Didn't see this posted so had to share:
Harsh, but can't really say it's untrue.
Didn't see this posted so had to share:
Harsh, but can't really say it's untrue.
"To hell with Notre Dame"
I think this is the only good column Reilly has ever written.
The TV deals and whatnot are based on fan base, and Notre Dames is exceptionally large. But the BCS/Playoffs thing is bullshit.
If ND was a chick at the bar, she'd be the 42 year old divorcee who was a beauty pageant winner when she was 16 with a bad boob job and a nasty temper. Smoking Pall Malls.
I feel like there is still a little something missing. I'm thinking that the ND personification probably also has untreated syphilis, but acts like it's really chic because of the historical longevity of the disease.
An unfortunate run-in with a really bad, Beverly Hills surgeon, a la ...
This is so nasty I puked in my mouth a little.
beatuty pageant winner who is 42 but still looks really good to tons of guys--the reason I say this is that unlike any other school in America with a comparable lack of relevance for 20 years, they still undeniably recruit. I can't understand it, but year after year they get top players
Notre Dame football just got...
Please neg away.
I'm pretty sure that is Rick Reilly's new title.
I only wish there were comments on ESPN Featured Articles. I would love to see that play out
I scrolled to the bottom of the article to start reading comments. Alas, I was quite disappointed to see no such thing.
While I enjoyed my lunch, I read this on my iPhone. The comments section appears when viewing it there, but not on my computer. There are so many homers losing their minds over this article. It made lunch taste that much better.
I guess in some ways I don't really get what his point is. It is nice to see someone in the media actually call out ND for what it is and has been, but I don't get what he is trying to acheive by listing solutions that will never happen. As long as the public tunes in to NBC every Saturday, I don't see anything changing.
Anyway, I thought this line was great: "That hurts your feelings? Watch 'Rudy' 'til you feel better."
I think his point is that even an (ex-) ND fan like himself can't deny it anymore - ND's relevancy is past its shelf life.
To be fair, the descent into irrelevance could also be said about Rick Reilly.
Let the hate flow through you.
People still care about Rick Reilly? He's like the Notre Dame of columnists.
At least their graduation rates for athletes is typically in the top 2-3 (including football)
just BOO !
I never understand the fascination people have with graduation rates. Sure, we want people to graduate. But when schools dramatically lower their standards to let athletes in, isn't it a little dubious when those athletes go on to graduate at "normal" rates?
I suspect that there is a lot of UNC-style academic fraud going on around the country, and it might be all the more rife at private schools, which have less public accountability. (Remember the old saying - "You can't flunk out of an Ivy League school.")
But most of this isn't ND's fault.
From now on: • Notre Dame no longer gets its own television deal with NBC. • Notre Dame no longer gets to be the only school in the country with an inexplicable seat at the BCS decisions-making table. • Notre Dame no longer gets its yearly undeserved hellahype in preseason rankings and preseason All-America teams.
It seems like he wants to yell at ND for not living up to what he and his fellow media members create year after you. He's really saying "ND get great again so we stop looking stupid year after year."
Edited: because "pay" is not "play". But considering the topic, not that far off...
Totally agree. Wasn't Rick Reilly also one of the biggest self-flagellators regarding Penn State? The dude seems like he can't stand it when he unecessarily tongue-bathes someone or something and then it turns out that that someone or something didn't deserve it and so he looks foolish.
Rick, try writing something sober and fact-checked and maybe you won't have to write these ludicrous mea culpas 10 years after the fact.
Totally agree. I do think that the ND faithful act as if the program has been consistently better than its record the past decade or so, but the points Reilly harps on are silly. If NBC wants to keep airing ND games, then by no means should ND stop taking that money. The BCS bowl position is a little iffy, but until someone says no ND should keep pushing for it. And whose fault is it that ND is ranked in the top-25 every season? Certainly not ND, who has at most one opportunity to alter a poll via Kelly's coach's vote.
Now, if he wanted to harp on ND's purported moral and educational superiority that has been proven numerous times to be false, then that is an angle to attack them on. As others have pointed out, ND takes top-notch recruits (usually from good prep and high schools), nurtures them in a good environment, and then trumpets pumping out kids who graduate and (maybe) play in the NFL. Congrats ND - you are UM, NW, Virginia, USC, Vandy, Texas, and all the other major college-programs with decent-to-good academics. But to act as if you are doing "God's work" because you are Catholic is (to this Catholic) slightly offensive and simply redundant.
