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Rose Bowl Open Thread
Save us Wisconsin, you're our only hope.
I made my pool picks based on what I thought were realistic scenarios, particularly in the case of teams I have seen more, but the Michigan alum in me would like the B1G to do something today. In this respect, I agree - save us, Wisconsin.
....when I tuned back in. I hate the Bulldogs right now, despite what I said. I know, self-inconsistency is a dangerous thing.
Sorry to say, 'cause I love the old guy. But I think this has to be the end. He can't put more than three sentences together anymore without jumbling things up.
He really needs to start throwing out the random expletives just to spice it up though. It would at least add a modicum of entertainment value to the analysis.
From what I've seen of Wisconsin, their pass D is so bad I can see Oregon racking up a lot of points. Badgers are going to have to engage in some serious clock control.
anyone have a link for a stream? stuck in mexico....
Not sure if you can access it, but since it's on ABC, you should be able to watch it through ESPN3
im blocked out down here.. my esp3 access doesnt work in mexico apparently.... ugh.
on this webpage...
I don't care whether you like how they look, they should not be allowed because of the glare.
.....the planet Ork has interstellar travel. We should not besmirch their headgear lest we offend Orson.
+1 for the Mork and Mindy reference.
Remind of texture failures in Counterstrike.
Edit: Perhaps they're an elobrate troll about how Bielma always wears those douchey mirrored sun glasses?
....for channeling his inner Ice Man.
Well, actually, you can.
Would love to watch Wiscy run it down their throats all day
Well Oregon's D doesn't look up to the challenge. We'll see if Wiscy's D if up for Oregon's O.
Well, that was easy enough.
Oregon's defense was actually helping them really. I am thinking Chip Kelly came for the shootout, not the defensive struggle.
It's a bad New Years Day when only Lil Bro has managed to pull out a bowl win so far.
Wisconsin came to play. They've historically been a good bowl team. Don't count them out today.
Hopefully Wisc can return some of the face we lost today with MSU being the only team that didn't lay an egg. That being said, Nebraska played a pretty good game, and I still think they are an excellent addition to our conference.
My cable box thinks Wisconsin is 11-1. Maybe that loss to MSU didn't happen.
Perhaps your cable box is a revisionist?
Wisconsin's JV secondary is going to have a tough day here.
....it the B1G Championship Game, except with Oregon.
The issue is that in this heat, Wisconsin's 300 pounders will be dead by the 3rd quarter.
It's 80, not 100, and the sun isn't pounding as it's not direct. Once the sun goes behind the mountains sometime in the 3rd quarter or earlier, it will cool very quickly.
The temperature drops really quickly in SoCal after dark. It is a desert.
Wisconsin's line isn't going to be the problem here. It's LaMichael James, et al.
The shootout is on.
Ohio I agree, State, not so much. Honestly, as long as we're going well, which we deffinatly are now, we won't be competing with them in recruiting much. They'll get a few good recruits, but they are mostly strong leans to begin with. The vast majority of MSU players will not have UM offers. We will compete with Ohio for recruits much more often.
Rose Bowl! It's Oregon cheerleader time!
A good group.
Where's the video game starring your avatar? I'd like to play it...
I wish there was one. I would want it to be like Grand Theft Auto.
Which defense can get that crucial one defensive stop this game? Cause I think there might only be one.
Those helmets are sweet.
Only thing missing is a flux capacitor.
i think they look like goatse helmets.
Oregon sure does always have sweet unis
Monte Ball told Boyett that he could have some.
It's like both these teams just recruit 2* DBs or something...
great extended play to the checkdown... er ... guy leaking out of the backfield
...you know that you shouldn't leave, say, 15 yards between yourselves and one of the best RBs in the game, right?
Is he looking to the NFL? Or is it all baseball from here?
What's the O/U for this game?
The Alamo Bowl. And I take over.
It's terrible to think that the Alamo Bowl would not accommodate "the over" in a game scenario.
I love winter and all, but man does the weather look nice out there
Then I hate it.
I'd feel better if it actually snowed some instead of this rain crap lately
...the Alamo Bowl pace. They took 8:26 to get three TDs.
