Pardon me while I update my roster on NCAA like the loser I am.
Roster has updated heights and weights; Green at 240 (!)
Mike McCray is 6'4 237? I guess Rivals was right?
Also- Terry Richardson is still 167. To the Sandwich Hut with thee, son.
I thought one of the main knocks on him was that he was short for a SAM at only 6'0" or 6'1". If he really is 6'4" then I might have to jump on the Mike McCray bandwagon early
Looks like all the LBs are bigger than we thought.
Gedeon- 6'3, 236
RJS finally gained some weight too- 6'2, 225
However, haven't we concluded that some inflation occurs with the posted mgoblue heights and weights?
I'm a little surprised that both of them are conveniently bigger than everyone thought. Then again, I don't think either hit the camp circuit extensively so it could be very possible that they were just off the radar for a long time and their size never got updated
What was RJS' previous weight?
They are bigger than we thought, but still generally undersized. Gordon, Ross, Morgan, Bolden, and RJS are all under 240 lbs. Ross' weight actually went down from last year and I can't believe Bolden only went from 223 to 225 lbs. Beyer is our only LB that will get meaningful snaps that weighs over 240 lbs until Ryan comes back, which will only replace him.
If Terry needs some extra weight, I have a few pounds I can spare for him.
McCray may be a carbon copy of one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Crable
No helmet to helmet hits in critical games please...
Or miss the man he's supposed to block on special teams.
Dammit, Shawn. He may have been the cause of the two most painful plays I can think of in recent years for Michigan. Apart from a couple brutal plays though, I would be perfectly content if McCray could be Shawn Crable 2.0
Weight loss = faster
Weight gain = stronger
Unless it's happening to an opponents roster of course. In that case:
Weight loss = weaker
Weight gain = fatter
Charlton 6'6" 270 lbs
Tuley-Tillman 6'7" 300lbs
Another reason why I think having recruits early enroll is like adding a half a star to their ranking, especially linemen.
I saw LTT on state st a few weeks back. It's like night and day from what he looked like this time last year (granted he was sidelined with an injury last year)
What was green at during his senior year?
About 220 or 225
Seems like he's gotta watch that weight. Wasn't one of the one likely downsides of Green that he might get too big and basically become a fullback? Seems like 240 is pretty heavy
If he becomes Mike Alstott but faster and more agile I'd be ok with that. Truck stick activated.
But just in case.... These are fake pics from Packers camp. There was also a similar one of Rodgers.
Before he became a soul crushing RB, he was a short fat offensive lineman -- 5'8" 268 to be more exact.
Yeah, I recall hearing stories reporting he was overweight as a kid and actually dropped a bunch during high school to get down to 220. I think he will be one of those guys that has to work to keep his weight down.
The Green obsession on this site is reaching critical levels
Highest rated recruit + highest likelihood of seeing the field + skill position = HYPE MACHINE ENGAGE
I was just about to type the same thing. FWIW....can you imagine for a second what this board would've been like Drew Henson's Freshman year? #1 rated recruit....from MICHIGAN (fergodssake) and a MFing Quarterback to boot.
Hype machine would've melted.
- Chris Fox - 338
- Logan Tuley-Tillman - 300
- Lewis - 170
I guess somewhat to be expected coming off of ACL surgery.
I would add Patrick Kugler to this list at 287 lbs. Going to be hard to come in and compete for starting center underweight. Also Dan Samuelson.
Kugler is an inch taller than Jack Miller so I would expect him to be carrying more weight.
But you are right, it looks like he could compete at that weight.
Yea centers usually run smaller than the rest of the O-line considering they usually have to be quicker, more agile.
287 isn't bad. He was 280 in HS, and Jack MIller is only 290.
Graham Glasgow is only 303.
With Miller just 290 and the current uncertainty at the position I hope Kugler gets some serious consideration with his technique supposedly his best quality. But what do I know
He could certainly be servicable at 287...I wouldn't expect him to gain more than 10 lbs over his career at Michigan and that's saying a lot. I wouldn't be shocked if he did...but if he was a senior at 297, that'd certainly be solid.
