Roundtree
Was anyone else surprised at how slow he looked on that run after he caught the ball? He had at least 5 yards on the defender and he still tracked him down from behind. I have been really rooting for him this year after seeing him in the spring game, but now I see why he is just now making an appearance on the field. I bet that he is beating himself up over not making it to the endzone on that play.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:35 PM ^
same with Hemmingway
October 31st, 2009 at 10:43 PM ^
The pass to Hemingway was underthrown. He had to slow down to let the ball get to him. If Forcier could have led him with the pass, he would have been gone.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:52 PM ^
...but still wondering why that wasn't called a horse collar tackle; perhaps b/c he wasn't taken to the ground, but he was definitely horse collared to slow him up.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:58 PM ^
But, honestly, I've watched a number of non-UM games and I've yet to see the horse collar called even when it's blatantly obvious. I'm guessing you probably watch more football than I do (judging by you knowledge base I'm sure you've got to watch more than I do) so do you see it called at all because I don't?
October 31st, 2009 at 11:01 PM ^
Correct me if I'm wrong - I heard this from a friend of mine. He was saying that horse collar tackles are only called in the NFL? I've seen a few blatantly obvious recently, so maybe this is true. I've had too much Jack Daniels to verify this on my own...
October 31st, 2009 at 11:03 PM ^
I've seen a number of them called in the college game.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:21 PM ^
There was one called in the sparty game earlier tonight. called on minn after a pick if I'm not mistaken.
November 1st, 2009 at 4:56 AM ^
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October 31st, 2009 at 11:05 PM ^
It used to be only called in the NFL a couple of years ago, but them the NCAA made a rule change in the off-season and have started calling it the last two or three years.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:10 PM ^
In all honesty in the 2-3 games I watch a week I haven't seen one all season (I haven't had enough to drink yet for that to be absurdly wrong, sadly). I remember seeing one or two last season but that's it - eh well, it only would have gotten us another, what 1 foot since it's half the distance, or maybe that would have been enough...
Aww crap, can't think like that, drink...
October 31st, 2009 at 11:30 PM ^
A Minnesota player was flagged for it tonight against MSU.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:50 PM ^
I couldn't stomach watching any CFB I cared about (either way) after watching that game.
drink...
November 1st, 2009 at 1:37 AM ^
I've seen it called a couple times in high school games this year. It's a rule everywhere now.
November 1st, 2009 at 10:39 AM ^
...I was yelling dive, dive...get in that end zone, dive.
I guess he didn't.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:37 PM ^
I thought he got tripped up and broke stride which allowed the defender to catch him, I could be wrong, too many beers ago to recall.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:37 PM ^
But he was also laughing on the sideline after the play, kind of like "Damn, I could've had a touchdown, but it will be okay because we'll score anyway". I was with him on that one, until we failed on 4 consecutive downs. It's hard to say what difference that TD would've made though - would we have had as many problems on defense if we would've scored on that possession? I think it's pointless to speculate at this point, but it does make you wonder...
October 31st, 2009 at 10:40 PM ^
I think we would have seen the redshirt freshman quarterback on the next Illinois possesion instead of Juice. But they weren't going to put the kid in the game starting a drive on his own one yard line. So, the game could have been completely different, but I guess we will never know...
October 31st, 2009 at 11:34 PM ^
Yeah, if we had scored there, I think there was a real chance we'd have seen the freshman instead of Juice. Illinois hadn't done anything offensively since the opening drive of the game and a 20-7 deficit might have forced Zook's hand. Sigh...
November 1st, 2009 at 1:09 AM ^
Illinois would have imploded. They sure looked like they were about to . .
November 1st, 2009 at 1:35 AM ^
must have known something. Why go for 6 when you can be up 2 scores in the third quarter with a gimme field goal? Except if you have reason to believe your D is about to get torched. Over and over and over, for the remainder of the game...
November 1st, 2009 at 10:56 AM ^
Or maybe they just knew that going for it on 4th and a foot is almost always the right strategy - especially when you are on the one-foot line.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:38 PM ^
He needed to keep running away from the DB rather than running straight, had he aimed for the corner he probably would have made it. I also wonder what would have happened had he reached forward w/ the ball and dove.
Never mind, can't think about stuff like that - drink...
