In the article above, LA DB Darren Kitchen mentions Fred Jackson said they will be running a 4-3.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
In the article above, LA DB Darren Kitchen mentions Fred Jackson said they will be running a 4-3.
So much good news makes me want to freak out and start a pos-bang party!!!!
Lot of good news tonight. Hopefully it keeps rolling...
FWIW, I would +1 you, if I could. NICE!
Ask and you shall receive.
As I said I would - with my newfound ability to +1, here you are, sir.
Love to start my day with this
It's hard to picture that voice with that guy.
If it weren't for the laughs, I don't think I would've made it all the way to the 45 second mark. And, was that Levert in there? Not sure. Whoa.
pos bang please?
in all honesty one of the best hires we could make
Praying they will be smart and put Roh back at DE...maybe it will even give Campbell a realistic chance to succeed.
If Campbell is going to be playing alongside Martin, instead of substituting then I can't see how it wouldn't help! With our lack of experienced linebackers, this is definitely the scheme we need to run. Pressure up front to help out our secondary.
I'm almost certain we'd start QW over BWC.
for that suggestion, I'm sure Roh will stay at DE. Surely he will understand the wisdom of suggestions from the MGoBorg. BTW, I couldn't agree with you more either.
We definitely need a NT to step up (looking at you Will Campbell and Quinton Washington). RVB is not a DT and Mike Martin would be put to better use as a 3-tech DT rather than a NT in the 4-3.
Maybe Ash steps up but I would realistically expect Campbell and Washington to be more ready considering that they will be entering year 3 of a college strength and conditioning program.
Does anybody know what kind of 4-3 Mattison runs (over, under, stack, etc.)?
Someone alert Jernigan
about 3 months ago, when the doubt started to creep in
That's very good news. I'm sure the 3-3-5 could be a wonderful defense, but I hope we never, ever try that ever again.
Cheers to that!
That's what she said (the last part).
Hoke probably ran the 3-3-5 at SDSU because that's what his DC was familiar with. New Gerg I believe has always run a 4-3 primarily(Ive seen him enough being a Steelers fan), and I dont care what Ravens fans say, he ran a VERY good defense there. Him and Hoke are going to make RVB/Martin/Roh/Black beastly.
Please do not call him GERG. There can only be one man that is so turned around on defensive schemes that the letters in his name get jumbled around too.
Force of habit brosef. Two years of calling our DC who in reality is named Greg, it kind of sticks with you when our new DC is also called Greg.
interesting scheme you have there. Something tells me this isn't going to happen.
The 3-3-5 IS INDEED a wonderful defense...to play offense against.
especially if you run power ball with 2 TE's and a FB.
We didn't really run the 3-3-5. It was more a bastardized version of it; our defense just happened to have 3 linemen, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.
When I watched some SDSU games to see how a Hoke/Borges offense looked, I couldn't help but notice their 3-3-5 and how effective it was. Every play featured at least one (and usually more) LBs blitzing into a gap. Furthermore, when the LBs weren't blitzing, they were filling gaps very aggressively (i.e. they were running north and south rather than the side-to-side movements of our LBs last year). And also, the LBs were always lined up 5 yards from the LOS to avoid getting caught in the wash and also giving them time to pick up some speed before taking on a blocker.
Our defense sucked, no doubt about it, but it wasn't because the 3-3-5 sucks. It can be a good defense when run properly.
Good news 4-3, bad news Daren Kitchen over Lucien...but +1 anyways!
It says there's a chance he gets offered but i still don't see it happening with the DBs we still have a chance with Brown Hollawell Countess already in and McClure and Raven possibilities
I got carried away with the pos bangs that i +1d myself! shit
"I got carried away with the pos bangs that i +1d myself! shit"
is far better than this: "I got carried away with the pos bangs that i shit myself! +1"
Did you see our DB's last year? We need like 6 more
If Kitchen does get offered, he'll be a sure fire red shirt, something I am soooo happy to hear attached with the secondary.
Daren Kitchen has been bleeding blue the entire process, wants to play DB and is being recruited by Texas A&M. I, for one, would be thrilled if we land him.
I don't know if it makes a difference, but at least people won't be able to complain about it, so I'm in for the posbang too! WOO!
Does this call for a change to the nickname, like - Greg "The 4-3 Gatling Gun" Mattison?
I think you're spending a little too much time on Dawson's website.
The 4-3 makes me happy. I was starting to really hate the 3-3-5. I could never figure out whether it was the spinner's assignment to hang out 10 yards from any potential receiver, or the deathbacker's.
Mattison is coming home.... like Diddy
I hope he's not coming home just like Diddy. That would imply he's all washed up but still thinks he's good...
Just a referring to the song, that is all.
RIP BIG L
+1 to you if I could.
Agree completely with you awolfinwater, the absolute greatest of all-time. Never got the credit he really deserved, man I miss L.
