I didn't see this posted, but Rich Rod made his cinematic return in Hard Edge II as he is creating his own Dollars trilogy.
I saw it a couple months ago.
The sequel is only a week or two old.
Guess I should have watched this one first. My bad.
I think it's pretty creative, and about as non-cringey/awkward as you could hope a video like that to be. Gotta say though, "The Team, The Team, The Team" looks a lot better than that abomination ever did.
to have that chapter behind us.
RR is probably a nice enough guy (though his sideline demeanor was embarrassing) that I can wish him success in the future. He took a ton of unwarranted BS when he was here, but I agree--I'm glad that chapter of M football is closed.
I think it is about the closest one every can agree on.
RR is probably a nice enough guy (though his sideline demeanor was embarrassing)
I just have a better, longer, clearer personal memory of Micihgan football than most of the MGoBlogerati.
Watching Michigan, with blinders on.
If somebody really seriously wanted to fight with me, they could have said that the Schembechler/Carr/Moeller sideline freakouts were almost always in the service of working the refs. Carr in particular was very effective, in being a screaming prick along the sidelines to work the refs. As a partisan, I liked that. Good on Carr.
But there were other leaders in the collegiate football coaching profession who were a lot more gentlemanly than any of our guys.
Rich Rodriguez was a remarkably gentle presence on the sideline. He rarely talked to the defense, much less scream at them. He was particularly solicitous of his young QB's, Forcier and Robinson. Rodriguez did less to work the refs with unruly behavior than most Big Ten coaches.
He probably should have talked and yelled at the defense more often. Just sayin.
... immediately after the '08 Utah game -- Rodriguez's first game in Micihgan Stadium -- that I could not believe how little involvment he had with the defense. It wasn't cirticism necessarily, at that time. I just found it amazing that he didn't talk to the defensive staff, or the players. Not during breaks, not coming off the field (well, maybe a little). It was like two different teams.
That is just his system. I've seen it in the few Arizona games I could watch last year. But television doesn't ever do it justice. It is very unusual; very interesting.
I think a lot of peopel found him embarrassing due to the tears, pouting, post game blaming, and banquet music selection.....I'm pretty sure if the team was playing reasonably against decent B1G teams and he was slamming headsets in anger, people wouldn't have considered him "embarrassing." On a side note, if you can't tell by interviews or direct player interaction that they mostly hated his guts, you're blind.
There's a huge difference between being a screming prick on the sidelines and a whiny bitch. Bo, Moe, and Carr were the former..RR was the latter and it was embarassing.
from the reply I posted exactly 35 minutes previous to yours. Right?
I read your reply and I decided to post the exact same thing ..uh huh
I still don't see this reply youre talking about. Either way point still stands
I’ve been kicked, pushed, knocked down, publicly berated, belittled, emasculated and more."
Humiliating Forcier in front of the nation was just one of the testaments to RR's inability to lead.
Tate's a great source. It's not like he was raised in a weird environment that produced a herd of narcissists or anything.
I'm not saying people knocking RR in this regard are wrong. I'm just saying that taking anything Tate Forcier says at face value is ridiculous. We probably all know enough about him that anybody posting something like that from him is just being flat out disingenuous, even.
There was only one person responsible for the humiliation of Tate Forcier, anyway, and it wasn't Rich Rodriguez.
I think he should have lost the starting job after the towel on the head incident. I also think it should have happened in the coach's office, not on the front page of every media outlet in the country.
The point however, was made in response to a claim that RR was solicitous toward his QB's.
For a fan to attempt to dismiss the thoughts of a former player actually makes me laugh. Everyone's opinion matters except for the person involved. Okay, I'll be disingenuous for a bit.
His perceptions still count, good, bad, or otherwise. RR recruited him knowing that he was raised in that world. The resolution to his problems could have been made in the coach's office - "do this or I start Denard". How do you expect to publicly humiliate your QB, and then have him return to lead the team. That was RR wanting everyone else to do his job for him, a total failure of leadership.
I'm not "attempting" to dismiss the thoughts of a former player. I am dismissing them.
I don't know what you're talking about in regard to this being handled in the coach's office. I think you're forgetting how some things went. Tate was the third string QB going into the game and then sulked on the sidelines with a towel on his head because of it. That was all Tate's doing. Tate didn't sulk on the sidelines and then publicly lose the starting job. It was never his to begin with. The media circus surrounding the incident was entirely Tate's fault. The words, "All you need to know is I'm out," didn't come out of RRs mouth after that game.
And if you're going to quote one tiny portion of his statement while implying that it was directed specifically toward RR when Tate never stated that to be the case, yeah, you're being disingenuous.
