My apologies if this has been discussed in earlier threads, but WTF? Why would this game not make the ABC or even ESPN slate? Not sure how everybody else feels, but I can't stand the watching games on BTN.
Big Teens? I pegged you as more of an "amateur" guy.
That's third on the list of classic blunders.
Because Michigan State is a measly 1-2 in a bad conference and outside of the Big Ten, no one thinks Michigan is that great.
Commenting to get to 100 so I can +1 you, good sir.
This is a dumb argument. It is a rivalry. We haven't beaten them in 4 years. The coaching staff and team make a big deal out of this game. It is a big deal. Probably not in 3 years, but for now, yes.
It has always been a big deal, and it will continue to be. With the exception of a couple of years that were lopsided, State always plays very well and very tough in this game. It has always been a very difficult game for Michigan to win. State has beaten some very good Michigan teams. It is a backyard brawl and there are no records going into this game. This game is going to be a bitch to win and I can't wait to watch Team 133 do it.
Agreed. It will always have some significance. It's a natural rivalry between the two largest schools in the state. Every state with two large major BCS schools considers those games rivalries, even if one team is consistently better
A rival goes both ways. They recruit our players, we only recruited 2 of their players and one was a long snapper. They cannot compete with us in any other sport other than woman's basketball. I forget the record but it was our record is something like 20-5 in both men and women's sports.
We do not compete for the same student either. Only 10% of moo u students could get into Michigan. US News a few years back said something like 50% of moo u students apped to Michigan but only 5% of Michigan students apped to moo u.
I could care less if we only played moo u every other year. I dont care about Eastern, Western, Central, Saginaw Valley or Ferris either. All of these schools are in the state of Michigan. The only difference is that moo u is in our conference which is why we want to win every conference game. So if moo u went to the Big East, no one would miss them.
ohio, on the other hand is more competitive in football anf all the other varsity sports. They have more Heisman winners and NC. We hold the overall series record. This is a natural rivalry. They are hicks and hillbillies that are in-bred. I personally hate them.
Lil brother, is just that. They wish they could be like us. Just read the RCMB and that will confirm it. ABC knows it is not a rivalry that is why they defered to air Nebraska vs Northwestern. I would prefer to see us on ABC every week but the moo u game is nothing special.
Uhh no? There's no tie to Iowa. It's just a team in our division that we play badly against. We have no connection to them. Michigan State is the largest school in Michigan. It's a natural rivalry whether we like it or not
Until divisions, there was no connection except being in the Big 10 with us. They were the equivalent of Indiana for us. Even now with the tirefire they are and will continue to be as long as Frerentz is coaching, they are easily the least threat to us winning our division.
Iowa under Ferentz is not a tire fire. That's Illinois. Or Purdue. Or Minny. Or Indiana if they had any tires in the first place.
Iowa under Ferentz is a solid, middle of the league team that will beat the conference powers when they have down years and pull the occasional upset against them at home. Every 10 years or so the stars will align and they'll go to the conference championship/play in a BCS game, etc. They will also lose a fair number of games they should win (CMU this year) because they play a grind it out type of game that results mainly in close scores. Given their very easy schedule (crossovers against Purdue, Indiana, Penn State @ Iowa), I think the division may come down to their visit this year. In fact, if they beat Penn State this week, they may very well come to Ann Arbor undefeated in the division (PSU, @ Northwestern, @ Indiana, Purdue). Now, we should win that game fairly handily, and I could see them dropping any of those, save Purdue
But that's far from a tire fire, even though the style will, at many points, be ugly.
Iowa has only beaten Michigan thirteen times, and three of those have come since 2008. We play State a ton more (104 meetings compared to 57) and they have a better winning percentage (.307 to .228) and more wins than Iowa does against us (32 to 13). Not to mention EL and A2 are all of 65mi apart, or the fact that pretty much every Michigan guy we have on roster was heavily recruited by MSU.
But really?? Iowa is a bigger game to Michigan than the MSU game?
the iowa game could be the bigger game this year... four-year grudge w/ msu notwithstanding.
C'mon... you're being deliberately obtuse. I'd be the first to agree with recognizing the Sparty inferiority complex, but comparing the Iowa game with the Sparty game is a dumb argument.