Did they start the game wearing capes?
It was their tribute to Pasolini films.
If Wisconsin and Michigan both win their games the Big 10 finishes 5-5 with 2 BCS wins. I'll take that considering how this was a down year for the conference.
Yeah, that'll be a pretty good year, especially (as much as I hate to say it), with MSU's win today.
We hadn't fared so badly against the rednecks. If that Georgia kicker makes the FG, we lose all games against them today. Dang I hate that league...
...for taking it to the SEC.
That's why the Big 10 can go in and beat Georgia. With the SEC West's serious oversigning, if a team has a descent coach, they're going to be incredibly hard to beat on the best of days.
Way to pull one out against GA. I'm guessing that game gave you many a mini heart attack?
I think coaches should always go for two in MSU's situation at the end of regulation. Two yards for a win seems like a no brainer rather than guarantee the other team an equal number of shots.
That said, MSU played a great second half.
...and the chances on a two-point conversion were better than 50%, then coaches would maximize points by going for two all the time (except in unusual situations where the extra extra point is near-worthless, like a tie game).
Most of the research says coaches don't maximize points so much as minimize variance.
The research also says two-point conversions are good about 40% of the time, or that's what I seem to remember from the mathlete's diary a while back.
I was thinking the opposite. They had all the momentum and had GA reeling, so ride that momentum into OT. That's a lot to risk on one play.
Wiscy can run right through their D and they go to the pass. Ugh, Bret. That is all.
Think he would have learned his lesson from last year's rose bowl...
Those helmets are really starting to piss me off.
...is for Nike to introduce a reflective silver football.
I fell like a fish mesmerized by shining things and can't look away. It also makes my cataracts act up!
They are awesome. I think the next step is to add seizure inducing LED strobe lights though.
deanthony thomas is so damn fast
Am I wrong, or was Paul Chryst drinking a beer up in the booth?
That is some serious speed. I want that.
Even though Bielema is a massive douche, I hope Wisconsin blasts Oregon and their stupid uniforms into oblivion.
Glad Ron Dayne dressed up for his induction.
Jesus Ron Dayne. You're getting put in the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. Rustle up some khakis at the very least.
I noticed the same thing. I yelled at my dog but she didn't listen, or care.
Was just going to post on this but my slow internet failed me. Moments like that make me glad I went to Catholic schools that taught me how to look presentable. It's always better to overdress than undress I say.
Overdress, then undress.
Laughed out loud at that one once I realized my mistake. Not a good one to make. Touche sir.
Even still, he's classier than Bielema will ever hope to be. 83-3 over Indiana. Really, Bielema?
is there another way to watch this? firstrowsports is down
Every sporting event you could ever possibly want to watch...
I've gotta say, if our eventual pro-style offense looks like Wisc, I think I'll be happy with it. It's effective, and is still aggresive.
Probably more like Stanford's.
I could live with that too. I haven't watched much of them this year, but last year they had a lot of variation in their play calls and offensive sets. After the late Carr years, I just want diversity and aggresive playcalling.
I was thinking how much I want Gardner to get a fifth year. Think about the offensive line talent we're recruiting, coupled with Gardner's mobility.
I think that is what I really like about this flavor of pro style. If someone like Morris falls into your lap, you can easily plug a pocket QB into the system. If you get Gardner, Robinson, or whoever they can be very effective as well.
I basically want the Wisconsin offensive with better WRs.
I like that Toon is not afraid of contact. That safety was shitting his pants.
If ESPN shows Wisconsin's cheerleaders instead of Oregon's one more time I cannot be held responsible for my actions.
Haha I think they might have heard you.
Monte Ball likes touchdowns
Agree. Well I agree now that Michigan will be running an offense like that. Last year I hated it.
Wisconsin is still sweating more. Fat insulates.
Now we're 5:08 ahead of the Alamo Bowl pace. Unreal.
Good lord. And I thought that Wisc's style would keep Oregon off the field enough to pull out a win. Guess they'll just go with the one play drives instead.
