Rich talks draft, college football, more-
Sure to end in a flamewar/meltdown, but of interest to this site.
Rich talks draft, college football, more-
Sure to end in a flamewar/meltdown, but of interest to this site.
Some of the comments on that article are ignorant.
Sometimes I hate the internet.
Don't blame the internet. Hate humanity.
Negged on principle. Let's see you getting out of Bolivian now fwahahahaa
At least I don't have to answer captchas when I post!
Consider yourself lucky
I just got my Bolivian Visa reissued! I hope you still have a few cases of beer down there.
Holy heck, what happened to you man? Lucky you have your stuff in that big red sack with the ? on it already!
I took the jokes in the "Hey Brandon Marshall, Heard You Got Stabbed," post a notch or two too far.
Last time I checked you had 2 points, and now you have 1...those must have been some heavy jokes!
Wowwwwww. When'd he get that deep in the negatives? Last I saw his post count (granted a while ago) he was at like 6k in the green. What happened?
But I figured that was like saying "don't look at the car accident" or "turn your head when the football player's knee gets injured". That you couldn't help but look.
You just gave me an unpleasant flashback to sitting in the stands and watching Justin Fargas get his leg snapped against Wisconsin. From my vantage point in the stands,I didn't think anyone could ever recover that injury. By far worst injury I have seen in person.
I do love the "how could a guy ever leave his alma mater" comments. Because Michigan never hires coaches who used to coach at their alma mater. That totally didn't just happen. And, you know, Bo. Priceless.
that it might be a mistake to assume that just because one has gone thru the program, and one being, arguably, the greatest fb player ever at UM, this translates into a likely portend of things to come.
Bennie did everything one could do on the football field, but after Crisler's players had graduated and moved on, his mediocrity as h.c. became apparent. Elliot, on the other hand, is as close to being a RR hire that I can think of with the obvious difference being colleges attended.
When one glosses over Bump's record, it's easy to conclude mediocrity at best. However, when considereation is given to those things that only history can provide as tangible parts comprising the entire machine, we get a completely different look.
Bump, much like RR, was charged with the task of rebuilding a glorious program, and also like RR, had to do so without the first-class material that UM's fan's favorites had to work with. He actually was successful at this, but only because he was given the time to do wo due to his UM affilliation.
When Bo took over he inherited the largest number of future AAs ever assembled in a 5 yr span in Michigan history. The fact that he was able to motivate these young men to become just that was his greatest trait as a football coach. Under Bo, UM simply was never embarrassed on the field, even against the great OU team with the Selmon bros., and all the other talent that Switzer was able to "influence" a decision to move to Norman.
And I do look forward to Brady because he has proven with talent - and he has it now - that he will win. He inherits the fastest Michigan team ever assembled. He doens't have to rebuild both sides of the los - big part of Carr's legacy- as did RR, and because those that matter have welcomed him with open arms, the success he enjoyed during his last years in the MAC and the WAC should be duplicated here. He's a proven tireless worker on the recruiting trail and he can motivate. He should be here a long time. The pieces are set up well for him, although still quite young on the defensive side of the ball.
RR will be discussed here for a long time, and it will remain an exercise in futility, along with being entirely needless. Brady is our coach now, and I hope that all fans, even when things are tough, will fight through their need for instant gratification and let the man do what he was hired to do. However, the need to give him their full support throughout his tenure as head man in AA cannot be minimized. He's far more important to UM's on-field success than any recruit or staff hire he brings to AA in the near future.
SDSU is in the MWC...
Because it discredits everything written in the post above it.
I think you drastically missed the point of my comment (or you just enjoy typing). Some dumbass in the article comments ranted about how Rich Rodriguez was an idiot/asshole for leaving his alma mater. Apparently they are unaware of the fact that the guy we just hired was coaching his alma mater (Ball State) and left (to coach at SDSU, of all places). Or that Bo Schembechler left his alma mater (Miami U.) to come to Michigan. I was pointing that out. That is all. Just calling them out for saying dumb stuff.
Nothing in your rant has anything to do with what I said (though I do agree with most of what you say).
Any post with "What the fuck?" as the subject line is an automatic +1.