Misopogon made the same argument last year. It's only a "rivalry" because people in Michigan have to deal with Staee fans at work on Monday. If you live in Illinois, you're going to hear from Illinois and NW fans on Monday. If you live in Pennsylvania, then you are going to hear from PSU fans on Monday. That doesn't make them our rivals (even though Illinois fans would try to convince you otherwise). Yes, I want to beat them more than other teams in the Big Ten, but only because I hate hearing from them on Mondays. They are still behind OSU and ND, though, and how can you call your third-most-important game a rival?
The team needs to beat MSU for in-state recruiting. The same can be said about Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc.
I think it depends a lot on when you were exposed to MSU. If you went to Michigan during a time where we stomped MSU yearly, I understand the rationale behind thinking they are solely an annoyance. Personally, I went to Michigan in the last few years where we haven't won a game. I am also an out-of-stater with no prior feelings towards MSU. Therefore, I feel a greater sense of rivalry with them than many of you and while I know the history of the matchups, it's hard to ignore what happened when I first started watching
but I can't disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I don't know how you can call MSU our third most important game, though. ND is basically a useless game unless we are on a MNC run or lose our division and are looking for an at-large BCS bid. Ohio is by far our biggest rival, but with the division setup being what it is, we can almost always go to the BTCG as long as we beat MSU and Nebraska, regardless of what happens in The Game.
MSU and Nebraska are our most important games annually, and I don't see how there's too much of a debate there. It sucks, but that's the alignment the Big Ten decided to go with.
Maybe "most important" wasn't the correct descriptor, but I'd say taken out of the context of effects on the post season, OSU and ND are the two games that people generally want to win the most.
I just don't think it's an unimportant game; this weekend has a lot to do with whether this is a Rose Bowl season or a Capital One Bowl season.
you're saying what I've been saying since the new 12 team B1G and divisional alignment formed.
I know UM has way more skin in the OSU and ND games than Nebraska and usually MSU, but the reality is that winning the division is where it starts, and that does change things. Different league now with different dynamic, though it will take time for that to sink in for some.
Nebraska has no "thing" about beating UM or MSU other than more often than not, we know it will mean playing in the B1G title game. Over time, rivalry intensities will shift based on that.
Basically everything I've seen you write on division play I agree with, your last sentence especially.
Tackling Desmond in the endzone. Spartan Bob. Neck wrenchings. Comments from players and coaches. Yes, Illinois really hates us (their fans are so cute), but little of that carries to the field. MSU has won the second most games against us. That's why it's a bigger rivalry than those other Big Ten schools.
Auburn is the 5th best team all time in the SEC, but Alabama doesn't consider them the 5th most important game. Proximity matters.
Out-of-staters do not have the same distaste for MSU as in-staters. I'm sure everyone has their own feelings, but it is a general trend. On the other hand, everyone has to answer to other rivals. It is what it is. Has Indiana beaten us in 4 years? Are we a rival to them?
Would you have said the same for osu? That they weren't a rival because they owned us for almost a decade. Msu had more recent success against us whether we like it or not and it'd be crazy to say osu didn't matter to us back then.
I'll be watching the game from my seats in the Big House. So I'm not too worried about what channel it's on.
That being said, I'm grateful for BTN because it allows me to watch every single Michigan football game even though I live in Oregon now. Not to mention, all the basketball and occasional hockey games it allows me to see.
Haven't found a satisfactory answer yet.
Can I shell out like $2-5 and just watch this game on BTN2Go? Is there some way to do that I'm missing? I'm all for using the pirate tv sites, but I was trying to host a watch party and they flake out sometimes/have bad picture quality. I can hook my comp up to the TV, get good internet...just don't get BTN.
Help me out. What's the best way to do this?
Sadly this isn't exactly true. I have AT&T Uverse with BTN, but they don't provide BTN2GO. Not sure why.
and watched the entire Purdue game live while away from my house. Didn't cost me a dime. You can even watch the replays if you miss the game entirely. Worked on my phone, laptop, and my samsung tablet with no "buffering" downtime. Good Luck!
How did you do that? Tell me your secrets!
First you have to create an account on BTN2Go website. If you plan on using a mobile device you'll need to download the app from your respective store. Once you create an account, you have to verify your TV provider. I think you'll need your account number for that but I can't quite remember. Once you verify your provider, you have free reign to pilage BTN2Go for all your sporting needs free of cost. I may have missed a few details but I think that should get you going.
So this is the problem...I don't have BTN through my cable provider, so I'm trying to access it a different way. Sorry if that wasn't clear in the OP.
If you're hosting a party, maybe one of your guests or friends who does get BTN can sign in temporarily so everyone can watch?