"You are not royalty anymore, Notre Dame. Turn in your tiara."
Amazing line, by far the best Reilly has written.
Edit: two L's not two E's
Can't blame Notre Dame for their TV deals with NBC. That's based off of its fanbase, which is among the largest in the country.
Notre Dame will never be pegged down to an FCS or DII level. There is simply way too much money involved. Yeah, they're irrelevant, but they sell tickets, both home and away. If Notre Dame went to go play Kansas at Kansas, a school which traditionally looks at football as a way to pass the time until basketball season, that game would sell out. KU fans would pack the stadium. Why? Because its Notre Dame. They're the money-makers, they make headlines, irrelevant or not.
Irrelevant may be a bit strong of a term - they still field a bowl-quality team most years. I mean, it freaking Rutgers and Duke are allowed to keep fielding teams, I don't see why ND shouldn't except to be treated as a decent BCS team. They just aren't at the level of USC, LSU/'Bama, etc.
For context, Michigan has won 99 games "this century," including 2000.
Dominating navy almost every year
I don't need a talking head to tell me that ND sucks.
Notre Dame is still relevant because every fucking year people are still talking about whether or not they're relevant.
Every team that beats Notre Dame still acts like they've beaten the defending national champion.
ND still attracts talent, sells tickets, a shit load of merchandise, has a national following, has a gorgeous campus, and is a top notch academic institution.
How are you guys going to rip on ND when we've BARELY beaten them the last 3 years, and have gone apeshit for each one of them?
I hate Notre Dame with an intensity bordering on madness, but I agree with this 100%. College football fans, both those for and those against Notre Dame, make Notre Dame relevant, even if they haven't been competitive. "Irrelevant" and "bad football" are two very different things. Notre Dame possesses the same cache that all the college football blue bloods have. Takes longer than 20 years, apparently, to lose it. I think those of us who were young in the 80s and 90s will have to die off, with the Irish continuing to suck in the meantime, in order to make them truly irrelevant. Maybe not even then because the media love for Notre Dame may perpetuate the hate to new generations, without ever having to lose a football game to them. College football loves and hatreds (a new word?) get imprinted in you and they don't go away. I''ll hate Notre Dame until I go down for the dirt nap, I don't care how bad they suck. Beating them is my second favorite win, next to beating Ohio, and it always will be. There was actually a time....granted, a misguided portion of my youth... when I hated Notre Dame even more than Ohio.
As a "future" generation I can tell you that I don't hate Notre Dame. Not nearly as much as it seems you old guys do (Ha! Had to do it). I think it stems from the fact that we have beaten Notre Dame three years in a row. That's a major chunck of my vivid memory. It also keeps Notre Dame fans who are my age a little bit more in check. They still buy into the "Notre Dame Arrogance" but it's more mild than their parents' or grandparents'. I love beating Notre Dame, and would hate losing to them, but I don't hate them. MSU on the other hand...hell if we don't beat them this year, their fans will be unbearable. I don't think I'll ever hate Notre Dame as much as I hate MSU (or OSU).
To put it in perspective, imagine losing 4 in a row to MSU, and MSU not being a way worse school, with practically no history, and were in fact the program that came closest to equaling ours... and at the same time they were beating us they won a National Championship, tons of NFL players, and a coach who wasn't just real good but great. At the same time we weren't actually bad, and MSU suddenly became a program that got all the calls. Oh, and all the hype over the program wouldn't just be in-state, but nationally. Then you have an idea what it was like.
Well those of us who were young in the 80s and 90s now run the networks, college football, and, yea verily, the entire world. We've got the cash and the power (for now) which means Notre Dame will be loved and hated to obsession, over played, and over hyped. They're the Yankees/Red Wings/Cowboys of college football until we pass the reins to others who may not recognize the shining stain that is Notre Dame.
To be honest, I think it's kinda sad. Oxymoronically (another new one?) hating Notre Dame is one of the things I love about college football. Like us, they embody college football tradition and pagentry, from a time when those things carried more weight than maybe they do now. Hating Ohio is in our DNA. If I can pass hatred of Notre Dame on to my children.... well now... that means I've been able to pass on something that goes beyond plain instinct.
To be fair, if we had beaten anyone (excepting IU or a MAC school or something) the way we've beaten ND the last three years it would still be exciting as hell.
UTL was more special because of the ND rivalry, but I'd like to hear anyone say it wouldn't have been just as awesome if State had been on the losing end, let alone what we'd be saying if it was Ohio.
