this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
Rodriguez Hires Magee, Gibson, and Dews
And you make this prediction of them finishing 2nd based on what?
Listed USC and 4 terrible programs. Sound good to me!
That RR will win there. Weird things happen when A coach is embraced and the DC has half a pulse.
I was reading the scrolling Twiiter feed on the right side of that link and it looks like 2 QB's are already transferring from the program. RR says: not this shit again
Notice how in the linked article RR trots out the excise that when he came to Michigan he didn't have a qb on the roster who has taken a snap. Untrue - he had mallet but couldnt convince him to stay. Also, dude, stop mentioning Michigan. The excuses are old and tired.
That's funny; I remember another time Michigan had that problem, and for a similar reason (although baseball was maybe a more wholesome habit than whatever led to Mallett's early retirement from the school).
And by God John Navarre stepped up, as did his position coach and everybody else involved. It may not have been pretty that first year but it wasn't a tire fire and he was still in there pitching, and with success, three years later.
I suppose there could be extenuating reasons for this, but it certainly does NOT support the notion that Gibson is a good secondary coach.
I get loyalty, but man find a different posting for Gibson. Compliance, academic monitoring, quality assurance, head of the film room, some kind of fancy title that involves no coaching but sounds nice.
If something ever goes wrong, good luck explaining to the NCAA why the head coach's best friend was put in charge of compliance.
I guess when RR said he wants Arizona to be his last stop he was thinking of retiring there in three years after his 118th ranked defense gets him fired.
Gibson? Really? Dude......
That's really disappointing to hear, you would have assumed he learned that Gibson can't coach for shit. I think that also means Gibson was never gettting fired at Michigan if RR had survived the axe.
I was angry when they fired RR, I couldn't be more relieved now.
Instead of hiring his pals, he should have hired a good DC and let the new DC have some say on who his defensive coaches will be. Who knows may be they will get along with his new DC!
Where do you guys think RR falls in the spectrum of coaching personalities? At this stage, he seems to be more loyal to his buddies than he is concerned about his own success - an odd thing to say about a big-time football coach.
It's not that he's not concerned about his own success, it's that he doesn't think coaching failures at any level were responsible for what happened at Michigan (well, except for Shafer). He's made it clear that he thinks they were on the right track and he predicted 10-2 for Michigan this year, which seemed to me to imply that that's what he thinks would have happened if his staff were left in place.
...but this gem comes from the Arizona scout.com board (I'm quoting the bit that's publicly available at google)
Former Memphis defensive coordinator Jay Hopson is another possibility. Hopson was removed earlier this season and currently does not have a job.
They think they're getting Casteel but they're thinking through the alternatives in case they don't.
Wasn't Forcier his only CA recruit here in 3 years? UA needs to recruit California to be successful and I don't think anybody currently on his staff has stepped foot in the state.
I guess he wants to keep hitting Florida hard.
As it stands there are assistants at WSU, UCLA, ASU, and UA all looking for jobs. I'm a little shocked he hasn't grabbed up/retained some of the best recruiters simply to help him establish himself. He keeps moving further away from the Deep South while retaining a Deep south staff. Looks like some kids from the Muck are going to the desert.
...setting himself up for some brutal recruiting travel if he really plans to continue recruiting FL kids while he's at AZ. The jet lag alone will take a significant toll versus the staffs that focus on recruiting CA, the Pacific NW, and some of the talent in TX and the Mountain/Plains states.
Cali and Texas recruits he doesn't get will be in uniforms playing for the other teams in his conference.
That cannot be true. It's almost like he's going out of his way to hire bad defensive assistants. Is GERG next on the list?
He's filling the staff with his friends--who he's sure are good coaches--and at some point he'll need to find a DC who's willing to have them as position coaches. That'll either be one of the gang, like Casteel or Hopson (but that has the drawback that when things go south one of them would have to take responsbility), or someone that doesn't mind, like a former head coach who's just happy to have a chance to stay around the game for a few more years.
With all this blackboard material that RR is throwing out there, Hoke is going to turn loose the beasts he has been recruiting and it will give a new meaning to taking someone out behind the woodshed.
We pretty much just proved the "You have to fire RR to fire Gibson theory". So I guess we test the Casteel one next.
Even worse, Gibson was Assoc DC at Pitt. What if Casteel and Hopson don't come, so RR promotes Tony up to full DC...
I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but who knows if Gibson could be a decent coordinator? Maybe he's got a skill that wasn't visible when his job was teaching technique at a specific position.
Teaching technique, game planning, program management are completely different skills. It's a problem, I think, that they're treated as stops along a career path. I remember Brian ciriticizing the consideration of Hoke because "he's never been a coordinator on either side of the ball." Good thing; he'd be a lousy coordinator IMO but he's a fabulous head coach. RR is a great offensive schemer but his management skills are...well, I can't quite come up with a word for it.
was fired as co-defensive coordinator half-way through this past season at Memphis. so its not like he's doing anything right now.
Memphis was #117 in total defense.
"Rich was going to revamp his whole defensive staff if given a chance to stay to go with his unstoppable offense." It's looking far more likely Brandon said there had to be changes and Rich said no.
Matt Barkley may want to stay for his senior year now.
think RR's defenses are awesome. Right now they are #110, and already the worst in the Pac-10. They really don't have much room to get worse..
Well they could get worse but what's really the on-field difference between 110 and 112?
They have little chance of getting substantially better with his current staff...
fix Arizona's defense?
then none of this matters.