Hoke was just talking about Lewis in the return game, doubt he redshirts
and a bit skeptical he has the same quickness that he'd have at 220.
Although Green is an inch or two shorter, he has very similar measurables to Le'Veon Bell from his freshman year. He was 6'1", 237 as a freshman at MSU.
Mario Ojemudia is up to 250. That quietly could be huge. He needed to add on weight
to 235. He's starting to get more respectable size.
Chris Fox is the heaviest player on the roster at 338!
OL looks really BIG
Lewan (6'8", 315), Braden (6'6", 318), Miller (6'4", 290), Kalis (6'5", 302), Schofield (6'7", 304)
Average OL is 6'6", 306 lbs.
Glen Mason is throwing up in his mouth over that.
Terry Richardson (167) is still the lightest.
Still light, but better than the 154 he checked in at last fall.
...but it seems like we're bigger everywhere this year. Even our kickers and QBs.
on a diet. 338 just has to be too much bad weight I'd guess.
All Weight Changes Are Positive!
I called this a few weeks ago when I saw him in the ugli, he still has great definition in his lower bodu, but definitely some fat on him in the upper body. I trust that it's not "bad" weight though, he guy has a crazy commitment to his physical conditioning, and if he's at 240 it's because the coaches want him at 240. Still curious, though.
That's not fat, those are big bones.
I want to hear that from the coaches.
I doubt they wanted Bryant at whatever he weighed last year. And I doubt they want Green at 240.
I thought Green looked bigger than 212ish in the practice video.
Green is at 240?!?! May the football gods have mercy on any soul that tries to get in between him and the goal line.
Maybe you should worry more about any soul trying to get between Derrick and the buffet line.
"Hey grandkids, come look at this goof I made on the internet!" - Don, 2013
Ron Dayne...but fast!!!
Green is heavier than the FB's that will be blocking for him!!
Some of the positional average heights and weights right now:
RB - 5'11", 216 lbs.
WR - 6'1", 191 lbs.
OL - 6'5", 301 lbs.
DE - 6'4", 270 lbs.
LB - 6'2", 233 lbs.
DT - 6'3", 292 lbs.
QB - 6'2", 214 lbs.
DB - 6'0", 184 lbs.
At 240 pounds, I can see Derrick Green running through people in padded workouts too.
Those are what you're looking for in a prototypical football team
10lbs by start of season is my guess with being on campus and having a meal plan.
that Coach Hoke is grooming Derrick Green for nose guard at this point
Gedeon's weight should guarantee him seeing the field this fall, special teams at the very least.
Clark is huge for a WDE.. and I love it.
I love the sizes of Green, Smith, and Johnson. Hopefully all the weight Green has put on is good weight,
Magnusson seems to be a bit slow putting on the weight, he may not be the LT of the future after all.
by the time aug 31 rolls around Green will be sitting at 225 i'd bet. No worries at all.
Kugler could win the center spot. He has the size already haven't heard much but I know his father is a good coach. I think he could be a real sleeper.
At 6-5, 287, he's probably too small.
Yes, one inch and three lbs. does make a big difference, for those of you ready to argue that Jack Miller is only 6-4, 290.
Isn't Kugler coming off of shoulder surgery? I'd expect that, along with the fact that he is a true frosh, to make it extremely likely that he redshirts.
240? That's alot of mustard going into those kicks!
Less variance in height at this point. Brady Hoke definitely likes his tall people.
So we went from a bowling pin to a missile over the last year? Good work team.
Camp, Green will probably be around 230-235... Some of it will come off...
That's always the case though. You could use that logic to worry about Miller being 280 after camp.
I don't think it's warranted, but if people want to fret on 240 being too heavy, it's the right number to use.
Yeah, it's kind of useless. In one week, my weight may be as low as 170 or as high as 176. When I was in HS wrestling, we in the upperweights would easily drop 5-10 pounds in a day or two. I doubt more than 5% of players ever actually play at their roster weight but it is good to see lighter guys bulk up and bigger guys shed bad weight.
has no one mention that De'Veon Smith is @ 224? We've got more than 1 highly ranked freshman running back people.