It's pretty awesome how closely the "famous for being famous" Hilton and your description of ND parallel one another--change a few words here and there, and the post is like a Mad-Lib for the post-prime set.
Except for the top-notch academic bit, of course. Not sure there's anything short of a complete re-write that'll make that one applicable to Ms. H.
How are you guys going to rip on ND when we've BARELY beaten them the last 3 years, and have gone apeshit for each one of them?
But that's not really fair, because ND is a rivalry game for us. And any fan would go apeshit when his team wins in the final seconds of a game. We all celebrate the Braylonfest game in '04, despite the fact that MSU was a 5-7 team that year.
wow. harsh stuff indeed, yet also very, very true.
Rick Reilly finally wrote down what everyone else has been thinking (so gloriously blunt). I say we should make Rick an honorary Michigan fan and thank him for ever so truthful words. Maybe he can enjoy winning for a change and write up something nice about Michigan Football. Thanks to the article, those delusional Irish fans can truely see how bad they have been and how irrelevant they truely are. The only people that think ND is any good or can be good is Lou Holtz and Alumni.
ITS GREAT TO BE A MICHIGAN WOLVERINE!
I'd hardly call Alabama a "national brand". I have never in my life been anywhere and witnessed a random person wearing an Alabama t-shirt.
I was thinking the same thing a few weeks ago, how even here in NOva Scotia I see lots of ND, USC, UM mechandise but never anything like FSU, Flor., Ala, Auburn etc. I can go anywhere in the world and see those other schools represented but never any of the SEC schools.
Just as I was thinking this I walked up to a guy wearing an Alabama hat and just about fell over. The curiosity got to me so I went over and asked if he was just a fan or an alum or what. He told me he was up from Alabama on vacation. I breathed a sigh of relief, convinced my preconceived notions were correct.
There are a good number of fans/grads from the bigger SEC schools (UF, Bama, UGA) in LA. Not as many as form the Midwest, but I see them often enough.
I think he was using Alabama as an example of someone who isn't. His sentence, "ND is no more of a National Brand than Alabama, USC, or Stanford". He's using those 3 as teams that are good, but aren't National Brands, and saying ND is lower than them
Even though I mostly agree with the substance of the article on the irrelevance of ND, I still don't like Rick Reilly. And beating up on ND is like shooting fish in a barrel. Even Drew Sharp or Rosenburg could do that.
As for comments on the NBC deal, it all has to do with product people will watch. That has to do with popularity and Nielsen ratings. This is true in every sport.
Ratings drives money, and money drives almost everything. As long as ND is one of the most popular teams in the country, you can bet some network will give them a sweetheart deal.
However, I fully agree that the bowl situation needs to change. For that matter, I'm on the fence with Michigan's continuing regular game with ND, even though someone is selling me two tickets at face and I'll be in South Bend for the game.
Wait, wait, let me get this straight...television conglomerates base their lineups on viewership?? Thanks for blowing my mind fella.
"In short, until Notre Dame football starts winning again, it's Rice to me." - Rick Reilly
He might be closer to the truth than he realizes. Going back to 1990, Rice has won 112 games, and ND has won 170. Rice averages 5 wins each year, but although ND average 8, it should be noted that whereas the minimum and maximum number of wins for Rice are 2 and 10 respectively, ND isn't much better at 3 and 11 respectively. In each case, the standard deviation for each team in that period turns out to be 2 wins, so they are relatively consistent performers in their respective situations. Rice has also won more games in a season than ND six times in that span, and has tied their record in another four seasons. Notre Dame might be Rice with slightly better talent and coaching historically, in essence.
To hell with Rice too!
I don't care who wrote this article.. It was pure entertainment in its finest sense. I can be ADD when it comes to reading articles, but I was fixed on every word like it was UTL all over again. Loved the poop out of it.
Also the first Rick Reilly article i've read in a number of years. However the one thing i see in this is simply ESPN prooganda trying to preemptively strike out at NBC. Its a decent article (because it is negative to ND) that really is just a potshot at a competitor. Perhaps a bit afraid of NBC Sports?
Hate to break it to you guys, you are in the same boat as us. Just in a conference.
Last major ND bowl win: 1994.
1997 National Championship.
Last ND National Championship: 1988.
Three in a row and five of the last six. Not to mention you had a five loss season and lost to FSU in the ACC's third pick bowl game.
