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Please not Hoke! Anything but Hoke.
He is basically saying Hoke is my man and I want you to accept it. His 47-55 career record is good enough for me so suck it.
I can't believe that this Hoke guy is going to lead is out of the dumps.
I think it will be Hoke, and I'm okay with that - provided that they announce the SOB soon and get him recruiting.
The only thing making me think it might not be Hoke is the whole
"middle of the pack on salary"
thing. Why on earth would you pay Brady Hoke anything over $2M at MAX? You wouldn't ... so why commit to paying more?
Hey, some of us pay for that content.
Like all of the candidates, there are plusses and minuses that could be listed for Hoke. However, many people's list of minuses seem to consist of:
If you are gagging at the thought of him being the next U-M coach, please give some thought as to why. If the reasons have to do with his actual qualifications, then gag away...but if it's just the kind of thing listed above....is that really what you want to base this decision on?
Here is why I oppose Hoke:
He's 47-50 in 8 seasons as a head coach. He took over a Ball State team that went 6-6 the previous year, and proceeded to go 4-8, 2-9, 4-7, 5-7, and 7-6 in his first 5 seasons before breaking out in the 2008 season that everyone keeps referencing as the main point in his favor.
He then left for SDSU and went 4-8 in his first year. He went 9-4 this year, but his two "big" wins are over admittedly decent Air Force and Navy teams. His other wins were over Nicholls State, 2-10 New Mexico State, 4-8 Utah State, 1-11 New Mexico, 3-9 Wyoming, 3-9 Colorado State, and 2-10 UNLV. According to Sagarin, SDSU's strength of schedule last year was 91st in the country, despite having TCU, Utah, Air Force, and Missouri on the schedule.
He recently stated that he hates spread offenses because they are "basketball on grass" and took shots at the Oregon offense.
He is, like, maybe a legit candidate at Minnesota.
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declined to interview him. That's all you need to know about Hoke.
Maybe in 3-5 years, if he has continued success, legit BCS schools look at Hoke, but not as he currently stands.
The only saving grace of Hoke is that hopefully he would hire awesome assistants.
My guess is that if Hoke does stay at SDSU he'll have another good year.
They'll return 7 starters on each side of the ball. Their offense should be really good as Lindley, Hilman and 4/5 of their offensive line are back. The only difficult games on their schedule are @ Michigan, @TCU, @ Air Force and vs. Boise State. They could definitely win 9 or 10 games next year.
.....spread offenses, he didn't say that he hated them. Nor did he state that he didn't utilize portions of those offenses.
"Right, wrong or indifferent, when your zone-blocking all the time 'playing basketball on grass', you practice against that all spring, you practice against that all fall, then you play a two-back team that wants to knock you off the ball. I don't think your prepared for that.
I think there's a toughness level required in football. I still believe you win with toughness and defense. That's been beaten into my head a long time, but I really believe that. The toughness of your team has to be your offensive front and your defensive front." - Brady Hoke
Also, you mention SDSU's schedule this year, and deride the SOS and their wins, but you fail to disclose that SDSU only lost those four games by a total combined 14 points. That is just under 4pts/game that they lost by, including a 5 point loss to TCU who just handed Wisky a stinging defeat in the RoseBowl.
Hoke isn't my first choice as HC at UM, but I certainly wouldn't be dissappointed if he is named. You and the other posters disparaging Hoke without getting your facts about him straight shouldn't be dissappointed either.
SDSU's game with TCU was close didn't actually watch the game.
.....that game and it came down to the final possession. SDSU scored to bring them within 5 with nearly 5 minutes still to play. TCU got a great kickoff return and bled the clock down to win the game. SDSU led nearly the entire first quarter. Their second quarter was bad with 4 three and outs and allowing 3 TCU tds, otherwise the game might have turned out differently.
