Where are you seeing this?
*scours The Fort*
Where are you seeing this?
*scours The Fort*
It's posted over at hailvictors.com. From a well-respected user there.
That is awesome. I will sleep easier tonight.
..if I could. Great VH Signal.
that's awesome. i LOL
It's probably copyright infringement, but can you do one with the Van Halen symbol? That'd be sweet.
(i.e. my girlfriend) has advised against it.
Also, I tried, and it didn't look as good.
Oh well. Plus one anyway.
It is somehow so reassuring.
+105, that has to be a record.
I'm sure Shredder or MTGTM have similar posbang totals for their MS Paint contributions. Does anyone know who has the Mgoblog record for biggest posbang for a single post?
I'm hearing rumblings from Charlie Weis getting out of bed.
Hey, no more Charlie Weis fat jokes. There was a post a little back letting everyone know that they are no longer funny. If they were still funny, I would have enjoyed that very much, but since I've been told they are not, I didn't.
"I'm hearing rumblings?"
And sign the prenup.
As the wise Beyonce once said: "if you liked it than you shoulda put a ring on it"
Wise? No. Hot? Yes.
Do you have one?
or is this a 'gut feeling?'
I'm hearing rumblings that Ash recently committed to West Virginia.
Oh, that's not a "rumbling", that is a fact.
Link it!!!!! Or delete it....
We don't need every guy that's bored at work starting threads based on their gut's rumbling pre-lunch
I'm biting, now please elaborate.
Is =/= the same thing as ≠?
It's also the same as != for all the Software Engineers out there.
Don't forget <> if you deign to use VB.net...
Edit: Posted this before getting to the second page and seeing about 8 other people mentioned it. Sorry.
Me no feel like using Char Map.
<> is not equal to in programming talk!
I've programmed in languages that used both <> and !=
For whatever reason I went with =/= in this instance.
you're supposed to write no homo after something like that......
He heard "rumblings" on Scout from Braylon--in the form of one of Braylon's typical "Hey! Something's up!"
Actually, Braylon said he heard UM is very possibly going to get #24 tomorrow and it's a defensive player from Florida.
RUMBLE RUMBLE I'm a Double Secret Insider rumble rumble I heard. I know a player who farted in an elevator and I smelled it...
Confirm or deny?
Not enought F-Bombs in his posts so far to be KoB me thinks.
No f-bombs, but there is a flatus reference. Considering two of his other handles were KoB and Barking Sphincter, it certainly fits his MO.
I thought the same thing yesterday
Something weird is going on. We're sending out new offers and bringing in all kinds of official visitors, but we only have 1 or 2 spots left. Somebody has to be on the verge of being Peace-ed.
I know, right? It's like a mystery; who can figure out what the hell the UM staff is up to. It's going to be really crazy upto signing day.
I just take comfort in knowing that this coaching staff is working their asses off trying to get Michigan back to where it should be. I love the constant news of another offer and official visits. Its this kind of work that is going to turn us around.
I know you werent criticizing the coaches, magnus, I am just excited to hear about them working so hard.
I'm gonna trust them on this one. I hope/think they know exactly what they're doing. Hopefully they've got some tricks up their sleeves that none of us know about.
...we are going to get snake oiled by someone
We'll oversign, and send the players that don't make it to Purdue as compensation.
I don't think this is where you were going with this, but it triggered a question in my mind. I'm definitely not up on the Big Ten "25 scholarship" rule, but (and this is totally because I really don't know), what would happen if Michigan were to bring in more than 25 scholarship players (since the NCAA doesn't have a 25 scholarship limit)? What is the penalty and how enforceable is it?
I have no idea. Perhaps we should shoot an email to Nick Saban, I hear he has a lot of experience with these sorts of things.
or maybe Butch Davis if Saban decides not to help...
I am pretty sure that the 25 scholarship annual limit is an NCAA-wide rule. Conferences only differ with respect to the gray areas about getting under the limit. The recent Big Ten rule that (allegedly) just passed no longer allows early enrollees to be counted under the prior year. The Big Ten also only allows you to sign (I think) 28 players to an LOI, whereas in the recent past SEC schools have signed well over 30 knowing that a large number of them would be unable to qualify by the time they had to enroll or be issued an actual scholarship, thus keeping them under the 25 scholarship limit.
