One thing RichRod has always been good at is saying things that are true but that - for his own sake - ought to stay unsaid.
One thing RichRod has always been good at is saying things that are true but that - for his own sake - ought to stay unsaid.
Rich has almost no sense of public relations, or how his words are going to be perceived by the outer world, most especially his detractors. Or he doesn't care.
Going to his comment itself, I have no doubt whatsoever that his assessment of entitled players is accurate. You do not lose to Appy State in 2007 without having some element on the team believing their shit didn't stink, and he inherited however many players still on the team in 2008 with that attitude.
The problem is that making anything other than positive comments about his experience at Michigan yields absolutely no benefit for him. He didn't need to reference Michigan when commenting about the buy-in he was getting at AZ.
I don't think I've ever seen another coach care so very, desperately much what the outside world thought of him. That's why he said things like the 'Lombardi' gem about our secondary. That's why he pleaded with the assembled crowd at the football bust that he wanted to be a Michigan Man with tears in his eyes.
It doesn't make him a bad person, but it sure didn't help to make him a better coach.
His two biggest flaws, in my opinion:
Lloyd seemingly had #2 (although not as bad), had very little of #1 (save for a few comments to sideline reporters).
Brady, from what I've seen thus far, has very little of either. Only example that I can think of is the "Shitty season" thing from a few weeks ago.
Amazing what a fine line there is between a good leader and a bad one. I see that now having watched two transitions in 4 years. I admittedly got caught up in the Harbaugh love two years ago. I'm happy with what we ended up with.
Well, those are definitely flaws, but I think that his two biggest flaws are:
1. Can't coach defense to save his life (or job), and
2. Is a terrible leader / manager of a football team (this is different than saying that he is a bad coach - it is actually a stronger indictment. As leader / manager, RR sets the tone for the team and the tone that he set while he was here was not one that was positive. He also continually blames other - usually his 18-22 year old players - which is the mark of a terrible leader).
Also, a close 3rd is crappy recruiter.
Yeah, I don't like RR very much.
which I would think would dissuade any rational person who doesn't care to hear what RR thinks from clicking to read the thread. I'll just scroll down now to confirm this.
Putting aside for a moment who said it and for what motivation, one objective truth is that the proposition about many on the team at that time is almost certainly true. Just sayin'.
1. Rich Rodriguez is no longer the coach of Michigan;
2. The moon landing was real;
3. JFK was assinated by aliens.
There. It's over. Let's move on.
I agree with 2 & 3 but not 1 /s. RR is like a cancer on this site which is almost eradicated, but then metastasizes.
I love how this moron keeps commenting on a team he doesn't coach anymore.
Seriously buddy, you have the worst winning percentage in program history. Brady Hoke passed your career win total here in 1.5 years.
Take a walk and enjoy arizona. They don't have any standards and don't mind swiss cheese defense.
Thank you good sir. So sick of the richrod groupies who constantly defend this idiot. I'm so fucking glad the nightmare of his tenure here is coming to an end and all the players he recruited have moved on. Lets get ready for Michigan football to be back where it's suppose to be GO BLUE!!
You're treading on thin ice.
You totally had me with you until the line about being glad that "all the players he recruited have moved on."
I somewhat share this sentiment in that I am tired of being at a serious talent / depth deficiency because of RR's crappy recruiting and retention. While we may love some of the recent players, there is no denying that some (Vincent Smith, bless his tiny little heart, for example) have physical limitations that prevent us from competing with better teams. The players that Hoke is bringing in are almost across the board more physically talented and have higher upside.
But, I think that there is a difference between recognizing this fact and being glad that players who have worked their asses off for our university have moved on. Despite some of their limitations, I respect and will hold in the highest of regards these players as I have for all Michigan players past. Also, there are certainly a few RR recruits (Denard, Roy) who will be sorely missed.
I second your point with this caveat. Guys like Vincent Smith, who were recruited to play in the spread, might have competed better had Rodriguez been allowed to stick around. For all the maligning some have done on this board over the quality of the talent that Rodriguez brought to Michigan, it's those players that have been winning games for Hoke and company, those clearly they can compete.
Now for Rodriguez to have been successful Year 4 and beyond, he would've had to address the issues with the defensive coaching staff and the serious depth problems on the offensive and defensive lines. I doubt he could've accomplished this in a time span that would've appeased any of us.
