http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2868
Terry Richardson at 195
James Ross at 143
Joe Bolden 167
Aaron Burbridge 134
Danny O'brien 222
Ondre Pipkins 246
Jaleel Johnson 140
Jordan Diamond 209
Kyle Dodson 152
Brionte Dunn 124
Greg Garmon 184
There is a list that would
The Surprises for me
Jaleel Johnson is very high. Not unwarranted but still top 150 is very good.
No Sheldon Day or Maty Mauk. NO WORMLEY.
Diamond, and both OSU RB commits (Dunn and Ball) are fairly low considering the hype.
the list is always subject to
the list is always subject to change. it won't be final for some time.
The analysts at rivals said
The analysts at rivals said that Wormley has the physical attributes, but doesn't put it together on the field consistently. They also said that he tends to disappear from big games. I have no idea if that it true or not, but I find it hard to trust them because they have no midwest analyst.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
He has a committable offer
He has a committable offer from tOSU...that is by far more of an indication of his skills than a Rivals list. They are very stingy with offers, esp this year with a bumper crop of DE will limited available schollies
Oh no
Oh no! It's BWC ver 2.0!
24/7 Sports and Scout
Have better breakdowns of midwest kids.
Rivals just doesn't like our region, it's weird.
The omission of Day and
The omission of Day and Wormley is confusing. Both are top 70 players to the other sites. Not that that should be the deciding factor for Rivals, but I do think Rivals missed the boat on those two.
Mauk doesn't belong in the top 250.
Because of 247sports Rivals
Because of 247sports Rivals have been losing lots of paid subscribers. It seems like they are being different just for the sake of being different.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
I don't know if I believe
I don't know if I believe that.
A good company would want to be right just to be right. Being different doesn't do them any good. If they are indeed being different just because, that's probably a bad business plan. Because when these 5-star recruits turn out to be MAC-level players, they're going to have egg on their face in three to five years.
I have to agree with Ken on
I have to agree with Ken on this one, for a couple of reasons:
1. Rivals is hugely incentivized to make their rankings look different from the other services, especially 247--since it's new and free (I think). If they throw out the same basic list order as 247, customers are going to say, "this is the same thing as 247; why the hell would I pay for Rivals when I got the same think two months ago?"
2. You can't evaluate the validity of a recruiting service's predictions until four years down the road. Rivals has to worry about business today.
3. It's not like they're taking huge risks plugging in no-name MAC-level players into their five-star slots. They're basically taking the same group of 400 or so top players and rearranging it a little bit differently to make themselves stand out.
I definitely think they're making some omissions and pumping some guys up simply to generate some buzz and make it look they know something that the other service don't.
"There was a time I could have been mistaken for Burt Reynolds. I had a moustache and so did he. But he was the number one star in the world, so there wasn't really much confusion."
I'm not saying it's
I'm not saying it's impossible. All I'm saying is that a) it's a bad plan and b) it's pure conjecture.
I have had the same thought,
I have had the same thought, it will be pretty funny at the end of the year when rivals' list is very similar too 247
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
I'm surprised you're confused by Wormley
You're on Rivals so you know that Josh thinks he's average at best and without any midwest presence, Rivals leans on him for evaluations. There was no way Wormley was going to be ranked well by Rivals.
I didn't think he would be
I didn't think he would be top 100, but I did think he would be top 250. That's why it surprises me. There aren't that many DE's who are that big and run that well who don't get placed in the top 250. If he's not a 4-star, I will be stunned.
They said in the chat today
They said in the chat today that Wormley will be a 5.7, in the high 3-star range.
That's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous.
Yeah I think you just underestimated
Helmhodt's disdain for the kid's game. I'm nor disagreeing with your evaluation as it's consistent with all of the other national sites as well as all Ohio sites. Rivals is the only one out of whack.
Seen this before
We have seen this go both ways before. There was a great deal of hype surrounding Ricardo Miller, Marvin Robinson and Jeremy Jackson, but they were rated low if at all when the lists came out. Also, we saw the initial watch lists from Rivals last year not contain Dee Hart, and he ended up as a 5* player when all was said and done. Let the summer camps play out and we will see some movement, especially when their senior seasons start.
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through
Diamond
at 209?
Josh Helmholdt at Rivals
Josh Helmholdt at Rivals mentioned poor conditioning and poor combine numbers as a reason that Diamond slipped.
Personally, I think he was overrated by the other sites. I think #209 is a good place for him. He's a good prospect, but not the awesome one Michigan fans wanted to think.
I heard that he was injured
I heard that he was injured at one the combines and that is why he didn't preform so well. We have a history of overrating players when they are an early for Michigan. Either way I would want him in this class.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Yes, I heard that as well.