Just a suggestion because all you need to do is sign in with my Verizon/Comcast/etc. email on btn's website, could be a simple thing for someone to help you out with.
But they have it on Comcast, which BTN2Go doesn't work with. Has anyone successfully logged in with comcast?
I've signed up through DirecTV by way of my parents account number, in all honesty I find the pirate streams to be better than the BTN feeds.
Also, curse you mortgage lender for not getting me into my new house/ so I could switch providers and watch on DirecTV myself.
Justin.tv is another way you can watch almost any game. People live broadcast their feed. A quick search of the live feeds usually turns up one or two of the games you're looking for. It's available through your web browser, or apps on iOS and Android.
EDIT: Link = http://www.justin.tv/
If you end up having to use a pirate site, be sure to use some sort of ad blocking software. Someone in a thread a week or two ago mentioned Ad Block for Chrome. It's a free ap and it works like a charm. It makes a huge difference. I was able to watch an entire game with just a few minor hiccups. The only problem was, I couldn't figure out how to make it full screen, but then again, I was at my prime dealing with technological innovations about 20 years ago, so I'm probably just missing something simple, like a "picture go big" button.
rather have a 3:30 BTN start than a noon ESPN family of networks start. This means two things: 1) I can enjoy the noon games win or lose, as losing a noon game erases any interest i had in watching any other football, and 2) I am assured a male play by play announcer. These two things make me happy.
i like your second reason
I don't know why it's on BTN, but I do know that I am sick to fucking death of 3:30 games.
The only other Big Ten game worth watching is also on at 3:30. As usual, the dumbfucks that make up the schedules have ensured that nobody can watch both games. It also means that you can't watch South Carolina at Florida either. I guess this will be yet another weekend where I don't bother watching any shitty noon football games.
I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought the BTN could choose certain games throughout the year, so they made sure each team was on its network a certain number of times.
If you look at the slate this week, it's not a very appealing week, even for the weak Big 10. Ohio State, the top ranked team, is playing Purdue (who has gotten crushed its last two games) and other contenders (e.g, Nebraska and Wisconsin) play Northwestern and Minnesota, two low profile teams.
So UM-MSU is the "big" game, and maybe BTN picked it and the networks were like, "Eh, neither team is in the Top 20 -- you can have them."
When BTN was first launched (not sure how things have changed) they used to get third pick after ABC and ESPN of which game to broadcast and one week per year they were given the second pick from that weeks games. I am too lazy to research if this is still the case, but I assume it is.
It seems like the big Michigan - MSU rivarly has been on BTN more often than not. I thought this was because BTN gets a few "good ones" a season, and ABC / ESPN doesn't feel this game gets enough national interest versus other choices on the same weekend. (Seems like Penn State rubbernecking is the in thing from national point of view this season, and the rest of the non-BCS ranked B1G is not worth watching.)
The upside is it further fuels Sparty's inferiority complex.
I'm assuming that ABC/ESPN chose the Nebraska-Northwestern game as their #1 choice (which is defensible: large Nebraska fan base, kind of an elimination game in the division, big upset last year, sure to have offensive fireworks) and that the BTN utilized one of their opportunities to move up in the selection priority to grab MSU-UM.
The only confusing thing is that the OSU-Purdue game is also an ABC simulcast, I'm not sure if the BTN can ever choose before an ABC broadcast. Regardless of the regionality of the MSU-UM game, I would think it would draw more viewers than OSU vs. a completely dead Purdue team.
people from outside the B1G, when they talk about Big Ten, it is generally about how much the Big Ten sucks, is Penn State going to become a crater, and looks like the Buckeyes would be B1G champions if they could play in the post season.
Exhibit A for the 1st point: Michigan was wiped off the map on national TV between Alabama and the ND interception fest. Now that we are into the conference schedule, there is nothing left that matters to see until maybe The Game. (If we get there, even the B1G championship game will be a joke because of Penn State and Ohio, and all those other "leaders".)
Nebraska and Wisconsin each have imploded nationally and within the conference. Everyone else has always been "who dat?". The only thing left of interest to watch are the ambulances, fire trucks and morgue vehicles around Penn State, and whether Ohio wins out (thus further shaming the entire B1G).
As long as it doesn't rain I am happy. I am still thawing out from Saturday.
I dont like it because it implies that it isn't a particularly interesting game, and the production and announcers are a bummer. OTOH, I like being able to watch on btn2go and to get replays online. Either way, beat Staee.
MSU lost to Iowa. If they would have won, ABC/ESPN.