his team still got the job done in a bowl game....no matter the opponent.
I GET IT
his team still got the job done in a bowl game....no matter the opponent.
so if Arizona had played Pioneer in a bowl game would we say "At least his team got the job done, we were just screwing around with some West Carolina team! WE SUCK"
He got lucky when Nevada fulbbed the onside kick and could take on a gassed defense that wasn't very good. Arizona was getting its ass kicked for three and a half quarters by a half-decent Mountain West team. Taking anything from that bowl game as a comparitve value is beyond meaningless.
These are the same people who think beating USC last year = USC in a Rose Bowl with National Championship caliber teams.
...enjoy the sunshine and pretty girls in Zona and focus on bringing back that Desert Swarm Defense...you don't need to worry about Michigan we will be just fine.
Got in before the delete sweet.
This guy is full of them. Sounds more like a "Rich Rod" problem then a Michigan problem.
It's probably easy to do when you're at a big-time program like Michigan. People relying on the success of the past to simply propel them through the future. Just my personal bit.
I wish I wasn't moderator.
Other than the cool point total, i'm guessing it's a lot like chasing toddlers around all day. I don't envy you.
I was going to write the ironic and expected "This will end well" post but was too late in opening the thread. nm.
a RichRod thread. Time to break out the popcorn, this is going to get fun.
Probably every major college football program has guys that "feel entitled". Maybe they were big stars in high school and now have to work their butts off. Or maybe their father or uncle played for the school and were big stars and the son is living off the legacy. Like Brown Bear said, it's up to the coach to get them motivated.
Well I feel entitled and I'm not good at football.
I'm American, fergodsakes.
~Homer Jay Simpson.
Sounds like RR might have had some entitlement issues of his own... Like he didn't have the players that he thought he was entitled to.
It appears RichRod feels entitled to his opinion.
I'm at a loss to explain why what he said is causing any consternation on the board. I think it's a pretty well documented fact that the environment around the team circa 2007 HAD become one of etitlement and malaise (see horror - Sept, 2007) and that predated RR's arrival.
If you believe John Bacon it was that very sense of entitlement and Rich's attempt to end it (badly I might add) that led directly to the divisions withing the football community. He was right on identifying the problem IMO but completely wrong in how he tried to correct it.
What Rich should have said was "there was a sense of entitlement in the football program that i inherted in 2008. Unfortunately I did a poor job of trying to change it."
Than the fact he can't help himself from saying it. And what purpose it serves at this point. Maybe they needed a non-comment clause that was apparently required when Shafer left Rich's staff, to prevent this stuff.
Contrast that with Brandon, who's a marketing guy, who could have had all sorts of "rumors" leaked to the press to make Rich look bad and justify the firing, as all sorts of programs professional and college do (take a look at the character assassination the Pistons do when replacing coaches about what a jerk the guy was behind the scenes, or how he had lost the team). But they have moved on and pretty much don't say anything about him that might have appeared negative to potential hiring suitors.
Stop taking bait from media trolls like Matt Hayes is always a good start.
This thread is entitled "Rich Rodriguez "Some Michigan Players Felt Entitled"."
I wonder if there were any coaches who had a little (albeit Big East) past success and felt entitled? p.s. Free advice, Rich - SSShhhhhhhhh.
Listen Richard, If you want to answer questions fine but dont make it sound like it was all the kids fault..some of them didnt buy in and you also made mistakes..it just didnt work..we are both seeing other people now so lets just move on.
"Michigan won three games in Rodriguez’s first season after winning 11 the previous season. "
Interesting, I didn't realize we won 11 games in 2007...Wikipedia and my memory tell me it was 9 wins. Maybe we did beat App State and Oregon to start the year...
Good point, and I could see that. Completley crap grammar if that is the case, although should I be surprised by that?
I couldn't care less about Rich Rod's opinion. UM has a different coach and he is coaching somewhere else. I have moved on.
Hey anyone notice the basketball team is the #1 ranked team in the nation?
We're entitled to that #1 ranking. We used to have the Fab Five.
If that season is considered some kind of success, as anything but a first season, then RichRod's coaching ability may not have declined but expectations of him certainly have.
If I never hear the words "Rich Rodriguez" ever again I will die a happy man.
At best he is good offensive mind. He is a horrible leader, leadership 101 don't blame the people who work for you, they work for you and if they fail it is the leaders fault. If you blame them, make them look like crap to people outside the family they will not perform. It is always someone else that is the issue with RR. Cupboard is bare. Players not doing what they are taught. Vince Lombardi couldn't coach this defense, a defense that he could have recruited better talent for and, by the way, maybe Lombardi couldn't but Greg Mattison sure did. Now it is that Michigan players acted entitled. All excuses, who is going to fix these issues if it isn't the Head Football Coach? His job was to take care of everyone of these things.
...outstanding take on the matter. RichRod was a completely horrible leader of a football program (separate and distinct from any evaluation of his coaching capabilities).
...looking for a place kicker on the way to the game.
