There is a list that would look great in the Maize and Blue!
Rivals 250 out
Jaleel Johnson is very high. Not unwarranted but still top 150 is very good.
No Sheldon Day or Maty Mauk. NO WORMLEY.
Diamond, and both OSU RB commits (Dunn and Ball) are fairly low considering the hype.
the list is always subject to change. it won't be final for some time.
The analysts at rivals said that Wormley has the physical attributes, but doesn't put it together on the field consistently. They also said that he tends to disappear from big games. I have no idea if that it true or not, but I find it hard to trust them because they have no midwest analyst.
He has a committable offer from tOSU...that is by far more of an indication of his skills than a Rivals list. They are very stingy with offers, esp this year with a bumper crop of DE will limited available schollies
Oh no! It's BWC ver 2.0!
Have better breakdowns of midwest kids.
Rivals just doesn't like our region, it's weird.
The omission of Day and Wormley is confusing. Both are top 70 players to the other sites. Not that that should be the deciding factor for Rivals, but I do think Rivals missed the boat on those two.
Mauk doesn't belong in the top 250.
Because of 247sports Rivals have been losing lots of paid subscribers. It seems like they are being different just for the sake of being different.
I don't know if I believe that.
A good company would want to be right just to be right. Being different doesn't do them any good. If they are indeed being different just because, that's probably a bad business plan. Because when these 5-star recruits turn out to be MAC-level players, they're going to have egg on their face in three to five years.
I have to agree with Ken on this one, for a couple of reasons:
1. Rivals is hugely incentivized to make their rankings look different from the other services, especially 247--since it's new and free (I think). If they throw out the same basic list order as 247, customers are going to say, "this is the same thing as 247; why the hell would I pay for Rivals when I got the same think two months ago?"
2. You can't evaluate the validity of a recruiting service's predictions until four years down the road. Rivals has to worry about business today.
3. It's not like they're taking huge risks plugging in no-name MAC-level players into their five-star slots. They're basically taking the same group of 400 or so top players and rearranging it a little bit differently to make themselves stand out.
I definitely think they're making some omissions and pumping some guys up simply to generate some buzz and make it look they know something that the other service don't.
I'm not saying it's impossible. All I'm saying is that a) it's a bad plan and b) it's pure conjecture.
I have had the same thought, it will be pretty funny at the end of the year when rivals' list is very similar too 247
You're on Rivals so you know that Josh thinks he's average at best and without any midwest presence, Rivals leans on him for evaluations. There was no way Wormley was going to be ranked well by Rivals.
I didn't think he would be top 100, but I did think he would be top 250. That's why it surprises me. There aren't that many DE's who are that big and run that well who don't get placed in the top 250. If he's not a 4-star, I will be stunned.
They said in the chat today that Wormley will be a 5.7, in the high 3-star range.
Helmhodt's disdain for the kid's game. I'm nor disagreeing with your evaluation as it's consistent with all of the other national sites as well as all Ohio sites. Rivals is the only one out of whack.
We have seen this go both ways before. There was a great deal of hype surrounding Ricardo Miller, Marvin Robinson and Jeremy Jackson, but they were rated low if at all when the lists came out. Also, we saw the initial watch lists from Rivals last year not contain Dee Hart, and he ended up as a 5* player when all was said and done. Let the summer camps play out and we will see some movement, especially when their senior seasons start.
Josh Helmholdt at Rivals mentioned poor conditioning and poor combine numbers as a reason that Diamond slipped.
Personally, I think he was overrated by the other sites. I think #209 is a good place for him. He's a good prospect, but not the awesome one Michigan fans wanted to think.
I heard that he was injured at one the combines and that is why he didn't preform so well. We have a history of overrating players when they are an early for Michigan. Either way I would want him in this class.
Yes, I heard that as well. It's understandable that he would put up poor numbers, but it's also understandable that he would slip in the rankings, since they can't necessarily be sure of what he can do at 100%. It will all sort itself out if he has a good senior year.
you got to be kidding me!
I know, I was really surprised by that too.
Royce Jenkins-Stone #87 as posted yesterday.
Some other players to watch for:
#137 Paul Thurston OL Colorado
#139 Wayne Morgan DB New York
#185 Ken Ekanem LB Virginia
#186 Corey Smith WR Ohio
#187 Armani Reeves DB Massachusetts
#191 Shane Callahan OL Colorado
#194 Amara Darboh WR Iowa
#213 Tom Strobel DE Ohio
#242 JJ Denman OL Pennsylvania
#247 Deaysean Rippy LB Pennsylvania
One thing to note is Corey Smith is announcing soon and we aren't in his top group (haven't offered him yet). Anyone else a little surprised we haven't gone after this guy? Powers is coaching him and he has offers from Alabama, Georgia, UNC, MSU, Tenn, ND and PSU.