Smith was 220ish during his recruitment, so I think people aren't talking about it because it's not that surprising.
I just don't see how we Smith has been almost completely neglected from the running back talk around these parts.
and Deveon is completely off everyone's radar anyway because of Green. He's a top100ish back at 225 and not a soul is taking notice. He might surprise people down the road
Good to see Shane where he is (201)
This just makes me realize how much I want this season to start, especially with the size of our projected OL starters.
Maurice Hurst down to 270, I gotta figure thats a good thing. He was probably carrying bad weight at 300. Also, Butt and Funchess are basically the same size now
All weight loss is good
All weight neutrality is good
Don't overlook Da'Mario Jones. He is college ready at 6'2" 192. He may come on pretty strongly his freshman year.
For his frame and the way he runs on the highlight from H.S. - certainly would not want more on him. He wasn't exactly Noel Devine'ish before. With that said, camp will definately get 8- 10 off of him IMO. Going forward though, he ain't gonna get taller so it looks like he will really have to battle his physical maturity for his time at Michigan. Not a bad thing, just a thing.
Smith is a great weight for his body type and athleticism.
Gedeon is supposedly a freak in the weight room/testing and with that size now he could be one of the top odds guys to play meaningful time out of this class.
Good to hear he's at 237, 2 pounds higher than Funchess. Everyone knew he would see the field this year but that weight definitely confirms it. Hopefully he struggles less with the blocking than Funchess did.
- Courtney Avery is the ONLY CB on our roster. The other secondary types are "DB" or "S"
- Terry Richardson is the lightest player at 167
- Chris Fox is the heaviest player at 338
- Taco Charlton senior HS season was 249, is now 270 (!)
- Channing Stribling and Reon Dawson are toothpicks at 6-2, 170
- We now have seven scholarship secondary players over 6-0
- Mario Ojemudia is the smallest DE at 250; avg. DE weight = 270
- Henry Poggi is the smallest DT at 260; avg. DT weight = 292 (scholarship)
- Hagerup IS on the roster
- Cam Gordon (6-3, 237) is the third-heaviest LB, behind only converted DE Beyer (250) and JMFR (240)
- Mike McCray is already 237, and is 6-4
- James Ross III is the lightest (scholarship) LB at 220; also tied for the shortest (Desmond Morgan, 6-1, 228)
- Avg. weight of TRUE Fr. OL = 301
- Avg. weight of RS Fr. OL = 299 (scholarship)
- There are 19 OL on the roster
- De'Veon Smith is 5-11, 224
- Wyatt Shallman (6-3, 237) is lighter than Derrick Green (5-11, 240)
- Justice Hayes is the ONLY RB under 200, he is 5-10, 192
- Funchess is up to 235 from 227 (yay!). Khalid Hill is the shortest TE at 6-2, and the second-heaviest at 258 (A.J. Williams, 265)
- Our WRs are TALL. The only non-senior scholarship WR under 6-2 is Dennis Norfleet.
- We have "college-ready" size and depth on the DL and OL for the first time since '07.
- We are getting taller at DB and WR.
- There are very few true freshman who will have to redshirt strictly due to size concerns: Dawson, Stribling, Lewis, Kugler, and York are the only guys that appear too slight to play (and that could be wrong, since four of those five are DB or WR).
- We are getting bigger everywhere, but will start with two LBs under 230 lbs, as well as two of the primary back-ups (Joe Bolden, 6-3, 225 and Royce Jenkins-Stone 6-2, 225). It appears speed is more important to Hoke/Mattison at MLB and WLB than is size.
Not sure what you're asking about...my WR height comment specifies "non-senior" WRs.
OK, so can some people stop saying "needs to add weight" when we get a commitment from a guy who won't be on the field for a year or two? Of course they need to add weight and they will.
TRich hasn't. Ross hasn't. Weight gain isn't always a given.