I agree as well...just dirty what he could rattle off in only 7 minutes of time
have his entire discography on my ipod
Big L was the truth. This 4-3 is gonna be the truth next year as well. Cant wait!
And that he brushs his teeth with a bottle of jack.
i will always neg a Kesha reference
I don't blame you,but I had the urge and couldn't resist. Next time I'll recognize it as Kesha's crabs acting up and get the urge checked out by a professional.
... dentists recomend not brushing your teeth with a bottle of jack.
I must go to that 10th one because that is exactly what I've been brushing my teeth with for about 3 weeks.
I just hope we offer Darren Kitchen..It seems like he wants to be blue and has almost got an offer on many occasions. He seems like a kid that would be all in
I'd be OK with us taking Kitchen. He's tall and fast, and has a frame that could fill out into a safety pretty easily - Rivals lists him at 6'1" 172lbs. It looks like he has a good frame that could carry 30 more pounds. Considering he's almost certainly going to red-shirt, I'd be happy with that.
Puppy eyes. Get me every time. +1.
I was hoping for 3 years that someone would take the 3-3-5 defense to a remote stretch of highway in no man's land Canada, beat it paralyzed, and leave it in the ditch to die in the snow.
Could always drop it off in Ohio. It's a fate just as bad and you don't need a passport.
plus our talent on offense makes our future look bright!
Still greatest song of all time!
Your avatar still scares me a little...I feel like it's stareing in my very soul
Roh as a permanent fixture at DE makes me super duper happy.
and makes QBs super duper scared
Let the good times "Roh"!
and stops other schools from beating us over the head with it in recruiting.
But not only because of that. Gatling Gun Mattison is a-making people believers!
I don't know if it's healthy to be this excited for football in January. But oh well, I also binge drink so this must be way healthier than that!!
There is absolutely no proof that binge drinking is unhealthy, cheers to that!!!
...and all it took was my first born son! Little does Saban know, I don't want kids muhahaha.
sata- oh, I see what you did there
The 3-3-5 had a good run, errrr, a run I guess. I'm so excited I might just, well, study I guess because I need to do that.
The 3-3-5 put on a spin move and had a gain of 4 on 3rd and 9 from our own 35 yard line.
Roh is a weakside DE. As long as he is on the roster, 4-anything works better than 3-anything.
I'll support any defense he wants to run.
unless it's the 3-3-5 right?
I want to hear more about this 6-2 Hoke mentioned in the press conference.
You mean the 6-2-2-1, I hear it's very effective in NCAA 11 but I feel it leaves the Safety in centerfield and only a ballhawking burner like jordan kovacs could flurish in a defense like that, if only we had someone like that on our roster.
The good news is flowing like water!
Man I'm so pumped lets keep it going!! Someone BKFinest something! ANything!
Our defense will be better next year.
BKFinest Shorts it.
I'm happy with it as long as it is flexible enough (scheme and personnel) to match up with pure spread teams. I can see the value in having the 3-3-5 as a change of pace, but not as an every down D.
Cheers to GMAT and him knowing how to run a real defense.
I teared up when I heard we were running a 4-3....for real I am so happy.
This definitely paves the way for some DL recruits....
Maybe next recruiting class. Kids don't have enough time to build a relationship with the new staff unless they were already being recruited by them. Hope I'm wrong, but that's just my opinion.
posbang = ? :/
thank you!!! finally back to the common and well-proven defense....now hoke is starting to roll..kept jackson and now the staff is coming together. More and more recruits are starting to pick up interest
that you speak off?
From reading everything in the past about Kitchen I can conclude that he would've met up with Hoke around Iowa as they both walked to Michigan!
4-3 defense? I'm giddy with anticipation!
on the lineup
LB:Jones or Furman/Demens/Fitzgerald
DB:Floyd (like to see one of three freshmen corners step up)/Vinopal/Johnson/Wolfolk
Quite frankly, it doesn't look that bad to me. We'll see.
I'd put Cam Gordon into the line-up at LB, probably in place of Furman.
I'd put Marvin Robinson in at one safety spot, probably for Vinopal. Reports from pre-bowl practice said MRob was moved to FS and was picking it up very well. He didn't get the start for the bowl, but he was pretty new to the spot. A whole off-season might make all the difference.
I"m not sure Cam has a spot anymore. For one he is 207 lbs. That's good 20 lbs away from playing lb in this conference. Second, he just isn't a quick-twitch athlete. You saw that when he played at safety. Moving him to lb masks some of that, of course. I don't know why we thought the kid could ever play defense in the first place. Slow (abliet big) possession wide outs don't translate to the defensive side of the ball.
I think Vinopal is underrated. You put a good 10 pounds on him, and I think he would have one hell of a skillset. The kid is pretty fast, and on the quick side. Vinopal is the only safety I would trust in a two deep look as of now. I even think you could play him single high every once in a while, and I just don't see any other safety being able to do that.