"I am pretty sure that the 25 scholarship annual limit is an NCAA-wide rule."
I'm pretty sure it's not.
"Current rules allow FBS institutions to provide scholarships to 25 new student-athletes per year. However, some schools traditionally have signed more than that to protect themselves in the event that some prospects do not qualify academically. The SEC set a cap of 28 for its own institutions earlier this year, and at that time conference leaders said they viewed the letter of intent as an institutional commitment to a prospect who is capable of contributing academically and athletically. The Big Ten has a similar policy. (source: NCAA)"
Since I can't edit or delete my prior post, I retract and apologize.
I still had to look it up. Between the different attempts to get around the rules and the changes in the rules and the conferences having different rules from each other, the whole thing has my head spinning.
What I think is going on now is that the staff will sign the maximum 28 guys they can (or at least try to) with the hope/expectation that three don't enroll for whatever reason by the time the actual scholarships get handed out.
Looks like we are doing a good job with the snake oil ourselves. Keep is brewing RR!
So far, we've got what looks like two guys with grade issues: Kinnard and Drake. There is (I hate, but it's there) talk of Jeremy Jackson and a gray shirt possibility (by posters, no one elts). You can go to 28; there is ambiguity surrounding the early entry rule.
Oh man, there's so much confusion
it's giving me a contusion
and I'm suffering from delusions
I just wish all this were an illusion!
Basically posters just think that Jeremy Jackson's dad can swing the tuition. Other posters have suggested that Vinopal can too - I guess it's b/c he doesn't look poor, and because he seems to really want to go to Michigan.
I think its a lot of BS though. Those kids would come on scholarship next year. umhero stated in another thread that we're down to 16 schollies for next year. So next year's class would be even smaller if we apply gray shirts this year.
I think its more likely that some of the lower recruits get Peace'd ... or, get this ... maybe the higher recruits aren't that interested in us anyways.
... I inquired about him getting an academic scholarship on a previous post. Kids got a 4.5 GPA. When your GPA could double as your 40 time, you probably should automatically get academic scholarships.
I'm quite certain that the academic scholarship counts against the football scholarships.
If it didn't, then schools would be dishing out "academic" scholarships, track scholarships, and the Braylon Edwards scholarhip to about 30 players.
EDIT: Just think about how easy it would be for a school like Cincy to dish out "academic" scholarhips in addition to football scholarships. They'd have 200 players.
Tuition is free for university employee's children? Or is it just for Professors?
Neither I think.
I know that regular employees don't get free tution for the kids, and I have a couple friends that are kids of Profs and I'm pretty sure they are not on a free ride.
For as big a budget screw as UM is in this doesn't surprise me in the least.
It was half tuition for faculty and staff kids as of 2004.
I'm not in on the speculation about jeremy Jackson. I think you give him a scholarship and thank his pops for all his loyal years at UM.
As for academic scholarships--can't do that. If they on the team on any scholarship it counts against the team scholarships.
but someone said the other day that regardless of what the scholarship is for, if you play football you count against the football scholarship limit. I think it was Tom VH or TOB but I am not certain.
edit* great minds think alike.....mine was just a little slower typing than the other two :)
... is that it won't work. I think I get it now.
In that case... we are in jeopardy on becoming that which we railed against all last year with Alabama and North Carolina. Hope it doesn't play out that way, but the risk is there.
While I agree with the general sentiment, from what I remember, everyone's main complaint with the way 'bama handled things is that they were signing players in excess of the total scholarship limit of 85. They signed higher ranked kids out of high school, and then yanked scholarships from kids who were already on the team to make room.
What it seems like we may be doing is offering more scholarships than we have to give out for this year, which means some of our lower rated commits may get the Peace/Barnes treatment.
Like many other posters here, I am not completely comfortable with our approach. By accepting commitments from lower-ranked kids, and then dropping them at the last minute, there is a strong possibility that they can't find another offer. This sucks, but at the same time, I don't find it quite as slimy as what Saban has done.