OK, there are some exceptions but my god! Look at some of the differences compared to when guys left high school! It just seems too many people freak out about weight when some kids are still Juniors in HS.
But when you say, "So-and-so will have to gain weight," it means that the kid isn't at an ideal playing weight and will have to be able to gain X pounds without losing speed/quickness/etc. When a guy is "college-ready," it means (a) he won't have to worry about gain weight before seeing the field, and (b) we don't have to worry about that player losing speed/quickness/etc. in his pursuit of said ideal weight.
Green's weight explains Fitz Toussaint's confidence from yesterday!
People remember Sam Webb saw green and said he was absolutely chiseled. IT'S NOT LIKE HE GREW A MASSIVE GUT, relax folks relax
HE PULLED AN EDDIE LACY
Hold on, man, You're going to sit there... Owning a fireworks stand ... And you don't have any whistling kitty chasers, Hoosker dos, Hoosker donts, zippity doo das ... And tell me that Derrick Green weighs the exact same as Jake Ryan?
And hopefully still runs a 4.3
Considering he's never actually ran a 4.3, I'll say probably not.
Camp will at least have him drop to 235. But Sam Webb said he looked great when he showed up to michigan
Yeah, I'm not worried about his weight at all but when I noticed the Jake Ryan comparison I was like dang.
He didn't look bad in that MGoBlog practice video a couple MGoBoards down. I just felt like pulling out my inner Joe Dirt.
Chris Fox weighs more than two Terry Richardsons.
Perhaps even more amazing is that TR started at 154 (!).
Chris Fox could have damn near eaten that version of Terry Richardson.
don't worry again..
I WANT to believe that college S&C has turned him into a 240 lb slab of pure muscle, grit and horsepower that runs through granite and shits John Wayne. And this time of year, no one can prove otherwise.
Now that a new weights and position changes are out has anyone made the changes to their 360 roster and are willing to share?
Whether or not a player is carrying too much weight does not boil down to an analysis of "good, unless fat, then bad." Green's body fat percentage could be in the single digits and his weight could still be problematic; certain players cannot stay agile and athletic above a certain weight threshold. Whether or not that will be a problem for Green remains to be seen and it's pointless to speculate about it now, but it would be really rare for a running back to be at 240 pounds and still remain agile and speedy enough to do the kind of damage we'll need from Green.
Around ten years ago, a physical marvel named Greg Jones played at Florida State. Jones was extremely fast and cut to shreds, but was so musclebound he could scarcely maneuver. He kicked around the NFL after college but was often relegated to fullback, where he couldn't survive because he was never anything more than an average blocker.
Well the fact he does yoga is encouraging to me. I think he is taking the steps necessary to remain as agile as he can with the added bulk.
Derrick said he plans to stay 4 years but that was back when he was a junior in HS. he said he has his entire life to play in the nfl but a degree is more important. 4 years of that, hell yeah.
so are we to believe that the heights on rivals were not exaggerated by an inch with respect to any of our incoming freshmen? uhhhhhh....
thanks again iphone!
Care to share your roster when you are done?
Why is everybody worried about Green's weight? He's the top incoming freshman running back.... Do you really think our coaching staff is going to let him be at a weight where he can't contribute?
He was brought in for 3 reasons.. To disregard females, aquire wealth, and win football games for Michigan.. Well, hopefully just win games.
Borges already said he's moving pretty well, but they're going to ask him to lose some pounds. No worries.
I think the compairisons to LeVeon Bell are spot on. This dude will truck his way through B1G defenses THIS year, people. I am not saying that Toussaint, Rawls, Justice, etc... are not good, I just have a gut feeling that this kid is a superstar. Watch his feet before he hits holes on tape. He reminds me of Anthony Thomas with the quick shuffle step, and I also see a bit of Mike Hart in that he seems to always gain yardage with every move he makes. We need a big bruising back to slam the power play up the middle of all these tough defenses on the schedule. I can't wait to see the opener in person in 24 days!!! Go Blue!!!