For all the talk of how bad Gibson was here, the passing defense was fine at WVU.
If he doesn't bring in Casteel, we'll see whether Gibson was really the problem or not.
Also, the QB who is staying a 4-start dual threat who would seem to be a good fit for his offense.
Much ado about nothing.
Its really good to see all of the anti-RR guys on this thread. You know, the same guys who constantly quit telling people to stop talking about him, out in full force, talking about him.
To be fair, one of the QBs that transferred was a long way from home. Rich Rod said the transfer had "nothing to do with football" and the QB tweeted something about cancer needing to be cured. Maybe he's just leaving because his family needs him. I'd buy that.
Not much explanation for the other transfer though.
...is Daxx Garman. His backstory makes Tate Forcier seems stable, so it's not a surprise he's gone. He was declared ineligible in OK and TX in HS b/c of his between school movements.
Not saying he's a bad kid - just seems to have very involved parents and a desire to move around a lot.
They have been consistently in the top 40 or so over the years.
If you want to say he's been "good in a bad conference" then I guess there is no point in ever hiring anyone who isn't already working in the Big Ten, PAC 12, SEC or Big 12.
The problem is that Gibson has convincingly demonstrated that he isn't good. How is a DC going to cover up for a terrible secondary coach in the most pass-happy conference in the country? The Big East didn't have too many high-octane passing teams when those guys were there, other than Louisville - and Casteel's defenses always struggled to stop the Cards. In 2007, WVU beat Louisville 38-31. The year before, they lost 44-34. In 2005, they won 46-44.
In 2005 and 2007 it took them 49 and 45 attempts to get their passing yardage. They went for around 5.4 yards per attempt in 2005 and 7.5 (their average for the season) in 2007 with two picks in 2007. Not exactly unstoppable.
If we're going to use one game examples, the 2007 WVU defense held Oklahoma below their yards per game and yards per attempt in the bowl game, with a large portion of Oklahoma's yardage coming in the 4th quarter down three scores.
So like I said, we'll see if he craters Arizona.
As is, this post was more in response to Casteel being disregarded "because he was at lower level" or whatever. If that's the case, not sure why OSU hired Tressel or Michigan hired Brady Hoke.
And really: Why are you even on this thread? I seem to recall you being one of the "why are you obsessing over RR?" crowd, yet here you are, obsessing over his every move.
out of curiousity, how many kids have we lost since Hoke took over?
Seriously....the dude hired assistance coaches. What's next, Hello posts for his recruits?
No. This is totally relevant. Rich Rodriguez is hiring back an assistant coach, Tony Gibson, who coached with him at Michigan. Tony Gibson did a pretty horrible job at Michigan, with the passing defense going from 17th to 70th in one season. The fact that Rich Rodriguez is hiring Tony Gibson back suggests that he still does not Get It on defense. He is hiring a man who by all accounts is a good friend but not a good coach. We are watching Arizona to get some better insight into why Rich Rodriguez failed at Michigan (and also for his peanut butter jelly time offense, which is almost always entertaining). The fact that he is bringing back one of the same people responsible for the Great Defensive Coaching Malpractice gives insight into what the hell happened to Michigan over the past 3 years. He's also at a minor Pac-12 school hiring guys whose recruiting experience is all on the east coast, so there's that.
If we are creating entire threads about hiring non-coordinator assistance coaches, then I can safely assume that we will have Hello posts for his recruits.
I'm more interested in the gorgeous outfits Miss Rita will be wearing in the desert heat.
Those famous nachos should also be a big hit in the southwest.
I can promise you one thing. We sure as hell wouldn't be going to the sugar bowl with 10 wins under our belts.
I will go out on a limb here. I have no inside info on AZ or RRs other plans.
I can't believe RR would be so numb to his past mistakes as to hire Gibson as a D position coach BEFORE hiring a DC.
So, I think he has hired TG as a special teams guy.
But then why would Gibson leave his job as a DB coach at Pitt to coach special teams at Arizona? That'd be a definite step down.
Sorry to ruin your theory, but Gibson was hired as secondary coach. This is from an Arizona press release:
University of Arizona football coach Rich Rodriguez has named three assistants to his new Wildcat staff - Tony Gibson, Calvin Magee and Tony Dews.
All three coaches join UA from the University of Pittsburgh staff and have direct ties to Rodriguez from his previous tenures at Michigan and West Virginia. Magee will serve as associate head coach and offensive coordinator, Gibson will be Arizona's secondary coach, and Dews becomes wide receivers coach.
One former player who was back to visit during RR era told the story of his first encounter with Gibson. "I thought to myself, this dude doesn't know what the hell he is talking about."
I like RR and I apprciate his loyalty, but I think we can all agree that his defense was not well coached. Not to stray too far out on a limb, but maybe that had something to do with their coaches!
Gibson is a real problem for any DC Rodriguez hires, with the possible exception of Casteel, who has already worked as Gibson's boss. Having Gibson on staff is the equivalent of having the owner's son as your assistant manager. I wonder how much of a problem that was with Gerg, where the lines of authority and communication get blurred because of friendship and sense of loyalty. Who has the head coach's ear? It should be the DC. What if it's a position coach instead, and the DC's authority is undermined, either in perception or reality? Maybe making Gibson DC would be the best option.
And for those who are such RR cheerleaders, if the atrocious defenses at Michigan while RR was coach aren't RR's fault and aren't Gibson's fault, whose fault are they? I mean when it's 3rd and long and the defensive backfield looks like the keystone kops, running around clueless, who's fault is that?