These guys are full of shit. They yank around their board members to drive traffic. They pretty much guaranteed a Harbaugh hiring say they had tons of info they would unload after it happenned....guess what....it was total bull shit. They did some interview with him last summer and he said he would want to coach Michigan. BFD! The have said they think every big candidate "Is a good possibility" but "could go the other way". NO SHIT.
I think we'll be circling in on a Hoke hire once we start to hear names crop up that are definitively worse than his, guys like Ron English or a myriad of coordinators.
Rivals has been wrong umpteen times during this coaching search. The only guy I really pay attention to at Rivals is Josh Helmholdt. Chait has good opinions, but not necessarily inside info.
But Chris Balas has been leading the charge the entire time. First it was going to be Harbaugh, then it was going to be Hoke, then Miles, now Hoke again.
I'm waiting until David Brandon calls a press conference before I formulate an opinion.
How much "inside info" concerning Hoke is really inside info and how much is wishful thinking coming from the "Carr-tel?"
'course, I don't know for sure, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.
Dunno about you guys, but I still think it's going to be Harbaugh.
I get that "gut feeling" as well after those damn tasty carnitas.
how can Hoke POSSIBLY be our head coach? it completely destroys the plan to lower the new hire from the rafters at the basketball game on Wednesday!
no, our new coach weighs no more than 245 pounds -- standard limit for zipline.
That's why they're going to use an experimental fiber fabricated from carbon nanotubes that was created in the UM Engineering School labs. It's the same basic stuff as will be used in the space elevator.
Oh, ha ha, you're making a fat joke.
You must be no older than 15.
None of this stuff carries any weight until it has a meaningful source. Those would be, as examples, Dave Brandon, the Michigan Athletic Department, the athletic deparment of a school losing its coach, or the incoming coach.
I'm loving chasing rumors as much as anyone else, but, until you can point me to a meaningful source, your gut feeling is just as important as mine or the next guy's.
With that in mind, there are people who have gut feelings about Gruden, Patterson, Meyer, Stoops, and Cowher. I'd rather have people respond to those gut feelings than the gut that says Hoke.
I truly believe now after a few posts and reading numerous blogs..paid...free..news interviews..and finally talking to my nephew (works in LSU AD) taht DB is doing all these interviews for CYA. After Hoke is hired and the fan base fractures even more, he will come out and say look at who i interviewed...Gruden..Harbaugh...Miles...etc what do you want me to do when no one wants the job?!?! This will get some of the alum off his back and a few fans...but a majority will still be livid and just might hang DB in effegy outside the AD!!
I'm just tired and worried about our program...i DONT want us to be the next ND or fall to a second, possibly third tier school...we are much to proud and rich with history to let this befall us!!
There was an article posted on Rivals earlier today that talked about other late coaching hires.
Jim Tressel was hired at Ohio State on January 17th. He seems to be doing pretty well for himself.
Let's not freak out - we've only been without a coach for five days.
Which I suppose also means I'm not a Les Miles supporter. Blargh.
However, DROB will leave and the offense will be back to square run in rebuilding a pro set offense. If it is Hoke, we will be lucky to finish .500 next season. I wonder how many years a Michigan Man will get to win the b10 title or beat OSU? I bet ya it ends up being much longer than poor RR! I'm thinking a Michigan Man gets 5 or 6 years! I can see BH being much like Bump Elliot. A coach who will take a while to rebuild and may have the occasional good year or so but also having a lot of 6 and 7 win season...perhaps some sub .500 records. Are we doomed?
I thought it was always 60% 40%?
last time I had a gut feel belly button lint appeared... but on a side note, how much is name recognation worth to recruits? I'm still getting quite a few "avid" CFB fans raise an eyebrow, scratch their head and "Hoke?.... you mean he's a VT assistant?"
My gut is telling me I shouldn't of had that gas station burrito last night.
I'm hiding my anxiousness behind humor, sorry.