Even though the stats say they're really good, I have not been impressed with the UW defense anytime I have watched them. That could be just that I've watched the big games against good teams, but I think their stats are inflated becasue of their offense possessing the damn ball so much and putting pressure on opposing offenses to come from behind out of their comfort zone.
of Baylor. Great.
for 3 TDs and a 3-and-out.
Wisconsin does realize that if you're in the B1G you're supposed to value defense right?
They've taken the whole no speed thing to heart on defense.
So I think this kind of shows that regardless of what offensive "style" you employ, having good players to run it will make it successful. Or, playing a crappy defense.
....but it could be 28-21 in a minute or so.
To answer CRex's question about valuing defense, it seems the value of defense is being corrected by the market in these games.
EDIT: Oregon somehow gets a decent stop on a 4th and 1 play. Ducks' ball.
I thought USC.
They had exactly 35 in the USC game.
Averaging 7 yards a rush, throw on fourth and one. That was the only thing dumber than nt going for it.
Wilson (QB), Toon (WR), Byrne (TE), Oglesby (OT), and Zeitler (OG) all leave. What do you think the chances Ball (RB, jr) leaves as well?
I think it depends on how much of the offensive success comes from Chryst vs Bielma. IF Ball feels like Chryst was the brains of this show, he's likely gone. I think it is a weak draft for RBs anyway.
16.1 yards per play? Why even bother dressing the kickers for the game.
Hopefully Wisc doesn't fall below the scoring curve!
I don't know why, but if Chip Kellyis angry, I'm happy.
That's a fumble
They should review it in an Orergon helmet. I bet there are TV screens in it.
I think there are three options for the halftime score:
I honestly did not see a defensive TD coming.
What a tackle 30 yards downfield. Only Musky makes that believable.
...they never have to watch their defense for very long.
They should try and sneak one more score in before half. That is a full 30 seconds left!
I feel bad for the Oregon duck. By the end of this game, he's gonna have muscles he never even knew existed.
Wisconsin's defense is S-L-O-W.
There's the clock management I came to expect from Bielema. Why yes Brett, don't spend a timeout on an Out-of-bounds play because with 19 seconds to go, you definitely will have enough time to run 3 full plays and call three timeouts.
Did Corso have another mini stroke? Something is not right with his speech
He looks like and talks like someone who just stumbled out of a nursing home and had Alzheimer's. Sad just sad
I was half-expecting a band to play "I Ran" by Flock Of Seagulls...
Even Oregon's band is decked out in full Nike gear. YUCK!
Corso was way way off on gameday this morning. He couldn't figure out the difference between Oklahoma and Ohio State...twice he picked Oklahoma to beat Florida..
You have to be kidding! I am at work so I am watching the ESPN game cast thing. This is absurd.
by Taylor. I would think you're only chance is to throw yourself at the blocker and hope you make a pile.
My eyes are bleeding.
Watch the SEC West tie brea ... I mean the " National Championship" next week. Should be an awesome 6-3 game.
35-28 Oregon. Wisconsin is either seriously overrated defensively or they just cannot compete with anyone remotely athletic on an opposing offense.
Completely overrated. UW's offense takes time away from other teams and scores, thus forcing other teams into uncomfortable situations where they must score quickley. Guess what team is completely OK with that?
After Nebraska, which isn't great, what was the best offesne UW played? Sparty? Northern Illinois?
Oregon's D doesn't look any better
To LSU??? Oh that's right they played a real defense... Jesus this is going to turn into the Alamo bowl
Washington held Oregon to 34.
Baylor and U W
...held Oregon to 34. The same Washington we saw in the Alamo Bowl.
montee ball has balls of steel.
Is absurdly fast. I don't think I have ever seen anyone accelerate the way he does. On both of his scores, it was completely obvious that no one could possibly catch him. Just terrifying speed.
See the Stanford and USC games for further evidence. Wisconsin is especially embarrassing, though.
Lol, that's awesome!
They should have to go for two like in triple overtime.
Wisconsin is dominating the Time Of Possession statistic and KEEPING THEIR DEFENSE OFF THE FIELD. Good for them!