Yes, I heard that as well. It's understandable that he would put up poor numbers, but it's also understandable that he would slip in the rankings, since they can't necessarily be sure of what he can do at 100%. It will all sort itself out if he has a good senior year.
No Wormley
you got to be kidding me!
GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY
I know, I was really
I know, I was really surprised by that too.
It's not who you were or are, it's who you will be.
Also...
Royce Jenkins-Stone #87 as posted yesterday.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
Some other players to watch
Some other players to watch for:
#137 Paul Thurston OL Colorado
#139 Wayne Morgan DB New York
#185 Ken Ekanem LB Virginia
#186 Corey Smith WR Ohio
#187 Armani Reeves DB Massachusetts
#191 Shane Callahan OL Colorado
#194 Amara Darboh WR Iowa
#213 Tom Strobel DE Ohio
#242 JJ Denman OL Pennsylvania
#247 Deaysean Rippy LB Pennsylvania
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Good add on
One thing to note is Corey Smith is announcing soon and we aren't in his top group (haven't offered him yet). Anyone else a little surprised we haven't gone after this guy? Powers is coaching him and he has offers from Alabama, Georgia, UNC, MSU, Tenn, ND and PSU.
Hope he doesn't end up at MooU
Borges and WRs
Anyone know enough about SDSU or Ball State to talk about Borges' track record with WRs? After passing on Lucien, and considering this non-offer of Smith, just wondering if we have evidence to support or bemoan his seeming reticence to go after some highly-rated WRs.
I think the pass on Lucien last year
was Borges and Hoke looking at the roster and saying "Whew! Look at all those WR's. We've got to save some scollies for other areas." They'll probably gradually open up WR recruitment as the numbers thin out and it becomes more and more apparent that very few of our WR's are adept at standing 15 yards up on the sideline and being taller than everyone else.
You can
You can count out #185 and #247
A Rivals mod had hinted that
A Rivals mod had hinted that Wormley had been substantially over-rated by fans.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
I think
I think Rivals' Midwest analysis is overrated by fans. Perhaps this exactly what Wormley needed to get mad on the field.
Wormley
Bucknuts, part of the 247 network, lists Wormley as the No. 1 player in Ohio.
Having watched his highlights - and granting that they are only highlights - I can't see how he's not one of the top 250 players in the country
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
Well
He's strongly considering M. That takes at least 100 places off his rankings.
Every player is overrated by
Every player is overrated by fans.
Still, Wormley belongs on here. Oh well. It doesn't matter that much, anyway.
It would be funny if he was
It would be funny if he was 251.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
second that.
second that.
That's strange because wasn't
That's strange because wasn't he their 3rd ranked player in the state of OH this year before these rankings came out? Ohio's 3rd ranked prospect in the new rankings is listed at 61 (Se'Von Pittman). It's hard to imagine that they had their minds changed that much about him.
If you're referring to the
If you're referring to the rankings done by the Bucknuts website on their in-state Top 40, those were not done by Rivals national service, but their version of "The Wolverine".
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
So from the guy listed in
So from the guy listed in this thread how many do we think will commit? I'd say 2-3 from the OP's list, plus Wayne Morgan? So about half of our first 15 recruits would be 4*, already making our class better ranked than last year's. It's nice to see that all three sites are in agreement about a lot of the recruits that we're focusing on.
Too Low
From the OP's list, I think we get 6-7 (counting Ross and Bolden). Also, possibly Reeves or Morgan from the second list.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
Rivals is pretty bad at
Rivals is pretty bad at underrepresenting kids from the midwest in their list....no suprise by that list.
Um, actually, they seem to be
Um, actually, they seem to be pretty good at underrepresenting kids from the midwest.
James Ross at 143?!
Wow. I guess his height is dragging him down in the rankings.
The analyst said that he
The analyst said that he would be top 100 if he was couple inches taller.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Which makes him just fine in
Which makes him just fine in my book. I care what he will do at Michigan, not whether he filts the mold of an NFL inside LB. You don't need to be 6'4" to be an excellent linebacker in college.
Exactly. The All-Big Ten
Exactly. The All-Big Ten team included Ross Homan (6'1"), Brian Rolle (5'11"), Greg Jones (6'1"), Martez Wilson (6'4"), Jeremiha Hunter (6'2"), and Eric Gordon (6'0").
At the NFL combine Brian
At the NFL combine Brian Rolle measured at 5'9.75". He fared pretty well in the B1G. Greg Jones measured at 6'0". Height is often overrated in college football IMO.
"They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now."
Three star mafia
welcome back and to think we thought we had a good recruiting class. Man this new staff doesn't know how to recruit.
/s
There is a list that would look great in the Maize and Blue!