That said, I agree with your final paragraph whole-heartedly. Any player who comes to Michigan, works hard at practice, trains hard in the weight room, goes to class, and overall represents the University in a manner that we've come to expect from a Michigan football player deserves to be celebrated and our gratitude, not our scorn.
RR openly acknowledged that he learned valuable transition lessons at UM and he has used the lessons at Arizona. So did the UM Ath Dept.
Everybody can move on until we play Ariz in the Rose Bowl. Onward.
He felt he was entitled to run his offense and his system without the proper personnel in place...while Hoke knew Denard and Co. weren't the right guys for his system he played the cards he was dealt and won a BCS game. If RichRod would have made adjustments for Ryan Mallett and others, RR may still be in AA today.
Well RR must have felt entitled to a real Michigan defense when he stepped on campus cause he sure as hell didnt attempt to improve it while he was here.
RR is correct here. He did a good job of answering a question in a forthright manner without turning it into an inflammatory comment. It is also obvious that the reporter was trying to goad RR into saying something inflammatory, as evidenced by the "wouldn't you love to play Michigan in the Rose Bowl" question that was obviously asked.
Considering the juggernaut that Ohio is assembling, and Michigan's insistence on a 20th century offense, I think Michigan and Arizona are probably even when it comes to the possibility of making Rose Bowls and championship playoffs during the next few years.
Seems to be working pretty well for Alabama, LSU and USC in the 21st century. 6 BCS titles in the last 10 years won by these 3 teams, all of whom used a conventional pro-style offense. Please try watching college football before commenting further.
Please explain this Ohio juggernaut you speak of? Is this the same juggernaut that had a hard time with the Hoosiers?
I think he's referencing the "juggernaut" that just finished 2012 without losing once and it currently compiling a good recruiting class for 2013. Not that I share the same sentiment as the OP (and not that I don't) but I think that's what he's referencing.
Enough of the "they were all against me crap". You stubbornly took a square peg and tried to fit it into your round hole of an offense. If you did what Brady and Company did, look at what you have and develop your team in the short term around that. But you couldn't do that. You had your system, and Carr's players. You were doomed to fail the minute you failed to recognize that. Enough about Rich Rod.
I'mcertain players on every team in America feel entitled. It's the coach's job to deal with those players appropriately.
I love how Michigan fans complain RR talks about Michigan. Yet these keep getting posted and Michigan fans can't help buy talk about RR. Oh the hypocrisy!
Why are you here?
1. The information posted by the Administration of this site is very good.
2. To remind myself what kind of Michigan fan I never want to be.
It is extremely obvious that you aren't a Michigan fan. Your comment history is nothing but insults directed at this blog and Michigan sports in general. What I don't understand is, why fake being a fan? Why not just troll honestly?
Obvious that I am not a Michigan fan? Feel free to give me an email or cell phone number. I will send you pictures of my work desk at work. When I get home I will send you pictures of all my game tickets. I have posted one thread on this site, it was a breakdown of how Michigan could still make the Fiesta Bowl last year. Feel free to find it. Why would a non fan go that far out of his way to "troll."
It clearly isn't that obvious because I am in fact a huge Michigan fan. I just hate the common fan. The common fan is more concerned about making other teams look bad than actually being a fan of their team. Please explain why this needed to be posted? Why did someone post about the President of Ohio St. posting on twitter? Why would ANY real Michigan fan care about his twitter? No matter what it said. If a Michigan State fan says Michigan sucks, does it matter? But it would get posted here. "Keith Appling says Michigan sucks," So what? Why does ANYONE here care what Keith Appling thinks?
But people continue to post about being better than O$U, the ESSEEESEEE, little brother, etc. We post pictures of Treadwell with $305 and them comment that Ole Miss paid him to go there. Does ANYONE here truely believe that makes us look better than anyone? I think it makes us look petty and childish.
Should RR have said what he said? Probably not. But be the bigger man and walk away.
We are not in the public eye. We on this blog are all just nameless fans of a team. RR is a paid Division 1A NCAA football head coach. He is in the public eye, and people do report on what he says. So there is a difference between us fans shooting the shit on comment threads of a blog and RR talking publicly to the media essentially calling out 18 year old kids who played for him. Do you really not get the distinction?