....could be fatal in this game. Then again, maybe not.
This one is a toss-up right now, in my opinion. Sh*t defense makes a game hard to predict.
...Wisconsin is down a service break.
Good lord. Bielema = Richt. What an effing tool.
is no way to go through life, Bret.
Charlie Weis would tend to disagree
brett bielema is the worst time manager in the history of college football. I bet this comes back to hunt him as always.
you might be right, definitely 1a and 1b. i'll let you choose...
Huge stop for the badgers.
They think Oregon's faking injuries to slow down the Badgers' speed.
Take out the entire starting lineup at Oregon to W
White's a good back, and I think he was something like a yard/carry worse than Ball. That's a pretty good measure of how good Ball is.
White's no ball.
This is ridiculous... Big play after Big play... Didn't the defenses prepare for this game? Or just the Offenses.
If Wisconsin wins my wife will probably beat me in the bowl pick em contest.
If all the uniform combinations affect Oregon's ability to tackle or play any sort of defense.
Or if it affects them with all the turnovers.
Wow, no effort to deflect the ball at all by the DB.
Boy I don't even know if I want to accept that against this offense.
That a way, Wisky!
Another 28 points still?
in 4 overtimes.
Hey the way this thing is going anything is possible!
Classless Wisconsin fans trying to start the wave during an injury timeout.
This is highly entertaining. I will say last year's Illinois game was heart wrenching though.
I like that Ball will take on all comers as it pertains to taking hits on a run.
Are they not actually wearing the 'Rose-Pedel' numbers on their jerseys? If they are it is literally not noticable. I'm kind of dissapointed I keep looking for a difference on the jersey and I just don't see it.
Am I just crazy?
It's there, just not very obvious. Wait for a closeup and look for slightly wavy numbers.
I guess I'll wait until after the game and zoom in on pictures because I'm just having a hard time seeing them even when there are close ups.
I'm still a fan of stamping big old Roses on the shoulder pads.
definitely more evident on the helmets than on the jerseys.
There's some stiching in the numerals, and a similar effect in the W on the helmets to mimic rose pedals. Perhaps, the point was not to have anthing drastically different.
He's 75, I could have sworn I saw him.
I think you are right. That was him
...and still a quarter to play.
if there is one thing i can appreciate about Michigan D, its open field tackles. Kovacs saved us so many times this season.
From a friend at Pitt:
"I just keep telling myself we're hiring the Wisconsin OC, not the DC."
....he could always bring the DC along, but would you notice in the Big East?
EDIT: 3 plays and Oregon is at midfield again. Sadly, with this defense, 12 minutes left is not "we just put this game away" territory.
I really want to know what the DB coaches on both these teams do. I've seen so many plays where the DB is right there but doesn't try to rake the ball or anything. He just kind of stands there as the WR pulls it in.
....and I am merely an observer in this game.
Only GERG could claim that inertia was a backfield strategy. There is no excuse for others.
I want to know about the DL coaches too - how is it that you can live with yourself and bring NO pressure up front, disappear on almost every rush and give up 7 or 8 yards on dive plays? Why are you on that sideline?
Wisconson's D-Line at least redeemed itself with that strip sack and they get decent pressure on their 5 man rushes. Hopson must be coaching their LBs though. Wisconsin's LBs just kind of wander around in space and never come within 5 yards of an Oregon player...
Wisconsin would be better served if they had cows as defensive backs. At least they would take up space and they wouldn't lose that much speed.
I've been driving all day and just got home so I missed all the games so wow the big ten has sucked today. Here's to another year of hearing about how down the big ten is
Seems like a Defense optional game like this is considered good football by the experts whereas the LSU-BAMA 9-6 offense optional slugfest is considered bad football.
Both kind of suck
ESPN has a bunch of ex QBs as announcers. So they like the offensive highlight porn. I played DB in high school, so this is like having teeth pulled for me. I can just imagine my old coach having a seizure.
