Rich Rodriguez’s Recruiting = Michigan Win vs. Bama?

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
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Rich Rodriguez’s Recruiting = Michigan Win vs. Bama?

 

This morning my co-workers (a couple of which are fans of SEC schools) and I chatted about Michigan’s odds of beating Bama, and they insisted if we win it’s because of Rich Rodriguez’s recruiting of athletes (i.e. Denard, Fitz, Gallon, Roundtree, Roh, etc.) that can keep up with the speed of SEC teams. I then responded that there’s no way we would be able to keep Bama within striking distance with Rich Rod’s defenses, and they then pointed out how Rich Rod beat SEC teams at West Virginia on several occasions and beat Oklahoma in a BCS game.

The Board’s thoughts on this? I was pretty dismissive until thinking about it. All of our offensive starters were RRod recruits, and 9 to 10 of our defensive starters were RRod recruits.

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:14 PM | This is (Score:5 Normal)
Hank Hill
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EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TOPIC!!!!!

"Yep"

August 30th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | (No subject) (Score:3 Normal)
artds
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Every time an MGoBoard poster complains about a thread topic, God kills a baby panda.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:15 PM | In before Section 1 starts his trolling. (Score:5 Normal)
justingoblue
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RR brought us some very good players who are now upperclassmen. Hoke and Co. now coach them to make them better players. Not a whole lot else to say about it.

Go Blue!

August 30th, 2012 at 3:26 PM | C'mon... "Trolling?" (Score:3 Normal)
Section 1
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Rich Rodriguez + Anything = 100+ MGoPosts. 

And usually 200+.  Everytime.  No matter what I say or do.  And without fail, the flame that lights the fuse is not a Rodriguez defender, but rather a Rodriguez-hating fanboy who is so chapped that Michigan never beat Ohio State while they were students or some such thing.  (Tell it to the kids who were undergrads from 2004-2007 when the team was coached by Carr and lost to the Ohio State University Buckeyes four years in a row.)

The massive irony is that when Rich Rodrigez was coaching Michigan and was under attack in the media, and people like Brian Cook were defending Rodriguez, the very first argument made against people like Brian (and I suppose, me) is that we were just fanboys, trying to protect and cover for our beloved football team.  We couldn't see the truth because we were blinded by Michigan fandom. 

So how's that workin' out now?  Is my Michigan fandom blinding me?

 

 

August 30th, 2012 at 3:33 PM | Is my Michigan fandom (Score:3 Normal)
david from wyoming
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Is my Michigan fandom blinding me?

No, your stupidity blinding you.

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August 30th, 2012 at 3:39 PM | Well I guess that's the end of "So far, so good." (Score:-1 Normal)
August 30th, 2012 at 3:41 PM | Trolling, absolutely. (Score:5 Normal)
justingoblue
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Otherwise, do you care to explain these as anything besides trolling? I'd be interested to hear an explanation, since I can't think of a single non-troll use of "Walverines" (twice in the same post) or quotes regarding gay marriage and the political climate of a city in a posters name.

http://mgoblog.com/comment/reply/71033/1679290

Which all goes to the point that for at least some Walverines, their memories are just as short, their collective understand just as badly warped, and their fanatacism [sic] just as bad, as any other team.

http://mgoblog.com/comment/reply/71033/1679600

"Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel said Chick-fil-A has no place in his city. (And Emanuel has no place at the family-friendly Chick-fil-A—not with his potty mouth.) Emanuel intoned that “Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values.” This was a breaking-news twofer, as most people weren’t aware that the graft-laden youth-homicide capital of the United States had any values." ~ Matt Labash in the Weekly Standard; August, 201

You got lucky a mod didn't see it at first, or I assume you would have lost your points like all the rest of the people saying "Walverines" or posting some crap that's supposed to be "not-quite-political-enough-for-a-banhammer, but still pretty damn political". You're no better than the idiots saying "Dick Rod went 0-6 against our main two rivals" or anything like that.

Go Blue!

August 30th, 2012 at 5:16 PM | No offense justingoblue (Score:3 Normal)
inthebluelot
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But you've given alot of people a lot of shit in the couple of years I've been on this board.  Why do you feel like the only valid opinion is yours?  Trolling is also when you type what you did about posting before Section 1 has a chance to troll.  Then you constantly search out and dig up posts that are completely taken out of context to make some type of point, as you did here.  Section 1 is obviously a Michigan fan, and I assume because you are as well, you could find some common ground, or just ignore him.  But I guess you wouldn't have 8,000 points if you did that.  RELAX!  Maybe start a food blog for your aunt's cooking or something that isn't as intense for you as blogging about college football.