At least you didn't supply the full quote.
"I’ve been kicked, pushed, knocked down, publicly berated, belittled, emasculated and more. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to give up or feel the victim. The humility of it all is indescribable and that is exactly my point. I had to reach rock bottom in order to see the light, and for that, I am thankful. It was not until then, I realized that it was my lack of accountability and maturity and not to pass blame."
WWhat an asshole you
What an asshole you are, LB, for that selective cutting. Not that it is such a great quote to begin with. Who knows who the Managing Editor of "QB Force" may have been.
they won something RR didn't do, he sucks, good offensive mind but he's a snake, a terrible fit for U of M and I could care less if he has any success because he hurt Michigan football for 3 long years
When I didn't start this thread, and didn't start weiging in on any strengths or weaknesses of Rodriguez as a coach. All that I needed to do, to set off the MGoFanBoyze, was post a few pictures of Schembechler and Carr that put the lie to the unsupportable notion that Rodriguez's sideline demeanor was deficient for Michigan standards.
Bo had tantrums on the sideline. busted headsets etc. Ask any of his players how he was in practice.
Bo, who the entire Michigan fanbase admires and is the measuring stick for Michigan Manliness.
I'll agree that Rich had leadership and defensive management issues. I didnt like players under the bus or his Groban moment. But his sideline demeanor WASN'T outside of the norm.
The beauty of it is, we are past this, and we have a Howard Cunningham of a coach with a staff of teachers.
True, but I think it's fair to say that there are more binary thinkers on the hater side.
Most of RichRod's supporters here (thinking of Purple Stuff and Section 1) would probably concede that the guy has imperfections as a coach. I believe that to be the case, anyway. Section 1 can correct me if I'm wrong. :)
On the other side? There are plenty of eloquent detractors, but there are also many who, to take the '08 season as an example, can see only 3-9 and no bowl. Nothing else. Not Michael Rosenberg, Lloyd's boys (Braylon, Dhani, and especially Eric Mayes), the least talented team in the modern era, etc. All they know is that RichRod lost a lot of games, so it must be all his fault. Simpler, right? "CreedenceTapes" here seems like a fine example. Dude!
Even under ideal circumstances I don't think he ever would have reached great (11/12-win seasons) heights at Michigan, but it would've helped to not have to work against part of the fans from the beginning.
I suspect there's not a single person here on either side of the question that doesn't recognize that Rodriguez has strengths as a football coach and would make a terrific offensive coordinator. So I think the "binary thinker" notion is a straw man.
I've never made any grand pronouncement as to what sort of football coach Rich Rodriguez is. I'm in absolutely no position to judge. You can't find a single example of me on MGoBlog trying to explain why any Michigan coach is good, bad or indifferent. As a coach. It is the coaches' profession; they devote their lives to it. I'm not even close to being their peer.
Unless we have some sort of Bama level success over the next few years, this topic will never die. 40 years from now, when Hoke's gone, and his successor is gone, idiots will still be trying to argue it
This barrage of posts above is why any Rich Rod post should be deleted. He isn't here anymore and none of this is necessary.
It may not be necessary, but it's the most entertaining thing going on the board right now.
I actually think it's really important to discuss Rodriguez and his time here. You know, the whole "don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past" thing. Both in who we hire and how we treat our coaches.
I just wish we could do it civilly.
Man, I try to stick up for your boy and you dog me like that? Cold...
Section 1's irrational continued defense of RichRod is bizarre and this discussion of coach demeanor on the sidelines is strange (basically, they all yell a lot, at the refs and in "teaching" the players when watching from my section).
The bit about "you and Rod had something" is offensive and RCMB/MLive at it's core.
Good job finding three pictures to prove an opinion.
Anyway, I had trouble with other more empirical measurements for Rich Rodriguez somehow being a disgrace on the sidelines. Maybe you can help out with that.
I love a good one
We're not, and I am really happy we don't see that sign in the tunnel.
Angelique touched on it yesterday. That tunnel is more than just the way into the stadium. It is generally not a good idea to screw with things you don't understand.
Arizona fans love these videos.
It's all about context.
I may be too old to see it happen, but I can't wait for the day to come soon enough when RichRod is OT.
I've seen worse (Freekbass and whatever that Ice Capades-esque thing was from Notre Dame, to name just a couple). Context is important here. Tuscon != Ann Arbor and, more important, UArizona != UMichigan. I'd like to know what the Wildcat fans think of the video.
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Comparing Hoke to RichRod, I don't think the former is a highbrow type, but he has the situational awareness (I guess) that allows him to understand what will/won't work with that crowd.
