Ross BBA Pre-admit decisions out

Submitted by PrincetonBlue on

For those high school senior/parents of high school senior mgobloggers out there, the decisions are up in Wolverine Access.  I personally didn't get in, but I'm not too bummed about it. Congratulations to everyone that was able to get in!  Hopefully mgoblog will be well represented in the BBA class.

LSA Aught One

March 13th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^

Not a huge loss. You can still take classes in the b-school if you aren't enrolled. I did Econ and took all of the core CIS classes. It was fun to show some of the BBAs that an Econ guy could whip them in their own house.

xtramelanin

March 13th, 2015 at 10:10 PM ^

so to get through it i swiped a piece of "M" stationery and wrote to the publisher to get an instructor's manual.   i was able to get all the weekly work done by copying it out of the book.   i booted all 4 mid-terms (2 per semester) but would basically memorize the book and reverse engineer the problems for the final.  ended up with A-'s in accounting, my least favorite subject, and that was fine with me.

b-school is good, but you can do just fine without it.   incidentally OP, great attitude.  that is alot more important than whether you got into b-school.

Coach Carr Camp

March 13th, 2015 at 11:41 PM ^

I'm kinda amazed you pulled that off, seems like you spent more time cheating than you would have needed to just learn material, but wow.

OP - did not see you were an applicant. Don't worry, there's lots of great degrees at michigan and you can be successful as long as you have the ambition and drive, which it seems you already do. Best of luck.

xtramelanin

March 14th, 2015 at 6:43 AM ^

but is more of a humorous story these decades later. 

and before 'hacking' was even a word, i reprogrammed our computer at the b-school so that our bank would have slightly better returns than the others we competed against in finance classes that had the early monte-carlo programs about banking.  required that i knew how the computer programs worked, the programming languages, all sorts of skills utilized in real world terms.  it was the open prarie at that time, no rules, no parameters, just get it done.

and while we're at it, i took tests for my team mates.  there were a couple guys on my hockey team that had some of the b-school classes and they knew i knew that stuff.  so i took the occasional extra stats or econ test now and again, to help out a buddy.   i was a teenager, or maybe 20, young and foolish and would not do that again, but there you have it nearly 35 yrs later...  

dupont circle

March 14th, 2015 at 12:05 AM ^

Pre-admit just means you're accepted to Ross as a high school senior. The OP will still be able to apply next winter, as a freshman. 20% from the BBA class are pre-admit (80-100 out of 500). It's a big deal because: 

#1 You can safely party a bit. Lots of freshmen get to school with Ross intentions and squander if by the end of fall because they killed their GPA. Need around a 3.7 GPA to be a competitive freshman applicant.

#2 Historically, the pre-admit members of the class dominate the top of the class up through graduation, i.e. very unlikely those polished kids are going to fall from the top 20% of the class overall. So those high honors gunners rake the most prestigious internships and full-time offers. In other words, at 17-y.o. you're basically all but guaranteed $10K+ summer internships and an $80K a year offer when you graduate. Kind of stuff any parent dreams of for their kids.

goblueram

March 13th, 2015 at 8:13 PM ^

I didn't even know/care if there was a B school when I started, but ended up at Ross starting sophomore year. Good luck to those who applied to this pre admit thing, but if it doesn't work out do no sweat it!

Commie_High96

March 14th, 2015 at 12:14 AM ^

Geez or just get any undergrad degree and hang around A2 for a few years and do the 4 year night and weekend program. The dirty secret about Ross is anyone with a pulse and $50,000 can get an MBA in the night and weekend program and have the same MBA. I know some real dumb-dumbs who hardly got through Eastern who have Ross MBAs now. By dumb-dumbs, I mean really good friends who you would not trust to watch your daughter's lemonade stand while she stepped out for 10 minutes.

Commie_High96

March 14th, 2015 at 12:02 AM ^

No shit! Got my law degree and MBA at the same time and my business classes were team-building leadership discussion cake compared to the 3rd degree from my law profs. I always tell people to get an MBA and forget law school.

dupont circle

March 14th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

You have a U-M dual JD/MBA? Solid. You regret the years it took for the JD? Oddly enough, you can't really get into a top straight MBA program directly after undergrad.

I've noticed a lot of Ross BBA kids ended up in law school. Those cozy b-school grades certainly help with law school admissions.

TrueLT

March 13th, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^

I was a BBA pre-admit and as much as I loved Ross the arrogance in the pre-admits in particular was almost unbearable, you're at Michigan fergodsakes we're all obviously smart I mean we chose the greatest school in the world

Also, to all those who do get in, my LSA classes were incredbly interesting and rewarding - take advantage of ALL the Michigan resources and spread your knowledge out, there are professors on that campus that will impact your life forever, don't limit yourselves!

dupont circle

March 14th, 2015 at 12:12 AM ^

I said this above but there's no cushier major with guaranteed pay than the Ross BBA. Engineering students can make bank interning and full-time offer but they're all grinds for 4-5 years of college. Ross students with decent GPAs have $10K internships and $80K job offers, all in prime cities, and an otherwise light undergrad.