I think Wisconsin's offensive line of "players that should weigh 290 but have an extra 30 pounds of fat each" are finally getting gassed in the heat. Oregon's quick little guys are starting to penetrate. Assuming Oregon's secondary doesn't collpase I think they walk out of here with a win.
Careful -- you just obliquely insulted MANBALL.
I know you're joking, but if you're gonna do manball you gotta do manball. Wisconsin should have pulled out some clock killing drives early in the game if they wanted to manball it up. Instead they got suckered into trading TDs with the Ducks.
I love how people keep saying this, there is absolutely no humidity there. It's in the 70's now. I wouldn't describe that as heat.
This is how the Wash St game ended with no time
the kind of shit that happens to Big Ten teams out there.
Is kind of expected though. Oregon is built to win shootouts so this whole game has been in their favor.
are expected, but UW's driving for the potential game tying TD, hits a guy wide open and he fumbles along the sideline and the ball just sits there waiting for UO to recover. THAT'S the kind of shit that happens to Big Ten teams out there.
Oregon ball after the fumble. Granted, 4:06 is an eternity in this one.
I can't believe that happened. Ball can't roll out of bounds. It has to sit there.
Was the goat in Oregon's two biggest losses this year. First he mistimed his jump on the MSU hail mary, and then he fumbled on what could have been the Rose Bowl game tying drive.
didn't really mis-time his jump in the MSU Hail Mary. Rather, he couldn't back up to make a jump that would have mattered, because his teammate Marcus Cromartie was behind him, in the spot to knock down the ball. But just before the ball arrived, Cromartie was knocked down; pushed from behind by BJ Cunningham, who should have (but wasn't) called for offensive pass interference.
Watch that replay. Watch it 20 times, as slow as you can slow it down and from as many angles as you can find. I'm right about Cunningham's shoving Cromartie from behind. The Badgers know it; I know it. Cunningham got away with murder on that play.
...it had nothing to do with Abbrederis' early leap. He was already in the air when the push occurred.
Of course, BJ Cunningham's offensive interference on Cromartie didn't affect Abbrederis' leap.
And, Abbrederis might have jumped just a split-second too soon. But he made a huge jump, and nearly got a hand on it. By any reckoning, Abbrederis' leap was huge. I'm not so sure that a perfect leap by Abbederis could have gotten him to the ball. It was a damned near perfect leap as it was. The play didn't succeed for MSU based on a bad jump by Abbrederis.
The real problem on the play was that the ball fell to Cunningham (and bounced off his face mask), and the guy who was directly in front of Cunningham, in perfect position to play the ball, was Marcus Cromartie (#14), who was shoved in the back by Cunningham and was on the ground by the time the ball arrived. That's what made the play; it was the difference-maker. And it wasn't even close, as to whether it was illegal contact with the ball in the air. It absolutely was.
This was the worst no-call of the year in the Big Ten Conference; every bit as bad as the refs' butchery of the last seconds of Michigan-Iowa game.
That extra timeout would be pretty useful right now, wouldn't it Brett?
I think Bret has shown that he can no longer be trusted with timeouts. He should have those privliges revoked.
Oregon trying to do the power run on Wisconsin (when Wisconsin is ready for it) is just plain cute. Of course on 3rd and 10, Oregon will just throw for an 11 yard gain.
Would be nice to have more than one timeout left.
A smarter LB would have pushed the Ducks RB out of bounds there. Instead of taking him to the ground.
Wisky took the "Sparty No!" moment from the Spartans by way of a hex Dantonio used involving Worthy's Missouri tattoo and a duck.
Come on Wisconsin! We need another B1G win today
Why does Bielema look like he's always talking out of the side of his mouth?
....if you're Oregon, why not just go for this 4th and 5 or so and put it away? Punting seems overblown at this point.
That would have been hilarious.
88 yards in 16 seconds. No timeouts.
Let's do this.
This reminds me of the OSU/Wisconsin ending. Hopefully Wilson can get the pass off here
I don't know guys, no one can win with :23 left in a game with a long way to go...
Would 30 seconds plus Denard do?
Why spike that Luke Fickell?
Why the hell did Toon not stay down for an injury TO? Why the hell did they just spike it? Jesus Wisconsin.