What would they have dressed as? Hipsters cruising the farmer's market? Bro's "scouting" flag football games at the fraternities? Or Freep writers digging through the coaches' trash cans looking for stories?
It's better than the first one, which isn't high praise, but, as go16blue pointed out, at least it's not so bad it's cringe worthy.
Just think, if he had stayed at Michigan longer, he might have done one of these for Michigan with factory workers or lumberjacks or something.
I'll just put it this way: I'm glad our head coach doesn't ever evoke the emotion of embarrassment in me.
Who is Rich Rodriguez??
The brother to Rich Rodriquez, our supposed former coach.
If they're brothers why do they have the same first name but different last names?
Big Money Rustlas!
That video didn't seem very historically accurate, just sayin...
To be fair, if historical accuracy were a requirement for Westerns, about 95% of them, even big budget movies, would never make the grade.
That....was not what I expected. Must have missed the first one...
Behind the Scenes of Hard Edge 2:
I never have taken the time to learn how to embed here. Sorry.
Next you'll be telling me that coaches read beloved childrens' stories at press conferences!!
Here's a picture of some dude smiling.
We need a good dead horse beating thread every once in awhile just so everybody can get the RR out of their system.
I agree. If MGoBlog had an Outlook calendar, I'd make this a recurring appointment (3rd Monday of every month).
to complete the trilogy?
Calvin just pawn in offense of life.
but without them a big +1 to you sir
If the gang hunts down the Brittle Brothers in a subsequent installment, I'll be watching.
There's nothing that can be said on this blog about RichRod that hasn't already been said, but I wish him the best at Arizona. I think he got a bad break here in a lot of respects, but in the end, he dug his own grave by not being able to field a defense. As they say, winning cures all ails. Otherwise no one would ever hire Nick Saban for anything.
I'm extremely happy to have Hoke as our head man, and am even more happy that this particular era of Michigan football is in the rearview mirror.
Sheridan......kept the ball......sacked for a loss of 2, it's third and 14.
Until RR takes defense much more seriously. Though in the PAC, having a good defense may not matter as much.
I know the '08 team did not have the talent of your typical Michigan team but the roster had more talent at the time then half the B1G teams. There was one good pro style QB but RR went all spread without having any spread QB. The '08 defense had the third best talent level in the conference. When you lose to a MAC team at home then you did not have your team ready to play! 6-6 was quite doable in '08.
Had 2 top 10 defense in the country for 2 straight years.
RR wouldn't adjust his system to the talent. Hoke kept much of the spread and the D used a lot of deception because that's the talent he had.
The talent levels were comparable, but Hoke adapted. They might be equal preparers or game coaches with their type of talent (Hoke is 10x the recruiter) but Hoke knows how to coach all types of talent.
BCS coaching is about winning immediately. Your performance is your results.
THIS IS TOO RATIONAL FOR THE INTERNET.
Robinson / Gardner > Sheridan / Threet. I would submit to you that talent levels were NOT comparable when Rodriguez lead Michigan through it's first season.
Well this thread got really predictable.
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You should have split this into five 1000-word paragraphs for the authentic Section 1 RR-thread experience.
And this is why we need the voting system back ASAP.
of a coach who was both sabotaged and flawed from a Mcihigan perspective because the powers in charge then created the enviironment for disaster that engulfed him when his methods met disapproval and failure based on a lot of false assumptions and expectations about how Michigan plays football.
I like to focus on the fact that RR brought two of the most unlikely heroes to Michigan, players whose ability and personality, goes way beyond breaking the stereotype normally associated with players who've succeeded in the program. Denard Robinson and Jordan Kovacs would never have played at Michigan if not for RR. And they ended up becoming captains and two of the most popular players in program history. And I always will be grateful to RichRod for their connection to the program along with all of his recruits who have proudly represented the Maize and Blue, including your likely tri-captains for this season: Taylor Lewan, Devin Gardner and Thomas Gordon.
Hoke benefitted from having those guys on his roster. Remember who recruited them.
His dad played for Michigan; he was going to try and get in no matter who was the coach. You want to thank someone for getting Kovacs to Michigan, you might want to thank Brad Labadie.
Kudos to Rita on the video....not so much for RR.
I thought we (M fans) have moved past RR by now, but apparently I was wrong. Why are some M fans still obsessed over a guy who was an awful coach for this program?
the ones who regularly read Brian Cook carefully, who bought a copy of Three and Out and studied it, and who have been closely following the program for at least 5 years if not 25 years or more; I thought those fans understood the situation with Rich Rodriguez better.
Failure has a million explanations. The best navigate their way and the books written are about leadership.
