Rivals forum post on MGoBlog/Brian
Behind a paywall (http://michigan.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=338&mid=144092124&sid=883&tid=144092124&style=2&Override=1), but forum posting about how good (or not good) Brian and MgoBlog is. I try and stay away from "The Fort" as the majority of posters there aren't that educated in their writing, but whatever. Just interesting as most of the people are vehement in their judgment of Brian in his problem with the Hoke hire.
MGoBlog FTW. Hands down the most intelligent sports blog I have ever come across. It's not like Brian is the only opinion here; plenty of people 'round these parts are giving Hoke the love.
Come and get it biatches. Mgoblog > Mgoboard >> Rivals
The new, new math.
I also feel our top commentators are on par with anything ESPN is churning out these days.
Definitely. Although to be fair, all it requires is some originality and not relying on internet meme's and rumor.
ESPN is terrible. They will say anything to get ratings. I get all my M news from my fellow MGoBlog brothers/sisters.
Not everyone agrees with Brian anyway, although most of us respect his opinion and what he has done for the M community at large.
mgoblog > haloscan > mgodiaries > mgoboard > a pile of shit > Rivals
References to the Haloscan days! Most around these parts were never witness to the great handle-Jack war that started many of the MIchigan related blogs since.
Woow, I have lost more points then the Dow-Jones since my last comment.
I think your points might be expiring. Brian had a META post about it last week.
Yep. I lost over 100k in the great mgopoint expiration.
Haloscan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mgoboard.
/Shoutout to the old timers
Word. The blog that Yost built still uses haloscan.
Bring back the negs that count and most of the noise here will be gone.
Who cares what those neckbeards think? They're just bitter that they're giving Rivals $100/year for the same shit that is available here for free.
That attempting to read David Foster Wallace would make their brain trickle slowly from their nose.
that people can reference Wallace and most know who he is or have read him. So I agree. HOWEVA, at the same time a post like this as a comparative is ripe for satire in itself.
wasn't deserved.
Our board's mods would beat their mods in a fist fight or an internet slap fight any day.
Has a bigger penis than they do over there. Even the women.
To be fair DFW sometimes makes my brain trickle from my nose too.
Too much of your diaries makes me trickle from the nose sometimes.
That's by design -- AdTracker can't tell the difference between someone spending a ridiculously long time on a page and a guy passed out on his keyboard.
Bingo. Rivals lost me as a subscriber when tomvh became a regular contributor and when Josh helmholdt was openly pining for rich to be fired during the uconn game.
Kinda says it all, no?
Rivals doesn't like us? Whatever shall we do?
with both of you. Just funny considering the loyalty they pay to balas and helmholdt. I think there is less of a undying allegiance to the moderators here. Smart kids over there
Or does he just do the print stuff?
Honestly it was only a week or two that he was really bad/emotional and negative about it. I think in the past weeks hes been more than fair and objective about how things have been going.
Also, I agree with other sentiments that while Brian is the king of the blog, there are plenty of other opinions being openly shared.
Brian (and I) is that his criticism was about the process, not Hoke himself - he hated that our supposedly national coaching search consisted of basically considering Harbaugh, Miles and Hoke.
I was pissed off about that too. The idea that the whole michigan man thing had more to do with having spent time in ann arbor rather than character/coaching ability itself frustrated Brian.
Had Hoke been hired after DB interviewed all the bright coaching candidates who would have loved to coach here and had the character to me a michigan man, I'm sure he wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Also, very few could have foreseen the Mattison hiring.
I'll get off his balls now, but in short I think he's been fair and objective the whole time.
you had no patience...
The criticism of the process was overblown because fans acted like they had a right to know about everything publicly...Well that and lots of folks like to bitch and whine.
And it is not surprising that some Rivals or Scout posters whine about other sites...but much like not everyone agrees on everything here, it is pretty certain that there are many a differing opinion there.
Bottom line, Go Blue!
That's not what he's saying.
The only post I have in mind is the "We are ND" video that he posted directly after it happened. I just didn't think that was necessary. But looking back, you're correct he was more upset with the process than the hire. So in summary, I don't disagree with you. I wasn't trying to bag on Brian, more just pointing out that the rivals article posted above is way off.
Freekbass as a knee-jerk reaction to Hoke was a little over-the-top, even for Brian.
It was prescient.
Hold on a second. Hoke has gotten a better shake here so far than RR did in a lot of places. I'm not defending some of the things Brian said (or the banner immediately after Hoke was hired) but Brian is back to being reasonable; something that wouldn't suggest irrational hate for Hoke.