 

 

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August 30th, 2012 at 6:12 PM | I have a ton of respect for other opinions. (Score:3 Normal)
justingoblue
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And I have nothing but respect for something like 99% of the people here and their opinions. As far as labeling things "trolling", I definitely do say what I see. The only other instance I can think of akin to this one was with a poster who's history was pretty bad; the mods docked points and eventually banned them. I also gave a hard time to a guy talking straight politics (who is on his third banned name) and once made a post or two that I regret regarding a longtime poster and some difference in views. The last poster and I have had some good natured interaction since and I feel like it's behind us.

If you think I'm overly negative on some posters, fine. That's absolutely your right and I respectfully disagree that it's indicative of my general attitude here. I do think Section 1 has crossed a few lines into trolling recently, and I'dlike to hear his reply, especially given his attitude towards users in the past doing the same things he is now. More than anything, I love coming here and talking sports and all manner of OT with the best internet community out there. Cheers.

Go Blue!

August 30th, 2012 at 10:06 PM | Considering you're telling people to slit their wrists (Score:3 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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And making up shit to flame like "game that cost Lloyd his job", maybe you ought to clean up your own house before you go all Internet cop.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

August 30th, 2012 at 4:28 PM | Baiting/Trolling (Score:5 Normal)
ST3
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Baiting a troll is nearly as bad as trolling.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:17 PM | RR... (Score:0 Normal)
August 30th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Are you kidding me (Score:5 Normal)
evenyoubrutus
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Are you kidding me

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

August 30th, 2012 at 2:23 PM | While an not really a necessary comment (Score:2 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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He's technically right, if not completely fair in the bigger picture.

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August 30th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | You mean (Score:5 Normal)
Caesar
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RR you kidding me? 

 

RIGHT? NOT BAD? 

August 30th, 2012 at 1:18 PM | Who is (Score:3 Normal)
pkatz
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this Rich Rodriguez you speak of?  I choose not to recall who that is, or what affect he had on our program... like no OL or DL depth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 30th, 2012 at 1:18 PM | if speed was the only thing (Score:5 Normal)
BornInAA
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if speed was the only thing required to win, the Jamaican track team should form a new NFL squad.

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August 30th, 2012 at 2:55 PM | It worked in Cool Runnings! (Score:5 Normal)
74polSKA
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It worked in Cool Runnings!

August 30th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | Who knows... (Score:5 Normal)
Two Hearted Ale
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1. Michigan hasn't beaten Alabama.

2. You would have to see the game to make any argument one way or another.

3. ???

4. Profit.

August 30th, 2012 at 2:10 PM | "2. You would have to see the game..." (Score:2)
Kermits Blue Key
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Why would you have to see the game first to suggest that RR's recruiting of speed would be beneficial against Alabama?  These boards are built on theorizing and conjecture.

September 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 AM | Quite right. (Score:2)
Yeoman
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In fact, you would have to have NOT seen the game first to suggest this.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | Not worried about Bama's (Score:5 Normal)
antidaily
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Not worried about Bama's speed. More their size.

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:30 PM | This.  The SEC's dominance (Score:5 Normal)
LandonC
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This.  The SEC's dominance over the last few years, and unfortunately that is an accurate statement, has been feuled not by ESSSSS-EEEEEE-CEEEE SPEEEEEEEEED, but rather a bunch of big, bad ass dudes on both lines.  You'd think fan bases as "knowledgeable" as those in the South would understand this...

August 30th, 2012 at 5:16 PM | Size and speed (Score:2 Normal)
cm2010
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I think it's a mixture of size and speed. When you're a 5'11" 220 lbs. linebacker who runs a 4.5, it's not a big deal. When you're a 6'4" 250 lbs. linebacker who runs a 4.6, it's scary. 

August 30th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | RRod (Score:-1 Trolling)
August 30th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | I would say (Score:5 Normal)
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 you aren't much of a head coach if the loss of one assistant causes a meltdown of Chernobyl like proportions on one side of the ball.  Head coaches are in charge of entire teams, not just offenses. This includes special teams. Thats the part where they kick the ball through the uprights.

ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules

 

August 30th, 2012 at 1:26 PM | ...and if we lose, who gets (Score:3 Funny)
NoMoPincherBug
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...and if we lose, who gets credit for that?? 

I think you need to get yourself some new co-workers.