Don't get me wrong a CS from LSA or CoE probably makes more money, but they put in twice the effort in college. Pre-health headed to medical school is perhaps more occupational prestige, but again, at least twice as hard, and they don't make real money until they're 28-y.o. Ross kids make more than the average middle class parent at 22-y.o.

bronxblue

March 13th, 2015 at 9:51 PM ^

I didn't even realize there was a pre-admit B-school program at Michigan.  Is it a new thing?

Anyway, good luck/congrats/ah you'll still get a chance to everyone.

JamieH

March 14th, 2015 at 12:00 AM ^

My mom was a high school accounting teacher who taught college accounting classes on the side.  Needless to say accounting was never going to be a problem for me. 

Much to her disappointment, being an engineer I never ended up taking an accounting class. 

 

It did seem to be a confusing subject for a lot of people.  But then again, so did quantum physics. 

 

Njia

March 14th, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^

My daughter was not admitted. Someone pour me a drink....

At least she was accepted into LS&A. It's still the odds-on-favorite.

Wendyk5

March 14th, 2015 at 9:50 AM ^

I just read a great article in the New York Times by Frank Bruni about the insanity surrounding college applications. I know you've been through it with your daughter but perhaps it's worth a read to keep you steady when you go through it with your son. 

Njia

March 15th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^

And he is right on. There were applicants for music who were auditioning at as many as a dozen music schools. Since most live auditions happen on weekends in late January and February, many choose to attend regional auditions at schools too far away to schedule with travel. Had my daughter been a mezzo (or been my son and sang baritone or bass) she probably would have been admitted. Soprano is the most competitive voice part by far and she came up short. At least she had the courage to try. I didn't - when I played saxophone, my contemporaries (like Andrew Dahlke, now at Northern Colorado) were far better than I was and I didn't think I could compete. My daughter also knew which of her fellow singers are likely to emerge as stars but tried anyway. I'm very proud of her for that.

dupont circle

March 15th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^

Frank Bruni graduated from UNC-Chapel Hill ("Public Ivy" peer of U-M) and has an Ivy League masters from Columbia. So a guy who parlayed those pretty elite academic credentials into the most prestigious journalism job in the world (op-ed columnist for The Gray Lady) is telling parents it doesn't matter where their kids go to college? That's rich.

Nobody's saying it's the end of the world if you don't get into an elite school, e.g. denied from Duke, go to U-M; or denied from U-M, go to State. But to deny that a more elite school doesn't give you a leg up is absurd. It's a credential and experience that impacts you professionally and socially from age 18 until you die.

Wendyk5

March 15th, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^

I guess it depends on your definition of success. Mine doesn't have a mandatory "must work at top firm in chosen field" or "must make X amount of dollars" tag attached to it. I'm old enough to have seen so many different kinds of success. And I can tell you in hindsight, my Michigan degree had absolutely nothing to do with any success I've had professionally. It didn't get me in the door, it didn't connect me to people in my industry, I don't think anyone even looked at that on my resume. So while people in engineering or business might need the elite label, a lot of other people in other professions don't in order to be successful. 

M-Dog

March 14th, 2015 at 1:17 AM ^

You can always try for an MBA later at Ross.  If you do, major in something other than straight business in undergrad.  They love to see the combination of an MBA with some non-business related undergrad, as long as you can show some kind of "leadership".

notYOURmom

March 14th, 2015 at 1:49 AM ^

Most (!) if the people in the BBA program are NOT preadmits. I am going to teach in that program next year (a class for sophomores) so buckle up in math and Econ and I'll see you in two years. Good luck

UMichClass2017

March 14th, 2015 at 2:03 AM ^

Current Sophomore in the b-school.  I didn't apply pre-admit and applied freshman year.  Focus on Econ/Stats/Calc type classes and fill the schedule with Psych 111s and get a good GPA. You'll be good.

ESRoss2015

March 14th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^

A lot of hate on the B School in this thread. While the curve is friendly, one thing most people do not take into account is that the majority of applicants get rejected, and the kids eating up the bottom of the curve in LSA and engineering classes are not present in Ross classes.

Coach Carr Camp

March 14th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^

This is the epitome of B school arrogance - The assumption that the b school class is some kind of elite group of intelligent michigan students. You know there are a lot of very smart kids in LSA and engineering who simply don't apply to Ross? With every major, by the time you get to upper level classes, your only competition is others who also major in that subject and probably didn't very well in the intro classes. Yet no one complained that all the dumb kids were weeded out by the 101 classes. There are smart kids and less smart kids in every major, including BBA.

dupont circle

March 15th, 2015 at 11:35 AM ^

Ross admissions screens for outgoing, Type-A, aggressive, assertive, gunners. I think that's why people find BBA kids so annoying; they're the boisterous, money-hungry, most aggressive kids on campus. Pre-health and engineering kids are aggressive as hell too, but a different vibe, more subdued, IMO.