Wouldn't there have been a 10-second runoff if Toon had stayed down? Or is that an NFL rule only?
The NCAA rulebook from 2010 doesn't say anything about a 10 second runoff. Can't find the 2011 copy though.
They have the outdated rulebooks available for download but if you want the current version you have to buy it. I was hoping there would at least be a list of 2011 rule changes but I can't find it.
I don't know how it works in this case, but if you have timeouts left inside of 2 minutes and you get hurt, the injury timeout costs you a timeout. That's to prevent teams from doing a ND-esque fake injury in order to stop the clock. Furthermore, if you call a timeout you don't have, then it's a 15 yard penalty. So maybe an injury timeout would have cost them 15 yards? I'm just speculating here, but either way, they wouldn't get off scott-free
He disn't even get the spike off in time!
I can't believe they tried to spike it. Holy shit, where is the coaching?
Holy crap. This would really suck for Wisconsin if they say the clock ran out
The spike was obviously too late. Hell, I thought it was unlikely they would even snap it in time. Only a coach as derpy as Bielema would call for a spike in that situation.
explain to me how Michigan State managed to have the ball on the field at :01 and spike it in time 10 years ago, yet Wisconsin was unable to do it in :02 tonight. Oh wait, because it's IMPOSSIBLE.
Because it takes less time to snap and spike it when you're playing at home.
Ryan Leaf says of course you can't spike it in two seconds.
Once again Bielema can't manage time right...
wasted a timeout and didn't run a play, thats just bad coaching.
WHAT THE F DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU TRY TO SPIKE THE BALL WITH 2 SECONDS LEFT BIELEMA???
Brett is a moron.
Beilema is an absolute idiot. He should rightly catch a ton of fire for that dumbass call.
Who spikes the fucking ball with 2 clicks???? Wow
Holy shit wisky. What the hell was that?!
How bout calling for a throw to the end zone, not a spike, with :02 left?
Great job Wisconsin..great game
There is no Spartan Bob to help you out, Wisconsin.
Beilema is a massive tool. I don't mind the Badgers losing.
Wow, that was a really terrible showing by Beilema
Not the man you should be learning clock managment from
Ummmm no Bret Musburger. I believe Alabama gave LSU their best game of the year. 9-6 trumps 40-27.
Stop with the Oregon love fest.
Complete and utter stupidity.
Just told their players to run same play again if less than 3 secs left
Yeah it's not rocket science. Center snaps on 1 second left. The line pass blocks, all the eligible recievers head for the end zone.
That was the worst end to a game I've ever seen in my life!
Mike Price and Ryan Leaf say hi.
electrifying games end that way ...
that is all
I wanted UW to win as well, but if they were going to lose, then that was by far the best outcome. A loss you can pretty much put right on Bielema. I really dislike him.
Announcer: Coach Bielema, you called for a spike and cost your team a chance to tie the Rose Bowl. What are you going to do next?
Corch Dumbass: I'm going to Sizzler, bitches!
I can't stop laughing and my wife is giving me the evil eye!!!
Wisconsin lost all 3 games because of stupid coaching decisions. That's funny to me.
Bret Bielema is a meathead.
He has a head.
Which is full of meat.
Dead from the neck up.
last game of career is a stupid spike
then realied that this is the 98th Rose Bowl. Funny though that this one and '98 ended the same way though. Good job by both teams. We'll see you both in the B10CG and Rose Bowl next year!
Do NOT spike the ball when you're losing and have mere seconds left.
Do you think Bret gets a little flack on Wisky blogs tonight?
but I am glad for Oregon for the Rose Bowl win - 95 years is a long time.
Let's look at the games:
1. Wisconsin was very competitive with Oregon and a "typical" mistake cost them the game - the error in not knowing what can be challenged or not and cost them a time out, the fumble after a great long pass and arguably having to go for a FG taking them to 31 was largely due to Ball slipping on the 2nd down play when they were in deep.
2. MSU showed great heart and came back to beat Georgia when it would have been easy for them to cave. Yes, Georgia made mistakes but these were not flukes.