August 30th, 2012 at 6:16 PM | I think (Score:3 Normal)
Yeoman
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many people have the co-workers they deserve.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:27 PM | I could see how it might work (Score:-1 Trolling)
August 30th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | lulz. I was thinking about the ones who got away... (Score:3 Normal)
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August 30th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | If we beat Alabama, it WON'T (Score:3 Normal)
True Blue Grit
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be because of RR's recruiting.  That's for sure.  It will because of the motivation level of the current players and the coaching job of the current staff.  If you doubt this, ask yourself what you think the outcome of the game would be if RR and his staff were still coaching here.  ANS:  Blowout City.   

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August 30th, 2012 at 2:03 PM | I'm still waiting for the (Score:0 Normal)
August 30th, 2012 at 2:55 PM | I'm getting a headache, (Score:2 Normal)
inthebluelot
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people who like RRod will say that he deserves some credit for recruiting, people who dislike him will give him no credit. The truth is, credit goes to the kid on the field and the coaches that put them there and got them ready. I'm sorry to burst the bubbles of any RRod haters, but you can't completely dismiss his ability to find elite playmakers where others miffed. And if Denard wins the Heisman, you will never be able to separate RRods name from that achievement. As Denard stated himself, he is blessed that Coach Rod gave him a shot at QB when no one else would. Now go slit your wrists or something cuz these threads are getting annoying. The dude is at Arizona, let it be.

August 30th, 2012 at 8:17 PM | I was with you until "go slit (Score:5 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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I was with you until "go slit your wrists."  Let's keep it civil.

 

August 30th, 2012 at 10:34 PM | Agreed. (Score:2 Normal)
BoTheBlue
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We got beat up by a perennial bottom-feeder in the SEC in Miss St under RR. This coaching staff is without a doubt the biggest difference. There shouldn't even be a debate about that.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:29 PM | This thread... (Score:5 Normal)
1989 UM GRAD
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...has no chance of ending well.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | Depends on your definition of (Score:2 Normal)
david from wyoming
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Depends on your definition of 'well'.

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August 30th, 2012 at 3:48 PM | Oy. (Score:1)
Trey Mendes
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This meme will never end.  This thread will be replaced by another very similar to it, and the beating of the dead horse will continue.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:29 PM | Pretty sure Michigan had (Score:5 Normal)
GoBlueInNYC
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Pretty sure Michigan had beated SEC teams before RR was hired. And I'm pretty sure RR was the coach when Michigan got stomped by a mediocre SEC team a couple years ago.

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:41 PM | Not sure how this is (Score:0 Normal)
August 30th, 2012 at 3:32 PM | Yeah? (Score:3 Normal)
TIMMMAAY
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We also had a very, very young team then. And no defense (the one major area I do assign blame on RR). Not so much anymore...

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | RR didn't have.... (Score:2 Normal)
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our favorite DC of all time, Greggggggg Robinson when he was at WVU.

August 30th, 2012 at 1:48 PM | here let me help you (Score:3 Normal)
Benoit Balls
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RR didn't have our favorite DC of all time,Greg gggggg Robinson Mattison when he was at WVU  

ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules

 

August 30th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | RR's recruiting was excellent (Score:5 Normal)
Hannibal.
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RR's recruiting was excellent for the first 12 months.  If a miracle strikes and we win the game Saturday, then yes, he deserves some credit for recruiting Denard, Roundtree, Omameh, Lewan, Schofield, Fitz, Big Wil, Roh, Gordon, and so on. 

HIs problem with recruiting was that, after that first 12 months, it all completely tanked.  2013 and maybe 2014 are when you will fully see the effects of this.

August 30th, 2012 at 2:03 PM | You think... (Score:1 Normal)
cps2010
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...the Free Press witch hunt and NCAA allegations might have been brought up by opposing coaches during recruiting?  Nah, coaches would never do that.  They have (had?) a gentlemen's agreement.  

August 30th, 2012 at 2:04 PM | Disperse... (Score:0 Redundant)
August 30th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | So far, so good . . . (Score:1 Normal)
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Big brother is watching . . .

 

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | What better way to make your (Score:5 Normal)
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What better way to make your return to the Mod job than to watch a Rich Rodriguez thread? Sounds like super-duper fun!

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August 30th, 2012 at 2:19 PM | No better way to say "welcome (Score:1 Normal)
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No better way to say "welcome back" than a thread like this!  I just hope I'm not too rusty.

 

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August 30th, 2012 at 1:36 PM | I think we are inhaling the (Score:2)
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I think we are inhaling the ashes of that dead horse...

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