Ross BBA Pre-admit decisions out
For those high school senior/parents of high school senior mgobloggers out there, the decisions are up in Wolverine Access. I personally didn't get in, but I'm not too bummed about it. Congratulations to everyone that was able to get in! Hopefully mgoblog will be well represented in the BBA class.
March 13th, 2015 at 10:10 PM ^
so to get through it i swiped a piece of "M" stationery and wrote to the publisher to get an instructor's manual. i was able to get all the weekly work done by copying it out of the book. i booted all 4 mid-terms (2 per semester) but would basically memorize the book and reverse engineer the problems for the final. ended up with A-'s in accounting, my least favorite subject, and that was fine with me.
b-school is good, but you can do just fine without it. incidentally OP, great attitude. that is alot more important than whether you got into b-school.
March 13th, 2015 at 11:04 PM ^
Your degree should be revoked.
March 13th, 2015 at 11:41 PM ^
OP - did not see you were an applicant. Don't worry, there's lots of great degrees at michigan and you can be successful as long as you have the ambition and drive, which it seems you already do. Best of luck.
but is more of a humorous story these decades later.
and before 'hacking' was even a word, i reprogrammed our computer at the b-school so that our bank would have slightly better returns than the others we competed against in finance classes that had the early monte-carlo programs about banking. required that i knew how the computer programs worked, the programming languages, all sorts of skills utilized in real world terms. it was the open prarie at that time, no rules, no parameters, just get it done.
and while we're at it, i took tests for my team mates. there were a couple guys on my hockey team that had some of the b-school classes and they knew i knew that stuff. so i took the occasional extra stats or econ test now and again, to help out a buddy. i was a teenager, or maybe 20, young and foolish and would not do that again, but there you have it nearly 35 yrs later...
That's awesome. I would definitely hire you over one of these complainers (tho maybe not as an accountant...)
Coach Harbaugh would not approve of your behavior. I suspect he would kick your ass out the door so fast the seat of your pants would still be trying to catch up.
and would've said nothing to us, as his elders. i didn't know him well, but thought he was a good guy, obviously a very good qb.
You embody (I guess) both the ingenuity that makes good business leaders and the callous disregard for the rules that makes these "antics" so discouraging to the rest of us who weren't "disruptive" enough to elaborately cheat our way to a grade.
This is pretty much how I expect every B school kid reacts the moment they're asked to do any mathematics.
March 14th, 2015 at 12:05 AM ^
Pre-admit just means you're accepted to Ross as a high school senior. The OP will still be able to apply next winter, as a freshman. 20% from the BBA class are pre-admit (80-100 out of 500). It's a big deal because:
#1 You can safely party a bit. Lots of freshmen get to school with Ross intentions and squander if by the end of fall because they killed their GPA. Need around a 3.7 GPA to be a competitive freshman applicant.
#2 Historically, the pre-admit members of the class dominate the top of the class up through graduation, i.e. very unlikely those polished kids are going to fall from the top 20% of the class overall. So those high honors gunners rake the most prestigious internships and full-time offers. In other words, at 17-y.o. you're basically all but guaranteed $10K+ summer internships and an $80K a year offer when you graduate. Kind of stuff any parent dreams of for their kids.
Don't worry about it as I am sure you know that for all the kids that graduate from Ross, only about 10% came in via pre-admit and the remaining came in mostly sophomore year.
March 14th, 2015 at 12:14 AM ^
B-school curve. 80% gets a B or better (at least that's how it used to be)
March 14th, 2015 at 12:02 AM ^
March 14th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^
You have a U-M dual JD/MBA? Solid. You regret the years it took for the JD? Oddly enough, you can't really get into a top straight MBA program directly after undergrad.
I've noticed a lot of Ross BBA kids ended up in law school. Those cozy b-school grades certainly help with law school admissions.