I completely disagree with your assessment of Cam talent-wise. He'll be a solid LB. As for his weight, please go to the mgoblue roster and tell me how much Furman and Mike Jones weigh - the two you put in place of Cam.
Plus - for all you say about Cam, Furman is a complete unknown. We know he's fast and that's about it. Cam, for all his weakness (as a frosh) was good enough to start every game for us.
Also, Brian Rolle was All Big Ten first team at 215.
I like Ray. But he has neither speed nor size.
Vinopal is notably fast, especially for a tiny white dude. Not Denard or Shaw fast, but his speed is probably his second-greatest attribute (next to instincts...he's show he can actually step in front of a route, which we've been missing for nearly a decade).
Is a talented and fast kid. He definitely will have a spot. Nickel back. Wide side linebacker. Blitzer. Even if only a sub at times this season, he's going to get significant playing time, and will likely be a starter in 2012 (if not 2011).
Dude. Stumps got skillz.
who tackled Mike Leshoure (a potential first round pick) at the LOS in the one of the most important players in the ill. game, and is probably our best cover safety. God forbid he plays.
He often got caught a little too deep, but that's not uncommon for a freshman and is fixable.
Marell Evans. I'm assuming he earned his way back because of his stellar play at Hampton. Perhaps he is good enough to lock up that WLB spot?
I like him on the line more than Washington.
Then who are our subs at DE? Wilkins could be one, but who else? DL is a group that rotates a lot. Maybe sub Black in for QW on passing downs, but on running downs, having him and MM in the middle would be lethal, combined with a 290lb DE in RVB.
JIbreel Black should be a DE, not a NT. Hopefully Hoke and Mattison can work some wonders with Campbell and get him ready to be our NT. Roh - Campbell/Washington - Martin - Van Bergen. That has the potential to be a very good line.
but I don't see Avery in there. I think the kid has potential.
Based on what I am reading today about the defense and the coaching hires, Kevin Koger and Will Campbell got a second Christmas less than 4 weeks from the official one. Campbell gets a defensive line specialist as head coach with a scheme that likely will utilize more tackles, plus a totally fresh start. That slightly outdoes Koger who only gets a position coach who groomed Tony Gonzalez and a more mature seasoned Denard. Hope he can make do.
I love this day. I really hope Jernigan and Darian Cooper catch wind of this. IIRC, they were 2 of the DTs who expressed they did not want to play in a 3-3-5. Someone get them on the phone immediately.
isn't that what the dc ran with ravens. maybe some concepts because he ran 4-3 with florida then a 3-4 with ravens. maybe a cameron gorrdon/ terrell suggs combo?
We can keep some of that speed!
I feel schemes as a matter of formation are completely overrated.
The implementation and execution of these schemes is what matters.
This could be a 4-3 or a 3-4, depending on Roh's label. It will be the same damn defense. Get a grip, folks.
The departure of the 3-3-5 is merely symbolic...nothing more.
3-3-5 is dirty word around here. That label had to go with RR. Whether we still employ the D from time to time is irrelevant- don't get caught up in the semantics. Changing the culture is Hoke's first task. Bringing in Mattison has dramatically shifted the way our D is viewed, thus bringing Mr. Optimism back to the party.
The role of the defensive line in a 3 man front line is totally different than in a 4 man front line and the kind of players you want to bring in and develop are totally different as well.
It does make a difference.
But when you have a guy like Roh who doesn't always have to play with his hand down (it would be nice if he rushed every time, though), the defense could be labeled 3-4 or 4-3 if we're going by personnel alone.
We have the talent on this team to patch together a decent 4-3 already, I think. The 3-3-5 put a lot of people out of position and in places they had no clue about.
And to whomever mistakenly called Mattison "GERG" - only "GERG" can be called "GERG". There is no other "GERG". Some texts use "GERG" and "3 (rushing plays) - 3(passing plays) - 5 (yard line)" as the long form of the name, but they refer to only one person.
It will be nice to actually see at least 4 down lineman on 3rd and short
to see more then a handful of effective blizting next year!!
Good times are coming this way.
I could be wrong but my guy tells me that you could see true freshman Des Morgan break into the line up next year at LB.
The kids got mad football smarts and brings the pain when he hits.
Thank god, now I don't have to watch Mike Martin fight through a triple team to pummel the QB. Just imagine that animal if we can get Big Will/Q just to take up a blocker or two, other teams will shit their pants preping for him!
I fully expect this to open the door for DL/LB recruits we weren't getting before because of the 3-3-5. I have no clue what our offense will be, but what I do know is that our defense will be MUCH better and tough.
Defense wins championships...GO BLUE!
So will they run a 3-man front if they play play a spread team. Hopefully Michigan does not have as much trouble using the 4-3 against the spread like they used to.