Unfortunately my +1 means nothing.
He needs to learn how to pick good defensive coordinators.
He needs to let his D-coordinator coach the defense they're accustomed to coaching.
He needs defensive coordinators that can pick their own assistants and say no to Rich. Or pick defensive coordinators that can run the 3-3-5 well.
RR: I haven't thought about it much until recently. Seems like college coaches are going to the NFL, and NFL coaches are coming back to college, so those lines have been blurred a little bit as far as working. It's still working with young men and helping them achieve their goals and being around football. I had never really thought about it much until recently, and now I've always been about "What are we going to do to win a national championship." But these last couple months have given me time to evaluate and it may be kind of fun with the right organization and the right people it probably would be pretty enjoyable to coach. But I really haven't researched it much or looked into it too much but I may have some time to do that now.
I could actually see RR being a successful NFL OC. Obviously he'd have to make some adjustments to his scheme, but I think he might enjoy that job also.
Coach Rod is an offensive guru, but his knowledge base consists of a power running game out of the gun featuring athletic quarterbacks. His passing concepts, while more advanced than most people will give him credit for, don't really translate to pro-style offenses. I'm not going to say its impossible, but I think his expertise is better suited for the college game.
Just to add, I think he would have to restrict himself more than he would like in the pro game. I get the impression that he likes innovating, and while he could do that in the NFL, he wouldn't be able to use every single concept he came up with/modified/borrowed. In the NCAA the only thing he needs to restrict himself to is his talent, and he has control over that too (in most cases).
the spread option he relies on (not quite but almost exclusively) is premised on deception and reads to run away from. The O-lines were transformed to move away from a power game during his time here. One more thing, his offense is based in large part on no huddle, quick offense, that works best against teams that are not well conditioned. In the League, that would not be a large advantage since the players train all year, basically.
I see him being the HC at Clemson next year...no NFL.
Only interested in Coach Hoke & his staff bringing in good solid kids with great character for the UM program. Not with what Cbs or RR have to say at this point.
are doomed to repeat it. And in doing so, you become Notre Dame.
If we never ever ever ever had to ever hire a new coach again ever (ever), there would be no reason to reflect on the RR days. But I don't think we can assume that Brady Hoke will (a) succeed immediately, (2) succeed forever, and (d) never die, quit, or retire.
Moving on from a failed experiment doesn't mean you don't look back and say, "gee, I wonder why shit blew up like that, and how we can keep shit from blowing up in the future."
The only thing that "failed" in that particular "experiment" was David Brandon. It was his job to do what his mentor Bo would have done, which would have been to tell the assholes who were sabotaging the program to get in or get out. He failed. Then, it was his job to do what his mentor Bo would have done and give RR the five years he deserved. He failed again.
David Brandon did what he does best: turn a great situation into a cesspool, blame others for it, and come out smelling like a rose. Those traits will serve him well when he quits to pursue his real ambition: politics.
is the one who went 15-22. Neat trick, especially since he wasn't the AD in 2008 & 2009.
Surprised Brandon didn't get blamed for the defense (or lack thereof), as well.
It's impossible to know if RR would have succeeded if he was given five years. Dave Brandon did fail to reconcile a fanbase and the alumni that were too divided under Rodriguez to possibly be reconciled. He did fail to do a good job with the firing/hiring process, and that's where my issue with him lies, but his actions haven't directly contributed to losses (yet).
Die, quit or retire? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!
The internet is like the world's largest local sports bar, full of toothless alcoholic loudmouths spewing fact-free opinions over their PBR, even if the bar is empty.
I'm sober when I make my dumb remarks.
I used to drink PBR. It was 4.99 per case
/It appears that the CBS Message Board has warped my fragile little mind.
...Rodriguez will follow.
And a Super Bowl shall come to pass.
The prophet has spoken!
wow deja vu
But I thought Rodriguez sounded fine. I hope he finds a good head-coaching job next year and does well.
I see Clemson dumping Dabo Sweeney after next year and picking up RR. He was their OC before going to WVU (IIRC), and the ACC would be a great place for him to dominate.
I think he would be able to recruit lots of players to Clemson being close to his favorite state of Florida.
He see's bcs before we do.