Good distinction that I haven't seen posted on here before.
I really doubt that these kids just wind up never going to college. They land on their feet as long as it's done a week or more before NLOI day and even then they can still find somewhere to go.
I would be willing to bet that most of these kids land on their feet and still get to play football somewhere (but can't say definitively one way or the other). I also know that there's immense pressure on RR and other coaches at high profile universities, so I understand the incentive to drop a lesser prospect for someone who took longer to come around. Still, despite all of that, I still find the the whole idea distasteful and wish it wasn't a part of the reality of college football today
This is the best recruiting strategy I've ever heard. We should only recruit players whose GPA is greater than or equal to their 40 time.
This is the best recruiting strategy I've ever heard. We should only recruit players whose GPA is greater than or equal to their 40 time.
And at the same time, recruit really, really dumb players.
If I could substitute my 40 time for my GPA, I'd be a Rhodes Scholar twice.
How many FAKE!s can you give a GPA?
Even my ridiculously weighted GPA from HS would translate to a 40 time that would be about 9 Fakes out of 5.
Yeah then we should take those 1.8 kids that go to WVU. No wonder they're so fast
For some reason, Paskorz reminds me of Barnes from last year. I can't claim to have read MGoBlog everyday, so maybe I've missed posts about him. However, it seems like I've only heard about Paskorz when he committed, and it's been quiet ever since. Last year it was said that the coaches cooled down on Barnes due to his senior season performances. I wonder if there have been commits who did't impress their senior season this time around also.
REFRESH REFRESH REFRESH
Also, I really love this bit of journalistic virtuoso, per rivals:
"Pahokee (FL) four-star defensive tackle Richard Ash is considered a four-star prospect by Rivals.com. "
That op is just mean! You almost caused me to wreck my work truck!
It's so rude when OPs make posts that cause drivers who are playing with their iPhones to crash. I think OPs should have more respect than that.
Yeah you know me!
It is a Blackberry but thanks for backin me up there. Some people just don't have common courtesy.
I thought three question marks would be enough for people to realize I wasn't stating a fact and was looking for confirmation from some folks here. Hell, it's exciting news, if true.
this would be exciting but dont you have anything to back up what you are saying. I mean anyone could just post bs and saying they've heard things and without a cited source it has no credibility...kind of like your post
I just have to believe that the staff know that a number of the verbals they've gotten already aren't going to materialize due to grades, de-commits, etc. and they're covering their bases/asses. Otherwise things don't seem to add up. How many guys can they realistically grey-shirt? Attending Michigan ain't cheap if you're paying for it yourself.
"I just have to believe that the staff know that a number of the verbals they've gotten already aren't going to materialize due to grades, de-commits, etc."
Or maybe they have found a loop hole in this phantom rule that no one can find or read about anywhere.
"Or maybe they have found a loop hole in this phantom rule that no one can find or read about anywhere."
That's what I'm wondering. From a legal perspective, if it's not an actual set in stone policy I can't see how the Big Ten (or better yet, the NCAA) can bind anyone to it.
This whole "25 rule" seems very starnge to me. Tom VH talked to someone in compliance who said it does exist, but it can't be found anywhere, and multiple people have tried (I know at least myself and umhero have dug for it).
The whole thing sounds crazy, and there isn't even any evidence of the actual rule. I am hoping they have found a loop hole to this supposed "rule".
I don't know if "loophole" is the word/approach I would use, but rather (1) challenge whether the rule actually exists (re: EEs) and (2) challenge the enforceability of the 25 limit.
Are any other Big Ten schools approaching 25 commits? I kind of like the mental picture of Rod and Martin flipping Delaney the bird on NSD- "This is for Mouton!"
I've heard Tim Brewster say multiple times that he plans on signing 30 players in February for Minnesota, FWIW.
This would open up four more spaces and allow us to sign 29 with 4 of them EEs. Under this circumstance we would not be able to have all fifth years return or experience more attrition.