That's as clean a study of this as we'll ever see. That comment, vs. Hoke's "Brunettes".
The results speak for themselves.
You hired GERG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most of us gave Rich the benefit of the doubt when he was here, and even secretly may want him to do well at Zona, but this crap may have caused me to be a little bristly about him. He needs to shut his trap, worry about Zona football and get a DC who can cooridnate a championship level defense. If he is asked about Michigan, he should simply wish us well and re-direct back to Zona. I am tried of him yapping about entitlement, lack of commitment, cultural fit. Hey Rich, no one cares!!
If nobody cares, then why does he continue to get asked about his time at Michigan? Also, if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
If nobody cares, why is this thread already at 130 comments and climbing rapidly?
Because people can't just refrain from commenting. Its like a bad horror film where the characters hear a scary sound and decide, "hey, lets go check it out." We all know how its going to end up.
That said, this has been a pretty tame thread. Most people are finally moving on, it appears. Huzzah!
Most of us gave Rich the benefit of the doubt when he was here, and even secretly may want him to do well at Zona,
I have to ask why anyone here would want to wish Coach Rodriguez anything other than success at Arizona, secret or otherwise? Except in the event that he is facing off against us of course.
So many are up in arms because Rodriguez is pointing out that he started out at Michigan in an uphill battle because many of his seniors, the ones that should've been circling the wagons to help see Michigan through this transition, put their personal needs ahead of the teams. Some are quick to lay this attitude at Rodriguez's feet as a lack of leadership on his part, but I think that's unfair.
Rodriguez's reception from his inherited team stands in stark contrast to the reception that Brady Hoke got when he took over, and I don't attribute that difference as any higher level of quality of leadership on Hoke's part. I attribute that difference to the quality of the character of the leaders on that team.
The 2011 team was successful primarily because leaders like David Molk, Mike Martin, and Troy Woolfolk refused to let the team tear apart. The 2008 team failed because those seniors didn't demand that kind of commitment from the team and quit on the program to some degree. Those guys were apathetic toward a program that had grown contented and stale over the years.
All Rodriguez did in this interview was point that out, which I don't see why that's got so many folks outraged.
I really hope the majority of posters on this site don't represent what the majority of Michigan fans are. Most of you seem extremely entitled. You whine and cry about everything. I'm so glad I live 10 hours from AA.
Boohoo RR talked about my school. Boohoo Jalen Rose wants to watch my team play. Get over yourselves. Get off your high horse, you aren't better than everyone else.
I'm glad you live 10 hours from A2 as well. It isn't a high horse or entitlement. If you had really been following this, you would know it is arrogance. Don't forget to mention Walmart Wolverines; it will always add to your credibility.
You're a moron. If you could move more than 10 hours away, that'd be great.
Most of the people who post on this site make me ashamed to be a Michigan fan. Most of you are just homers. You go out of your way to post things about people/schools you don't like. Then you make posts laughing about how others can't stop talking about you. Few days go by that someone doesn't post something about OSU ND or MSU. Hypocrites.
In all seriousness, what you point out is simply inherently a part of being a fan of a team. Other teams are always worse than your favorite and your favorite can seemingly do no wrong (or at least not a lot of wrong). Its just how the mind works, how people justify being a more-than-average fan of a team. People on this site are obviously more than your average Michigan fan insofar as we exceed the average interest in the day-to-day goings-on. If there are a few of us that sometimes say silly things or contradict ourselves, I'm not sure what to tell you. There are many, many things more serious than this when it comes to being a fan (see, e.g., justifying honoring Tressel at the 'Shoe, remaining a Joe Paterno fan, etc., etc.). If this is the worst then its definitely great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
I couldn't disagree more. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean you have to HATE your rivals. It especially doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to attempt to belittle them to show your superiority. If you know you are better than OSU, MSU, ND, why do you need to post about it?
Yesterday in the Treadwell thread, people talked about how rich people don't need to brag that they are rich. So if we are so great, why do we have to constantly go out of our way to cut down other programs?
What you are describing is a fanatic, not a fan.
Don't worry about it man, this site has a bunch of whiners. I just got neg bombed for a political coment a couple weeks ago and took my points to 0. Oh well, people find a way to complain about rich rod. I personally don't care. What he said about players feeling entitled is pretty much true, should he have said anything now, probably not, but who cares.
No politics. Is that rule so difficult to understand? Politics is the enriched uranium of a blog of highly intelligent posters such as ourselves (yes, I said it). Do you enjoy e-fighting? If so, take it somewhere else.
They didn't win 11 games the year before he started coaching at U of M as the article states. I believe they won 8 games in 2007, Carr's last year.
Are somewhat correct. After a disaster of a regular season that started with the app state and Oregon debacles, and finished with back to back losses to wiscy and Ohio, we beat Florida in a bowl game to finish 9-4 and no. 14 in the final polls
He has no class or character. He can't stop complaining, making excuses, and pointing his finger at everyone else.
So... I assume this means you're not a RichRodFan?
I'd mark him down as undecided.