This is my guess at Brandon's order of preference: First--Gruden, Narrow Second--Miles, Distant third--Hoke. I think that will be the order of pursuit. If Gruden says "pass" and Miles says "I want more money and grass put down at the big house so I can eat my pre-game salad", it wil go to Hoke who we all know will jump at the chance.
You are correct sips21, and it looks like it will be Hoke. But why did they have to hire a search firm for this?
Have to know what's out there.
My guess is that Brandon is not interested in hiring Miles, but he is interested in building consensus. Talking with Miles will help that, and appease those who really want him as coach. I fully expect Miles to come out on Tuesday and talk about how happy he is at LSU, and he wants to retire as a Tiger, etc.
Gruden is seeming more plausible, but I have to think it's the person we've heard no rumors about DB actually interviewing -- Hoke.
So . . . we've got a rumor about a gut feeling. Rivals is clearly worth $120/yr.
All I have to say is if we do end up with Hoke
1) I will support him as head coach of the Wolverines, because being non-supportive of the coach is counter productive.
2) David Brandon better not be paying him the top dollar he alluded to shortly after firing Rodriguez. Maybe Hoke is good and works his way up, but he should NOT be starting as the highest paid college coach.
Dave says we can all get together soon. He also said gourmet cheesebugers for the the presser!
PS Mikey and ron are gonna be there! Lloyd too!
I'm probably in a small minority, but I'm slowly warming up to the idea of Hoke.
You can neg him all you want for his mediocre career record. I prefer to look at it as it took him a couple years to figure out a system and run it in such a way that it produced wins. It's a pretty big jump from defensive line coach at Michigan to head coach at a D-1A school, even if it's in the MAC. His last 3 years are impressive. The great last year at Ball State, 4 wins out of no talent at SDSU, then 8 wins. No they didn't play the toughest schedule but they beat the cupcakes and were competitive in every game. This is in year 2 of a total rebuilding job. If RichRod had produced those results in his 2nd year he'd have a contract through 2020.
I like that he's a little younger than Miles. Less demonstrably crazy. Plenty passionate. He's had enough time around the Big 10 to know the culture. I haven't looked real hard but I haven't seen any former players bad-mouthing him, even anonymously.
Would he be my first choice? Nope. It'd be hard to find too many people for whom Hoke would be the first choice. But among the current crop of realistic candidates I think I like him in the abstract better than Miles, way better than Gruden or any other NFL guy.
I don't have any delusions that Hoke would unite the fanbase. I don't think there is anybody (Miles included) out there who will. Harbaugh was the only shot at that and even then there would be plenty of folks saying that he's no upgrade over Rich Rod.
Pay Hoke less than top dollar to be the head man (obviously IF Brandon thinks he's ready and if he comes in with a solid plan). More money for top shelf assistants. Do it sooner rather than later so he can still get some recruits in here. Get to work on retaining the players who are already here.
.........some make him out to be. There is a lot of disinformation out there about him too that some people are taking as gospel without actually looking into his teams. Granted, when some top names like JH or Patterson or Miles are out there, Hoke as UM's HC certainly doesn't sound all that good, but if he is named HC then I believe it won't take him long to have UM winning big again.
Have consisted of:
That's not all that impressive to me.
I will support Hoke if he's the guy.
But have we even considered Ren Hoek?
Hoke = settling.........I think DB is wise enough to know this right now. I will believe this until proved wrong.
Don't get me wrong... I'm going to support anyone UM gets for a coach, it's my school after all. However I do feel the best school deserves the best coach, and is Hoke the best we can get right now?
I will say that when Hoke was rumored to be a front runner for Minnesota, and then all of a sudden his name disappeared and they went with some old dude from Northern Illinois... I figured something was up.
Somebody told him there's a chance he'll get the Michigan job, and he's sitting tight until it is his, or somebody else's for sure.
I would assume that it was some pretty strong advice for him to pull his name out of another B1G job opening.
When Les Miles gets hired at UM and Hoke heads to LSU and wins a NC with a loaded roster next year.