This supposed rule only took effect this year, previously it adhered to the NCAA rule on early enrolees. I can't imagine they dropped it before it really ever took effect. A good question would be if they really ever changed it because there is very little evidence that they have (only people takling with nothing written).
Even though Newsome and Beaver were "committed" at QB? It's not necessarily going to be a Peace/Barnes scenario - which I personally believe is unethical - it may be that some of our current commits aren't as committed as we all think.
I asked in a thread a few days ago but didn't get an answer, what can the Big 10 do if rich rod says screw the limit and signs over 25? Since it isn't a NCAA violation can they strip us of scholarships and post season play or just give us a wag of the finger?
College basketball recruiting.
College basketball recruiting.
I think you two just shared a special moment...
Football recruiting: 1 shady out of 5 shadies (not very much);
Baseball recruiting: 2 shadies out 5 shadies (sort of shady);
Hockey recruiting: 3 shadies out of 5 shadies (kinda' shady)
SEC football recruting: 4 shadies out 5 shadies (pretty damn shady)
Basketball recruiting: 5 shadies out 5 shadies (wtf nonprofit AAU organizations etc. etc.)
If it's true, that is awesome news. Thanks for the post.
I think this might have legs.
That is all.
One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. "Oh no," I said, "Disneyland burned down."
He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a
pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but decided to go home instead.
I love that Deep Thought. I think there's a line in there about "but it was getting late, so I decided to go home instead."
If you ever accidentally drop your keys in a river of molten lava, let em go, 'cause man, they're gone.
If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, 'cause hey, free dummy.
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
I didn't mean to use the word "crap," but to me, that's what her dinner tasted like.
and I found a skeleton. I thought "Who was this man? What did he accomplish in his life? Did he leave behind loved ones? Why does he have antlers?"
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their SHOES!
Go forth with great furor.
EDIT: This was supposed to be a reply to aawolve.
Braylon is never really given to this kind of open speculation. I'd trust it.
From his scout profile: "Ash reports a 2.5 core GPA and a 16 ACT, which he will retake."
I believe this puts him in the area of questionable qualifier. Over signing conspiracy theories live here. CONSPIRACY!!
Insurance check AND free demolition? I didn't even have to go Herbstreit.
Really though, I am in no way associated with the business. When trying to find a name that is associated with Ann Arbor, this one seemed right. I do have some very fond memories of street fighter, tekken, mortal combat and $0.25 sodas in that place from the late 90's.
The place you went to still exists. What burned down was the old PP location, which was abandoned around 15 years ago for the current one on the other side of South U.
This is complete speculation, but I think Carvin Johnson might be a softer commitment than we realize, and part of the reason we seem to be over-recruiting. Check out the Friday Night Lights post: "LSU is starting to show interest... more on that situation tomorrow..."
...the comments from Carvin's coach after the commit led one to believe that LSU really dropped the ball and may not be contenders even if they offer. Maybe Carvin feels disresepected? And Les' image has to have been tarnished as a coach in recent weeks with the end of this season.
the comments served as advertising for his player that if and when offered, he'd probably bite. I would not be surprised if we fail to land Jefferson, lose Johnson, and perhaps another yet. I'd think the coaches know what is going on, and there has to be a reason they wanted Vinopal and are still out there actively recruting dbs.
Good points but if it was advertising, why only posting on Michigan forums and boards?
That said, great point about RR still pursuing Vinopal...
They may have also taken a look at our defense this last year and thought, well, couldn't hurt to recruit every able bodied DB.
As opposed the what--the sterling image of our coach and program right now?
I really hope Carvin keeps to his word with RR.
I am really unreasonably high on him... something to do with him putting up great numbers, being the best player on one of the best teams in LA. I think he is terribly underrated by the "gurus" on scout/rivals. Just a good feeling about him.
If it were the case that he was just underrated by scouting sites, then he would have more offers. Unless, of course, you think that coaches recruit only based on what the scouting sites say? When in doubt, look at a prospect's offers list. The fact that he doesn't have very many offers is disconcerting to me. And the fact that the only other FBS offer he has is from the school in his own backyard doesn't make me feel much better.