March 14th, 2015 at 12:24 AM ^
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I was a BBA pre-admit and as much as I loved Ross the arrogance in the pre-admits in particular was almost unbearable, you're at Michigan fergodsakes we're all obviously smart I mean we chose the greatest school in the world
Also, to all those who do get in, my LSA classes were incredbly interesting and rewarding - take advantage of ALL the Michigan resources and spread your knowledge out, there are professors on that campus that will impact your life forever, don't limit yourselves!
March 13th, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^
/ old man speak
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March 14th, 2015 at 12:12 AM ^
I said this above but there's no cushier major with guaranteed pay than the Ross BBA. Engineering students can make bank interning and full-time offer but they're all grinds for 4-5 years of college. Ross students with decent GPAs have $10K internships and $80K job offers, all in prime cities, and an otherwise light undergrad.
Don't get me wrong a CS from LSA or CoE probably makes more money, but they put in twice the effort in college. Pre-health headed to medical school is perhaps more occupational prestige, but again, at least twice as hard, and they don't make real money until they're 28-y.o. Ross kids make more than the average middle class parent at 22-y.o.
I didn't even realize there was a pre-admit B-school program at Michigan. Is it a new thing?
Anyway, good luck/congrats/ah you'll still get a chance to everyone.
March 13th, 2015 at 10:24 PM ^
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March 14th, 2015 at 12:00 AM ^
My mom was a high school accounting teacher who taught college accounting classes on the side. Needless to say accounting was never going to be a problem for me.
Much to her disappointment, being an engineer I never ended up taking an accounting class.
It did seem to be a confusing subject for a lot of people. But then again, so did quantum physics.
March 14th, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^
My daughter was not admitted. Someone pour me a drink....
At least she was accepted into LS&A. It's still the odds-on-favorite.
I just read a great article in the New York Times by Frank Bruni about the insanity surrounding college applications. I know you've been through it with your daughter but perhaps it's worth a read to keep you steady when you go through it with your son.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
March 15th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^
Frank Bruni graduated from UNC-Chapel Hill ("Public Ivy" peer of U-M) and has an Ivy League masters from Columbia. So a guy who parlayed those pretty elite academic credentials into the most prestigious journalism job in the world (op-ed columnist for The Gray Lady) is telling parents it doesn't matter where their kids go to college? That's rich.
Nobody's saying it's the end of the world if you don't get into an elite school, e.g. denied from Duke, go to U-M; or denied from U-M, go to State. But to deny that a more elite school doesn't give you a leg up is absurd. It's a credential and experience that impacts you professionally and socially from age 18 until you die.
I guess it depends on your definition of success. Mine doesn't have a mandatory "must work at top firm in chosen field" or "must make X amount of dollars" tag attached to it. I'm old enough to have seen so many different kinds of success. And I can tell you in hindsight, my Michigan degree had absolutely nothing to do with any success I've had professionally. It didn't get me in the door, it didn't connect me to people in my industry, I don't think anyone even looked at that on my resume. So while people in engineering or business might need the elite label, a lot of other people in other professions don't in order to be successful.
You can always try for an MBA later at Ross. If you do, major in something other than straight business in undergrad. They love to see the combination of an MBA with some non-business related undergrad, as long as you can show some kind of "leadership".
Current Sophomore in the b-school. I didn't apply pre-admit and applied freshman year. Focus on Econ/Stats/Calc type classes and fill the schedule with Psych 111s and get a good GPA. You'll be good.
A lot of hate on the B School in this thread. While the curve is friendly, one thing most people do not take into account is that the majority of applicants get rejected, and the kids eating up the bottom of the curve in LSA and engineering classes are not present in Ross classes.
March 14th, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^
bomb out to LSA by junior year.
March 14th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^
March 15th, 2015 at 11:35 AM ^
Ross admissions screens for outgoing, Type-A, aggressive, assertive, gunners. I think that's why people find BBA kids so annoying; they're the boisterous, money-hungry, most aggressive kids on campus. Pre-health and engineering kids are aggressive as hell too, but a different vibe, more subdued, IMO.