You may be right, but to me, neither saying with obviously incorrect (in hindsight) overconfidence that Hoke wouldn't be hired nor referencing a joke post (if it's a joke, it's not serious, right?) is necessarily a criticism of Hoke, is it?
I guess it's a fine line. If I criticize a process that brings a sub-.500 coach to one of the two most storied programs in college football, is that a criticism of the hire or the process?
April 25th, 2011 at 12:04 AM ^
In practice it was both and there's nothing wrong with that. When your team doesn't land a blue chip All-American recruit you still support the guy who comes in his place.
RR's was not. One coach came in with many wins, BCS games and all that. The other comes in with a .485 winning percentage.
Of course, winning cures all. Hoke lacks credentials, unless you count 'getting it.'
Fair point. But, with our tradition, perceived 'getting it' is an important factor. Especially at the top sport in our program. Did RR get it. Absolutely, but it's football, every thing is picked apart. Look at Coach Hutchins, I dare someone to say she doesn't get it and she is an MSU alum.
I was annoyed about the process, but now when I look at things, I can't blame DB. Look at who he has to cater to.
Well, when you say it like that...
The truth is, Rich Rod's resume might be viewed as suspicious as well, especially when you considered the transition to the spread offense. Rich Rod had a good record, but to be accurate...as a head coach, he did well in the Big East. To my mind that doesn't grant for half the reputation for dominance some people ascribe to him. The Big East...they're just not that good! And I say this from a position within the Big East.
Hoke? Hoke has a reputation for turning junker programs around. What that means for the future, I have no notion.
Brian Kelly, Bobby Petrino, RR, Bobby Bowden...all of these guys came out of the Big East and were hired into big time enviroments. That 3/4 of them seem to be doing extremely well (or already have, in Bowden's case) would mean that the Big East is a good recruiting ground for coaches.
Bobby Bowden never spent a single second of his career coaching in the Big East.
I'll add as well that the jury is very much out as to how Brian Kelly will perform at the next level. Notre Dame always has the advantage of being able to pull in excellent recruits (for whatever reason), and the program was so far down nobody was going to fight a new hire. But whether he can turn the Irish back into a dominant program is a matter of claim at this point.
WSJ.com - That Big East Coach May Not Be Your Mr. Fix-It
OCTOBER 25, 2010 That Big East Coach May Not Be Your Mr. Fix-It Perhaps former Big East coaches, like financial products, should come with a disclaimer: Past performance is no guarantee of future results. It's far too early to give up on Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly, of course. But the Fighting Irish's decisive loss to Navy on Saturday is the latest reminder that Big East coaches—no matter how brilliant they looked in that conference—are by no means a sure thing. The Big East's current membership has had six permanent head coaches go on to lead other college or NFL teams since 1991, when the conference began play in football. Of those, only Mark Dantonio (who previously was at Cincinnati) has had much success. Mr. Dantonio is 30-17 at Michigan State, including an 8-0 record and No. 5 Associated Press ranking this season. And former Rutgers coach Doug Graber won the 2003 NFL Europe title. Otherwise, it's mostly been ugly at the coaches' next college job. Former Pittsburgh coach Paul Hackett lasted three years at Southern California. Walt Harris, another former coach of the Panthers, got just two at Stanford, going 6-17. Rich Rodriguez, formerly of West Virginia, is 13-18 through 2½ seasons at Michigan. Ex-Louisville coach Bobby Petrino went 3-10 with the Atlanta Falcons before bolting for Arkansas. Although the Razorbacks are ranked 19th in the AP poll, he's 7-13 in Southeastern Conference games. While at Cincinnati, Mr. Kelly won 10 games in his first season and the conference title in his second. But after Saturday's 35-17 loss to Navy, the Irish are 4-4, after a 6-6 record last season. Maybe those cautious hopes for a quick turnaround in South Bend were unrealistic. —Darren Everson
He coached a Big East team though. What exactly is the difference when you're looking at coaches? The school is indicitave of the conference.
My point is that success at a lower level of competition may or may not translate to success at a higher level. My point, specifically, is that the quality of Rich Rod's resume has been greatly overstated. He was dominant for a very brief time at a weaker level.
The only point I'm trying to make is that the assertion that criticism of Hoke is any more justified that criticism of Rich Rod based on the "clear" disparity of their resumes is itself unjustififed. Any coaches past must be considered with a greater degree of particularity. For example, people cite Hoke's losing record. Well...you try getting a winning record at Ball State. I'd like to see Zombie-Bo try to get a winning record at Ball State. The fact that Hoke ever turned Ball State around might be seen as a greater accomplishment than getting WV to a BCS berth through a conference which should NOT be an AQ. It's all apples and oranges, really.