He probably will go to a crappy conference like the Big East, where every team is slower and smaller than every other major conference. There, his rigid flag football playbook that every respectable defense in the country has figured out, might work. That won't mean he did not put an embarrassing product on the field for 3 years and nearly drive this program off of a cliff. Your bitterness towards his departure is being countered by an alumni base that can't be happier. Find me one alumni out there who really thought RR should have stayed, and I will find you 300 that are absolutely thrilled that he's gone. Personally, I'll defer to their opinions over those of a bitter blogger who can't accept the fact that RR was the single biggest fail in the history of this 132 year program.
argument may be valid. But, it is entirely ruined by the naivety of your opening statements:
"He probably will go to a crappy conference like the Big East, where every team is slower and smaller than every other major conference. Here, his rigid flag football playbook"
The argument that his "rigid flag football playbook" doesn't work in the Big Ten continues to be the most idiotic, head in the sand argument I've heard outside of politics and religion in a very long time. It is also amazing that so many are still convinced of the "great" athletic chasm that exists between the talent level in the conferences.
Can you provide statistics that show that the Big East is "slower and smaller" than the Big Ten please?
Bowl Record of the slower and smaller Big East since 2005:
vs BCS teams: 12-10
BCS Games: 3-3
vs non-BCS 9-0 (.1000)
vs SEC 3-1 (.750)
vs Big 12 3-1 (.750)
vs ACC 6-5 (.545)
vs Pac-10 0-3 (.000)
vs Big 10 0-0
It's actually pretty impressive and don't they play most of their games as away games in SEC/PAC-12/Big 12 territory, just like us? I'm not going to make a conclusion. The facts are the facts.
Did you see UConn this year? RichRod would have made a BCS bowl in 2010 if Michigan was in the Big East. Unfortunately / Fortunately, this is not the case. Meanwhile, our competitive peers in our actual conference were Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue.
Did you see Cincinatti last year? If you can't simply watch a game and see how much slower and vastly less athletic the top Big East teams are relative to the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 10, then I don't know what to say.
I'm not saying it's the case for the entire conference, but the argument here is over getting to a BCS game. I don't really care about your stats when the #4 Big East team is lining up against the # 5 team in another conference. In the Big East, he needs to go through UConn and Cincinatti. In the Big 10, he needs to go through Wisconsin and OSU, and in the SEC he needs to go through more stud teams than I feel like listing right now. Please tell me you can at least acknowledge that if these teams squared off, the Big East schools would get completely blown off the field. We were superior to the top team in the Big East and every one of these other schools either did or would have completely destroyed us.
Moreover, 2005 was back in a time when that rigid flag football playbook was still a fresh new look. Unfortunately, Chip Kelly has taken it to another level, while RR is still living back in 2005.
had better freaking hope that Brady Hoke wins 8 or 9 or more games this year. And 2012 looks to be a challenging schedule. One of several interesting dates on that 2012 schedule will be Alabama, with Sophomore Dee Hart.
Ummmm the alums are basically what matter in the program. They know more about football than us, they know more about college football than us, and they know more about playing college football at Michigan than us. I don't think it's trash talking for an alum to be pissed that his nationally respected Big 10 winning program was shot to hell by a new coach who followed up 4 top 12 Carr recruiting classes with 3 of the worst seasons in the history of the program.
Because right now, Brady Hoke has zero losses.
And zero wins.
And there will be 12 games in which to change those numbers.
You can spout shit like "shot to hell," all you want. But just know that with assholes like you out there, I really don't care what sort of "divisions" or "clans" might haunt our program. I have nothing in common with any portion of the Michigan fan-base that wants to scapegoat Coach Rodriguez.
I'm not ready to root for Brady Hoke to fail. But I'll have no pity for shitheads like you if he does.
"Rodriguez: Leaving WVU 'a mistake.'"
the comments, too. The comments at sportsline are always are rung below mlive and rivals, though, so I just decided not to get worked up. Haters are definitely going to do their little weak thing. . .
Most notable thing (for me) about the interview was RR acknowledging that maybe he shouldn't have left WVU. The guy's fault has never been a lack of candor.
Very nice, but illegal in all 50 states.