Of course it would be nice to see Michigan loaded up on 4 and 5 stars, be in the top ten on rivals.com in recruiting, etc. But in Rich Rod's career at West Virginia he was in the rivals top 25 of recruiting only once. This was in 2007 and they only cracked the top 25 because of the signing of 5 star running back Noel Devine.
Rich Rodriguez and Recruiting
So the point of this post is "don't panic"?
I was just pointing out that Rich Rod was successful without a high ranked recruiting class. Which generally speaks of a coach's ability to develop players.
I don't want to be snarky, but I thought this was this was more or less accepted among non-trolls.
He's already substantially bettered his recruiting numbers in his 2.5 classes than he ever did at WVU, all with losing records. I think he's doing just fine. Also, I think that list in the Rivals link might not be accurate; it appears to missing a few players (i.e. only lists 24 commits).
I don't think we have more than 24 commits at the moment. Can you think of any confirmed commits that are missing from that list?
You're right. For some reason I was thinking that I saw one of the of the sites listing us at 27 commits, but upon a further look they are all at 24. My prior comment was just a recollection; sorry about that!
Gotta love getting negged for admitting you were wrong when you were wrong. Someone is a real douchebag.
to compensate for the random negs
Haha. Thanks. I really don't care about the points. I was more so commenting on the fact that some people obviously don't understand why the whole positive-negative thing was instituted and what the point of the voting is. It's really rather perplexing sometimes.
I'm not saying I disagree with you at all.....but this point has been made eleventy billion times on this blog already. No one here is questioning this.....well, at least most aren't.
of the rest of the recruiting classes in the Big East over that same time frame?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not concerned about RR or his recruiting but I do not really think that you can compare his situation at the two programs based on recruiting rankings.
You've been around this board for 17 months and you think this is the first time this point has been brought up?
I hear we're running a new type of offense these days. What happened to the Wing T?
Also you're missing the fact that WVU is no Michigan. Getting recruits to commit to WVU is a little tougher considering the lack of tradition, academics (even though there is debate as to the relevance) and conference status when compared to Michigan.
The fact that he can be successful w/o high level recruits is all well and good in the Big East but when you're trying to compete with the likes of Ohio State and trying to go to BCS bowl games every year the recruiting classes have to be up there.
The field in the Big East was much weaker. His top 25 recruiting class in 2007 was tops in the Big East. The Big Ten is far tougher than the Big East in terms of talent in the league.
That having been said, his first recruiting class was pretty good, even tough it was a stub year, and even with the attrition; last year was exceptional; and this year is shaping up to be solid.
How many starz did Pat White have?????????
I believe he was rated "Galaxy"
needs to be taken out back, tied up, hit several times with a shovel, chopped up into tiny bits and pieces, and scattered about the ends of the earth.
As long as it takes these types of threads with it, I'm more than OK with that!
Mafia guy back in the day.
In recruiting right now...I really like our class.
The prospects of adding Sean Parker (which is high) and Dillon Baxter (not as high, but possible) would put our class over the top and into the top ten, IMO.
I'm not gonna get hung up on stars. Our class is good, not amazing....but how many amazing classes did Carr have close to the end of his career and how many championships did he win?
...But how many titles and BCS games have Carroll and Meyer won with awesome classes?
The point about West Virginia's recruiting being higher rated since Rodriguez left seems to have been largely glossed over in these parts... then again on-field performance there has simultaneously gotten worse.
Rodriguez had built up the brand equity, making Stewart's job easier. Still, I was surprised to see them pull from California, Ohio.
Rich Rod does appear to go for his own guys. This has worked thus far for guys like Odoms and Roundtree, neither of whom were highly rated. Vincent Smith, as well.
I note further that that safety from Louisiana was a 5-A first team all-state, but when Michigan offered him a scholarship nobody else had offered him and he was a virtual unknown to the recruiting services.
And yes, although this topic has been covered before, debate on this point is always good, as further developments happen on the recruiting trail, post-season awards and games, etc. Plus, it's the off-season. What else are we going to talk about, Vampire Weekend and Jersey Shore?
Roundtree was a Rivals 4* and Odoms had several big time offers.
We win and four/five star guys show up. RichRod has been recruiting uphill and still doing (mostly) okay given the subpar last two years. I am sure he'd be happier taking 5 star defensive linemen rather than "coaching up" 3 star mafia candidates but the recruiting landscape after losing, even at Michigan, is a difficult one.
I personally wonder if the offensive portion of our class will always be slightly underrated. RR is going to recruit players for his spread offensive, whereas Rivals and Scout seem to favor players designed for a "pro style" set (the guys we got under Carr, the people Carroll took at USC, Tressel-ball players, etc).
but then Urban Meyer pulls great class after class at Florida (according to the rankings) and he doesn't run a pro-style offense.
One other point -- even now, Michigan has the #2 class in the Big 10. So while the SEC and Big-12 continue their overall recruiting
if you look at the average star per player UM isn't that much better then a lot of the other teams in the conference. UM just has more recruits right now.
The last time I checked, I think PSU was first. UM was rated ahead of OSU, but OSU's average star per player was way higher then what UM has.
Part of the reason we're at number two on that rivals list is because of the large class size. If you rank the teams by a recruit's average star, you get:
1) Penn State - 3.67
2) Ohio State - 3.38
3) Michigan - 3.17
4) Iowa - 3.11
5) Minnesota - 3.00
a row . . .
I look at that list and all I see is Tennessee #6 and waiting for the major recruiting violation charges in a year or two. Of course, we actually have a Fulmer Cup out there and Tennessee never seemed to be hit with sanctions, so maybe this is just par for the course.
As for UM, I really don't care where the class shakes out in national rankings. There are some good players coming in, and I have faith that RR will put them in a position to win. If this team goes 7-5, 8-4 + win a bowl game, I'm cautiously optimistic that the recruits will jump at UM. I also expect that with USC losing Carroll and whatever is happening at Florida with Meyer, the next few years might be a boon of sorts for schools like UM, ND, and other northern schools that recruit in Cal and Florida.
In case you didn't know, Mike Hart was a 3 star. (sarcasm)
Porn stars, Rock stars, Movie Stars, fuck a bunch of stars. I want players. People that will come up and smack someone in the mouth. I don't care about stars. Didn't everyone ask what the hell was going on when recruited a no star out of Louisiana? Then the kid got stars? The system is suspect. If Rich Rod recruits players that show the fire he does on the sidelines we will be fine.
People are complaining now? Our rankings will be worse next year because we'll only take about 14 guys.
NSFMF. With the accelerated rate of attrition at most schools ushered in by the "information age," I would be willing to wager that there is room for at least twenty next season.
It has less to do with some "information age" and more to do with the normal things. You know, like smoking the reefer and not going to class. That and/or deciding not to play football at Michigan.
I will be dumbfounded if we only take 14 guys in 2011. Fourteen is an extremely low number for any school in any given year.
Yes I agree I would rather have a highly touted recruiting class. I would love to see Baxter and a bunch of other 5 star recruits come North. I guess I just want people with heart. And for next year I am hoping we get to be picky about who we take because of solid foundation building from last year and this year. Hoping. Wishing. Dreaming. Please
We will stay healthy next year and Richrod's ninjas will kick their way to the Rose Bowl. You heard it here first.