be helpful to also have a tab breaking things down by which NCAA bylaw is violated, referencing the bylaw by number.
If you can have it on my desk by Monday, I'd appreciate it.
The NCAA has a pre-existing relationship exception. If they knew each other before McCray became a potential recruit (yeah, go ahead an try to draw THAT line, philosophers), then he's fine. He also didn't publicize a visit like Eifert did.
As for Demens... I dunno. Responding to a contact seems logically okay, but this is the NCAA. Your logic has no place here.
perfect example of a bureacracy run amok with rules and lawyers. Way too many rules that are ignorant and fly specks, like the social media rule, while they fail to concentrate on the big ones (you know, like someone giving Cam Newton's dad a check, or someone at Oregon paying a recruiting service $25K for information, etc).
Whether or not the rule is fair/makes sense/modern enough/realistic why is it being broken?
It is the rule- people know the rule.
Yeah it a small rule to break- but how are the players allowed to do this? It seems like all the rules need to be made very clear to all players so that we have no issues with breaking rules.
This is so avoidable....
there are rules that say you can email someone, but you can't tweet them, you can have bagels, but not cream cheese, or you can be a GA, but you can't return footballs a quarteback has thrown and you can only attend coaches meetings and film session under specific circumstances.
Once your write rules to that level of detail, you will have a rule "book" that is so thick and convoluted that no one really knows what all the rules are - especially the little ones like this one.
Maybe Eifert and Roundtree can attend remedial Social Media NoNo 101 at the NCAA school for stupidity.
Such a dumb rule - we are talking about 21-year-olds tweeting to 17-year-old future teammates. I get the prohibition/restrictions in the corporate world, but this seems like an overreaction to the texting issues that coaches used to get into. Ah well, I'm sure Rosenberg is already furiously wan...writing an article about how this is RR's fault, somehow.
Roundtree should have followed the rule. I would imagine that he and Brady Hoke will have a stimulating conversation about it. I'm in favor of tossing 95 percent of the NCAA rulebook, but you have to follow the rules that are there or someone gets an unfair advantage.
I just hope that the NCAA doesn't close the rather cool loophole that Shane Morris has been using to recruit his classmates.
It depends on the prior relationship they had. I believe if Tree knew McCray before McCray hit 9th grade, he can continue to interact with him.
Whether they had a prior relationship isn't really at issue. The specific issue in this case is the use of twitter, which made the communication between Roundtree and McCray a public one. Had Roundtree communicated with McCray privately via phone or text, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
I'm just gobsmacked that those dinosaurs at the NCAA even know what "social media" is.
I imagine them talking like Jenna on 30 Rock explaining Thad Wormald's wealth: "He did an internet, and now the computers like him, and Wall Street is Google."
All Coach Hoke needs to do is tell the team they are not allowed to contact potential recruits via Twitter and the team will comply. For every player there is a distance of pushing a barbell plate up and down the field that will deter them from breaking the rule.
An MSU women's basketball player, Madison Williams, just did the exact same thing Roundtree did. Here's her tweet concerning Aerial Powers, a player at Detroit Country Day (the same school Williams attended) who just verbally committed to MSU:
IT'S OFFICIAL!!! My little sis @Aerial_Powers is gonna be a SPARTAN!!!! Can't wait to get you here girl, we're so happy to have you!