3. OSU lost to Florida, but they were also in that game and frankly playing for an outgoing coach with all of the distractions they did OK. Strange play calling - when early on they were running the ball well and essentially kept Florida off the field for most of the 2nd quarter.
4. Nebraska - looked like Nebraska we played. They had their moments, but are a one dimensional team. When forced to do more and do it consistently they couldn't do it.
5. PSU - seriously distracted and messed up due to the worst college sports scandal of all time. Worse than the worst gambling scandal. Worse than the worst alcohol or adult sex scandal. And they played that way.
It seemed to be the talking point of so many of the commentators that the "B10 is weak". Yet after looking at the games, Three of the games were winnable and MSU did win. OSU and Wisconsin were within one or two plays from being the victors. Nebraska and PSU were the only ways which look out of sorts but frankly they looked that way all season against the better B10 teams.
The conference looks average, which is fine with me. Nobody so far this bowl season has looked particularly good. Big 12 looks like a conference with oodles of offense and no defense. The Pac-12 the same. Big 10 looks like a bunch of 8-4, 9-3 teams that can beat anyone but don't have an immense number of playmakers. The SEC looks the best, but that also feels a little like a mirage given some of the match-ups, and frankly we all know about the oversigning. I find it funny that of the SEC/B1G games today, the two involving SEC teams that don't oversign - FLA and UGA - were pretty competitive and actually featured teams with offensive and defensive holes.
I'm sure we'll hear about how down the B1G is this year and going forward, but they look average. I'm okay with that.
1) Wisconsin gave up 621 yards of offense on 64 plays. I know their defense isn't very good, but those are Alamo Bowl numbers right there. And they are the best team in the conference.
2) Congratulations to Michigan State. Could have gone either way and they made the plays to win it.
3) OSU outplayed Florida in the 2nd quarter. Once up 11, they essentially ran the clock out. Neither team is great, but it's hard to win when you give up 2 TDs on special teams.
4) Nebraska had the nice first half and then got their ass handed to them after that. It was somewhat similar to OSU-UF. A quality 1st half followed up by one team making adjustments and getting better and the other well . . not.
5) Houston had distractions as well. First, they lost the Sugar Bowl and second their coach is also leaving. And is their a great indictment of your defensive scheme than running the ball a grand total of THREE TIMES in the 1st half.
If the conference wants some respect in football it needs to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES!
...but the matchups also matter. In the 7 B1G games played thusfar, a B1G underdog lost to a higher ranked/favored opponent in five of them. Michigan State was ranked lower and getting points but won.
It is conventional on ESPN to look at conference bowl records as an indication of conference strength, but this doesn't seem to indicate much when every team in a conference is drawing higher ranked and favored opponents.
against the spread as well I believe. So not only do bettors not think much of the conference, the teams can't even cover given the benefit of points.
Its about winning big-time games. Simple as that. Until the conference can do that with any consistency, it's going to be looked down upon.
...but the point I'm trying to make is that the normal "SEC>B1G" analysis is misleadingly simplistic when factors like match-ups are excluded. Even a metric like Big Ten performance agains the spread is a red herring at this time of the year when irrational/recreational fan gamblers push the lines away from the more clinical (and predictive) "open" numbers.
Amazed that Wiscy didn't have a better plan there. You are close enough to just have all the WRs run around to the endzone, throw the ball. The refs even gave them a couple extra seconds by fumbling around with the ball before placing it. Just signal the same call and give it a heave.
I hate that Wiscy represents B1G football, because they ALWAYS do dumb stuff like this. The two games they lost this year, last year against TCU, eons under Alvarez.
i feel gross afer watching how that game ended
Rogel Goodell just threw a flag, DON'T HURT THE OFFENSE!
With exception of the PSU game, I feel like the B1G did a lot of big time choking today. Nebraska wasn't the same after the fumble inside the ten. ohio was screwed after the Posey fumble and Wisky was moving right along before the fumble with 4:00 to go. Today was embarrassing.
Congrats phill knight your professional team of bought players finaly one a big game