So... only members of The Rebellion are real M fans?
No more than Bo Clan or Lloyd Loyalists are "real" M fans. Each faction had their point of view and those views each had some level of legitmacy as to what was best for the Michigan football program. The problem that concerns me is that football fanbases that allow the legacy of a coach grows to demagogue levels, it becomes unhealthy. It took Alabama a long time to be Alabama again after Bear Bryant died because no coaching successor could ever match up to the fans memory of Bryant.
Michigan is suffering from a mild case of that right now. Schembechler's legacy still looms too large over this program. It doomed the Rodriguez regime and while we have a brief respite under Hoke, I think we're vulnerable to falling right back into the morass of infighting until we can get past the notion that Michigan has to be lead by a "Michigan Man". This doesn't mean forgetting all the good that Bo did for The University and the football program, but we need to leave room in the collective heart of the fanbase for something new if the situation requires it.
The alternative is to relegate ourselves to hoping that the program can carry on via promotion from within, which means Brady better be grooming guys to take over in about 10-12 years. He may be hugely successful at this, but if we're going to limit our future coaching talent to such a small candidate pool, we're very vulnerable to crashing and burning.
Huh, and here I thought it was awful defense.
No, in fact, it was the fear of Rich Rod becoming bigger than Bo. After 3, 5 and 7 win seasons, the only plausible future scenerio was going to be a 9 win season followed by an 11 win season, and then udefeated seasons for the next 20 years.
Three and Out or Brian's 2012 HTTV that discredits Three and Out? Because you just said both were the building blocks of good fandom.
So your position is that HTTV '12 "discredits" Three and Out?
Check with Brian, and with John U. Bacon on that. And of course, Craig Ross. And get back to me. Because if you don't, I will.
His article points out a number of things that Bacon said that just flat out wasn't accurate. I've probably spoken to Brian more times too, because at MGoBlog events I don't slink in and sneak out like a thief in the night like you do.
So I hoped I saved these people from you annoying them.
I've been to one "MGoBlog event." It was for the release of HTTV '12, coincidentally. It was a beautiful summer Saturday, as I recall. I played golf in the morning, arrived late to the event, said hi to Brian, bought a copy of the guide, looked around and didn't see anybody I knew in the thinning crowd, and left.
I've been to three of John U. Bacon's book signings; one I arranged for an alumni meeting in Bloomfield Hills, and one was in Ann Arbor, where Brian was present with John, and a lot of people asked Brian to co-sign John's book.
None of this matters or ever would have been raised, but for your -- well, I'll just call it curious -- characterization of my "slink[ing] in and sneak[ing] out like a thief in the night."
How do you come up with this stuff?
This will end well.
ever not shown up in a thread where Richrod is mentioned? I think he gets alerts on his phone whenever the words "Rich" or "Rod" are posted on mgoblog
Do you have any particular mistake, factual error, misjudgment, in mind?
I think that Michael Rosenberg, Mark Snyder and the Free Press will be forever tainted in relation to the Michigan football program. When you think about how important "sports" and "Michigan Wolverines" are to the business of the Free Press, that's a very good thing in my mind.
(and before you start typing, I don't particularly care to find out) I just know every thread about RichRod ends up devloving to an argument between you and other mgobloggers where the comments get tinier and tinier as the arguing destroys the whole thread
Section 1 busy is writing death poetry about left wing Regents who had political vendettas against Frank Beckmann.
Such a shame it's so hard to find words that rhyme with "Jim Stapleton."
I dunno. I think they rhyme. But the whole thing seems like a weird idea. Since it was your idea -- 'rhymes with Stapleton' -- maybe you can explain.
this thread is like that GIF of the gorilla pissing in its own mouth.
Remember when we used to have fun on this board? Lately every thread has turned into a knife fight.
I'm going to log out, and when I log back in you kids better have this thread cleaned up!
I'm not going to get in the whole discussion about RR because it's not worth the aggro. I'm just going to say my piece and never check back to see which clowns posted nasty replies.
For me, I loved RR. I didn't like the hell the program went through for the years he was here but I'm smart enough to know that wasn't all his doing, so he gets a bit of a pass with me. I was in the camp that immediately after the bowl game I thought he should have been given one more year, but hindisght being what it is I'm extremely happy with where UM is right now.
As a fan I got behind Hoke immediately after his hiring was announced, but I still felt bad for RR and hoped for the best for him. When he got his new gig i couldn't have been happier for him and hope he finds a ton of success in Arizona. I hope he can build something similar to what he had back at WVU. I will root for RR in every game he coaches unless we find ourselves at opposite sides of the field. Good luck to him!