October 31st, 2009 at 10:40 PM ^
I also wonder what would have happened had he reached forward w/ the ball and dove.
The way today's ball went, probably a fumble.
Not a knock on Roundtree, footballs (like hockey pucks) bounce.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:39 PM ^
Roundtree was ranked low on recruiting websites due to 2 things:
1) size - he was like 150 lbs when he came to college. Very undersized for a college WR.
2) speed - he has average speed. Good shiftiness that a slot WR needs but no straight line speed that can be used to stretch the field like an outside WR. We've now seen his limitation. He'll be a good one, but Mario Manningham he is not.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:39 PM ^
not everyone has 4.3 speed, brah.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:52 PM ^
and headed for the goal line. Blame the O after his catch for not knocking it in and getting 6.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:03 PM ^
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I am just trying to point out something that I noticed during the game that doesn't involve "OMG! FIRE DICKROD!!!!1!!1!1!!!11!"
October 31st, 2009 at 11:38 PM ^
Just making a general comment that's not in any way criticizing you. The team really needs to regroup and think things over like whether or not they want to continue playing football.
November 1st, 2009 at 1:58 AM ^
I was just excited to see a guy get open and be able to run after the catch. I miss the days of receivers getting even the slightest bit of separation from defenders.
Sadly, as soon as I knew that a replay was forthcoming I thought, oh great, we will get stopped 4 times from the one and have IL go 99 yards for a TD. I don't know which is worse - that I thought that, or that I was correct in thinking that.
Why do they always have the perfect angle to provide indisputable evidence that we were six inches away from scoring, but they cannot see that IL had 13 defenders on the field during a key 3rd and 3?
October 31st, 2009 at 11:17 PM ^
Exactly. He made a great play to get the ball to the one yard line. You would think that he set them up well enough to ensure points.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:06 PM ^
It's not like he slowed up. He can only run as fast as he can before someone catches him, and apparently that was a half-yard short of the endzone. In hindsight, yeah, take an angle to the goalline. but in hindsight, crable block the guy rushing the field goal, tyler ecker pitch the ball to breaston, anthony thomas slide to the ground after you got the first down against NW. you could play that game all day
October 31st, 2009 at 11:18 PM ^
Also, don't hit Troy Smith as he is going out of bounds.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:07 PM ^
Originally it was just an NFL rule. Now it's expanded.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:33 PM ^
he isn't a burner by any strech of the imagination but he gets open and makes plays....He's got some great shiftiness to him as well.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:59 AM ^
Barwis! Fast Twitch and Plyos! yay!
November 1st, 2009 at 1:20 AM ^
There was a horse collar penalty last week in my 8 year olds game.
November 1st, 2009 at 1:10 AM ^
As I said in another thread, if only he had stretched to get the ball into the endzone...
November 1st, 2009 at 7:56 AM ^
yes it was disturbing seeing Roundtree getting caught from way behind. Its not like Deion Sanders caught him, it was some no- name Illinois DB.
The entire game changed on that one play.
November 1st, 2009 at 9:13 AM ^
1 yard!! Arrhrghrghgrhg!!
November 1st, 2009 at 11:09 AM ^
I wouldn't say it changed on that play. If the pass had been incomplete, we'd have punted to Illinois from our own 23.
No one would care about Roundtree being caught from behind if we'd just gained one more yard in the four tries that followed.
November 1st, 2009 at 9:22 AM ^
He seemed to be laughing it up on the sidelines like a fool after the play got overturned so I really don't feel bad for him. The kid let up at the end and I would not put him on the field because of it. I've lost any support for him. Harsh? Ya, maybe, but I don't care. Bad enough he gives a subpar effort but then laughs about the call getting overturned. If anyone wants to argue with me, pull out your DVR and take a look.
November 1st, 2009 at 11:14 AM ^
Okay, let's ignore the fact that, even after the play was ruled down, it was still a 76-yard gain that put us on the Illinois doorstep. There is zero chance you would have posted this if we'd simply gone on to score from the one-yard line.
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 PM ^
There's zero chance this thread is here too, you are correct.
I love how I get negged for disagreeing with people.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 AM ^
According to the announcers, the guy that caught Roundtree (Hawthorne) is the second coming of Tim Tebow. They just couldn't stop talking about him. It took a well placed throw of my cell phone through the TV to get them to stop.