Hope he doesn't end up at MooU
Anyone know enough about SDSU or Ball State to talk about Borges' track record with WRs? After passing on Lucien, and considering this non-offer of Smith, just wondering if we have evidence to support or bemoan his seeming reticence to go after some highly-rated WRs.
was Borges and Hoke looking at the roster and saying "Whew! Look at all those WR's. We've got to save some scollies for other areas." They'll probably gradually open up WR recruitment as the numbers thin out and it becomes more and more apparent that very few of our WR's are adept at standing 15 yards up on the sideline and being taller than everyone else.
You can count out #185 and #247
A Rivals mod had hinted that Wormley had been substantially over-rated by fans.
I think Rivals' Midwest analysis is overrated by fans. Perhaps this exactly what Wormley needed to get mad on the field.
Bucknuts, part of the 247 network, lists Wormley as the No. 1 player in Ohio.
Having watched his highlights - and granting that they are only highlights - I can't see how he's not one of the top 250 players in the country
He's strongly considering M. That takes at least 100 places off his rankings.
Every player is overrated by fans.
Still, Wormley belongs on here. Oh well. It doesn't matter that much, anyway.
It would be funny if he was 251.
That's strange because wasn't he their 3rd ranked player in the state of OH this year before these rankings came out? Ohio's 3rd ranked prospect in the new rankings is listed at 61 (Se'Von Pittman). It's hard to imagine that they had their minds changed that much about him.
If you're referring to the rankings done by the Bucknuts website on their in-state Top 40, those were not done by Rivals national service, but their version of "The Wolverine".
So from the guy listed in this thread how many do we think will commit? I'd say 2-3 from the OP's list, plus Wayne Morgan? So about half of our first 15 recruits would be 4*, already making our class better ranked than last year's. It's nice to see that all three sites are in agreement about a lot of the recruits that we're focusing on.
From the OP's list, I think we get 6-7 (counting Ross and Bolden). Also, possibly Reeves or Morgan from the second list.
Rivals is pretty bad at underrepresenting kids from the midwest in their list....no suprise by that list.
Um, actually, they seem to be pretty good at underrepresenting kids from the midwest.
Wow. I guess his height is dragging him down in the rankings.
The analyst said that he would be top 100 if he was couple inches taller.
Which makes him just fine in my book. I care what he will do at Michigan, not whether he filts the mold of an NFL inside LB. You don't need to be 6'4" to be an excellent linebacker in college.
Exactly. The All-Big Ten team included Ross Homan (6'1"), Brian Rolle (5'11"), Greg Jones (6'1"), Martez Wilson (6'4"), Jeremiha Hunter (6'2"), and Eric Gordon (6'0").
At the NFL combine Brian Rolle measured at 5'9.75". He fared pretty well in the B1G. Greg Jones measured at 6'0". Height is often overrated in college football IMO.
welcome back and to think we thought we had a good recruiting class. Man this new staff doesn't know how to recruit.
You know, putting the "close sarcasm" at the end of your post doesn't make it hurt any less.
let six_zero = geek
let six_zero = geek
A few other targets include:
103 Max Tuerk - OL California
112 Elijah Shumate - DB NJ
148 Michael Starts - OL Texas
All the guys we've offered are listed here, for those of you who are curious:
There will be more 4-stars released tomorrow. These are just the top 250 players. I think typically there are about 300 four-stars on Rivals, which means that there would be about 75 more to come, give or take. I'm not sure that any of our other commits will be included in that group, but we'll see.
I was in the Rivals chat right now. I believe they said there will be 58 more 4 stars tomorrow. I also asked about Wormley, and they said he was gonna be a high 3 star.
So do they continue releasing rankings throughout the week? I'm curious to see where our TE's and DE's stack up, not to mention the state rankings so we can have a better visual of our State of Michigan sweep.
I think the rest of the 4* are released tomorrow or by the end of the week, and then they continue rating lower prospects after that.
No Wormley is really surprising. I was expecting him to be in the 5.9-6.0 range.
The 250 is such a joke its all favoritism to Texas and Florida State.
I think our recruiting class will prove itself on the field
Pharaoh Brown will be a 4 star tomorrow, Rivals mods just said.
Bored at work so this is what I got from the top250 list.
Heaviest: Jordon Simmons a 333 OL from CA.
Lightest: Bryce Treggs 157 WR from CA.
Tallest: Zach Banner 6'9" OL from WA.
Shortest: (tie) Jaydon Mickens 5'8" ATH from CA and Trey Williams 5'8" RB from TX.