Also: "Should RR have said what he said? Probably not. But be the bigger man and walk away."
Where should we have walked away from? It's not like any of us are calling RR up and threating to kick the guy's ass. We are discussing it in a sports blog thread.
Walk away from even having this discussion about what he said. Just simply answer this. What good did it do to post this link? Was it at all informative? Did you learn anything? Other than the mention of Michigan, is it REALLY Michigan related? Don't come back with he talked about Michigan so its Michigan related. Charles Woodson played for Michigan, everything he does is NOT Michigan related.
Public eye or not, if we want to believe that Michigan fans are better than OSU, MSU, or ND fans, then we should strive to be better them in all facets, not just in the public eye. I would be willing to bet that most of their fans laugh at the fact that we fight over RR. A running joke amongst Wisconsin fans is this. "Want to see Michigan fans turn on eachother? Say RR was a good coach." Opinions are going to differ on this subject, that will never change. But if we aren't posting about it, then you wouldn't have these discussions now would you?
Please, don't feed the trolls.
post on here defending an ex-coach rather than the University for which this blog was created.
Insulting the ex coach is not defending the University for which this blog was created. It is childish banter. Grow up.
ENOUGH! You're acting more childish than the people you complain about. Knock it off.
What am I being childish about? Because my opinion is in the minority? People are directly calling me names, and I need to knock it off. Yes, that makes sense.
Now I'm going to sound childish, but its true so here goes: You started it. You come into the discussion with guns blazing, calling everyone hypocrites and then not expect a harsh response? Your initial posts are the definition of "flamebait" in the moderator tab and it would have been nice if you had gotten the first few hints. Of course, you're also right in that people didn't need to respond in kind, but you probably should have seen it coming. Okay, I've said my peace. I was just trying to nip it in the sapling (I missed the "bud" stage).
I don't think that is childish at all. It is true. I did start it. I knew I would get a harsh response for telling people the truth. Few people want to hear or can accept honesty. I just meant why are you only coming after me and not the rest of them? On the other hand I suppose if I wasn't posting then you wouldn't have to go after them. I am sorry you are a moderator sir.
I am partially posting this just to see if you are so compelled to get the last word in that you respond.
Let me guess? At this moment you are sitting there thinking: damn, I am not going to respond, because that would only prove this guys point. Ha. But, I do have what I believe to be a good response. And how will he know that I have this response if I don't post it. Ah, screw it, I am going to post it. But wait, if I do, he is proven right. But if I don't, he may think that he got me. Damn!!!
Does that about sum it up?
LAST WORD! AHAHAHAHAHA. I digress, I have no clue what you were saying.
The douche is strong with this one.
With comments like this, who would ever believe we are better than anyone else? If you were not a Michigan fan, the rest of us would be better off.
Nothing like having someone else prove your point for you.
Thanks for playing.
Just remember RR haters. He is still a more accomplished coach than Hoke. I can only imagine how fast this fan base will turn on Hoke if he doesnt win a Big Ten title in the next 3 years.
He has the lowest winning percentage in program history, and Hoke passed his win total in half the time rr was here.
Yeah really successful.
Newsflash, FOOTBALL IS PLAYED OUTSIDE OF MICHIGAN. Hoke has more wins as the head coach of Michigan than Les Miles too. Yes Miles is still more accomplished.
RR lead his teams to 2 BCS games. He won 1 of them. He didn't coach in the 2nd. He also won BCS conference titles. Something Hoke hasn't done.
are what we call a "fatard.".
Newsflash, Brady Hoke has only coached in 1 BCS game and won it, so right now his winning percentage in BCS games is 1.000. Rich Rodriguez is at .500, so your logic is a little askew. Yes WVU won conference titles, but only 1 outright, the other three they shared with someone else.
.500? What BCS game did he lose? He didn't coach in the game. The team won all the same. He is either 1-0 or 2-0. However you would like put it
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Shared conference title is still a conference title. Or are you suggesting Michigan take down the Basketball banner from last year?
My mistake I misread the WVU stats online. But you're the one person claiming a coach who won 15 games in three years using Lloyd Carr's players is more accomplished than the coach who has won 19 games in two years using players Rich Rodriguez recruited.