Wins in this century, M: 99, ND: 88.
We've had our struggles this past decade, the worst for us since the 1960's. Even with us being down most of this century, we're still a hell of a long way from being ND.
Oh right, I forgot about your massive string of National Championships, or even being in the NCG. Oh wait your previous NC was in.....................................1948. !?
But hold the phone here fellas. I didn't say that to compare dick sizes. You are a Legend Program, like ND. Your name carries across the miles, like ND. You are just as irrelevant on the national stage as we are currently.
Don't kid yourself, you are not far off from where we are at.
You're not THAT bright when you're sober.
You are in a much smaller shittier boat that keeps sinking every three years.
P.S. You are due for a new falling coach.
How many times in a row have you beaten us?
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but our ship is turning fast. Michigan is again seen as a place top talent wants to be. ND, not so much. But let's not let reality affect our analysis.
ND not so much? Do you put stock into recruiting classes? We are in the same boat. And how exactly is your ship turning fast?
Not really. But then again if you're living in the past you may have missed all of last season, or the times Michigan was ranked in the top 10 under Carr in the 2000's. Even during our worst 3 seasons in school history we still beat ND.
I didn't miss any of last season. In fact I can't remember a team being as lucky as you were. Every bounce went your way, 86% fumble recovery rate? Unheard of. Ass hammered by State, again, and still get a BCS bowl over the BIGs second best team. Then secure a BCS bowl against...... Virginia Tech? Who out gained you, by the way, by a wide margin. Who also got stomped by Clemson twice. Yah that Clemson that got 70 points rolled up on them. Not to mention the pounding ND was putting on you, in your own house, until the meltdown and subsequent Gary Gray performing as a pylon routine.
Congrats to Carr for a successful string of 2 top10 finishes in the 2000-2008. How many NCs did that get you? Oh wait, you base your success on winning the BIG, my bad. Congrats on that though!
As far as beating ND, I give you that. But its not like you were curbstomping us. 3 last minute victories in a row. Yah, thats how close we are.
Rank schools in order of recruit preference:
If you put anyone in front of LSU and Bama, you are high.
want about luck, but we have actually gone to bowl games and beaten programs such as Florida and Virginia Tech in recent years. Your squad beat Hawaii in a bowl game though. And then before that, there was that time in the early 90's right?
No Freekbass, for one thing.
When has Lou Holtz ever said ND is "livin a lie?" he's the biggest homer there is
He's said that about others, not ND. It is just happy coincidence that he said it and is also a former coach of ND.
ESPN's top question. Did Holtz just drool?
Reilly can be a pompous, self-serving idiot, but he nailed it all with this. ND hasn't been the same since Under the Tarnished Dome came out, and they will probably end up firing Kelly before he has a chance to finish what he has started.
The most amazing thing about ND is that it seems like they always get a great recruiting class, and have a sideline full of four and five stars, but still can't mold them into a cohesive unit.
The "Luck of the Irish" has turned into the perpetual "Suck of the Irish."
The only thing I disagree on is the TV contract. NBC didn't get to be NBC by making stupid decisions. If they weren't making money on ND, they would have ended the relationship long ago. Somebody is still turning those TV sets to NBC when the games are on.
As long as enough people are watching, NBC is justified in giving ND the contract, no matter how irritating it is to the rest of us.
I think part of the reason is that Touchdown Jesus has abandoned ND and is now backing Tim Tebow.
I have seen them.
Trashing ND will get a bump in site traffic--not that I disagree with the gist of his piece.
I'm really worried about the Notre Dame game this year. I hear they really want to beat us. They will probably be mad enough to build a lead against us through three quarters only to see it dissolve on the final drive....
I am not a Rick Reilly fan but he hit the nail on the head. The NCAA talks about equality yet they treat Notre Dame like a dema god. Notre Dame should play BB in the Big East, baseball in the Big 12, all other minor sports in the ACC, leave
football as an independent, claim to be America's team and keep screwing NBC for years to come. Oh wait! They already do that. The Big East should have kicked their sorry asses out of the conference years ago when they wouldn't bring their precious football team into the conference. With the media talking about Notre Dame, the Jets and Dallas, I am sick of the media giving special attention to these teams. Thy all suck.
Mike Golic was railing against Reilly's article this morning on "Mike and Mike," saying that any school would take all the perks of a national TV contract, etc. so they shouldn't be criticized. He said "They're not holding a gun to anyone's head" to get this stuff.