I think Drake might be out. There's the qualifying thing, but he hasn't even taken an official visit yet and he committed back in March. If he ends up bolting, that would be another Hopson recruit who didn't make it in (Graves and Jones last year).
Drake probably has better offers now that he wasn't stuck behind another D1 prospect all year. He's also looking up 6 or 7 guys at the slot before he sets foot on campus
Is it possible that RR is encouraging kids who seem to marginally be in academically to go to JC for a semester anyways (a la Adrian Witty)? If he can convince 4 or 5 guys that this is the right move, then we could have a huge class.
Is that unethical? I think it could be a weird way of looking out for the kids' best interest: ease into college classes at JC before being thrown into the fire of UofM classes having barely passed the NCAA standards...
I don't think our admissions department would like that. It doesn't accept many JUCO credits. What we might do instead (which Lloyd Carr also did a few times) is "grayshirt" a couple of players for next season. Of course, the downside of grayshirting is that it reduces the number of scholarships available for next year's class.
Is it signing day yet? What day in Feburary is it?
look for up to two more kids to transfer out (Carr's recruits of the 08 class). Rumor has it one is a long snapper from Los Vegas, that is being beat out by a walk-on. The other is a slot wr from Texas. Also, Michigan is looking at maybe two kids not qualifing in this upcoming recruiting class and one kid may just decommit altogether. Hence is why they are going to 28
T-Rob and Morales? I'm sure this is someone's wild-ass guess. It's logical, but probably based on absolutely nothing.
If true, losing Morales would be devastating to the WLA.
Please God let this be true.
According to Rivals, we can still sign 28 players on February 3.
Guys, is it just me? Or does it seem like we have a lot of commits?
If indeed we do get Ash tomorrow that will make 24. It is expected that we will sign 28, 3 over the limit of 25 as it is expected that some of the recruits will fail to make grade. It is also possible that some will greyshirt.
Yes. And i hope everyone senses the sarcasm in my comment.
I hope these rumblings don't steal anyone's thunder.
Ash would be #24. There are 22 commits who are graduating this month or in June 2010, plus Adrian Witty from the 2009 graduating class.
And plenty of people have mentioned it but Michigan is recruiting a lot of uncomitted players hard for having so many current commits. I think this class potentially has some very interesting additions come signing day. One thing I thought about with DJ Williamson is would he be able to receive a track scholarship (he's the Ohio 100M State Champion) and then play football without it counting against the football team? Does anyone know if that was the case with Trindon Holiday or was he recruited for football?
is that it does not matter what else you are recruited to play. If you have any scholarship and play football, then your scholarship counts against football.
I checked with a former track team member and was told that the scholarship would count against the football team.
So, in that instance, does that athlete effectively take up two scholarships, one in each sport? Or does the scholarship only count for the higher revenue generating sport?
One scholarship is taken up by the higher revenue generating sport. This is why many football players participate in indoor track. It does not hurt track scholarships.
Then why are football players sometimes recruited with track scholarships? I think Florida or Miami tried this with one of our Floridian ninja recruits. If they were on track scholarship could they practice with the football team as long as they didn't play in games?
Even if the person was not recruited by the football team as soon as they play in a game their scholarship counts towards football. This is the head count sports issue being discussed.
Edit: question answered in another thread. Football is a head count sport. Whether the athlete receives $1 or a full-ride, it counts as 1 of 85.
No, this comment should answer your question. Skip to the part where he talks about football being a headcount sport. http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/early-enrollessclass-size-solved#comment-313410
Yeah, Martavious Odoms was supposedly offered a track scholarship to Miami in order to get him on campus and play football.
So what happened to the ash commit?
Ash has not committed yet.
the latest on the D recruit from Fla a knowledge poster is saying on Scout
Still hearing blue for this particular guy that has not changed. Date may have but from what im hearing his intentions have not. As i said before it was passed on to me that he thought he wanted to announce on wed, today. But it was not 100%. Will keep you posted.... I think (Ash) he favored Florida State and with Bowden getting forced out, I think he is looking at Michigan. Even though he made a silent verball to WVU