I didn't see this posted, but Rich Rod made his cinematic return in Hard Edge II as he is creating his own Dollars trilogy.
I saw it a couple months ago.
The sequel is only a week or two old.
Guess I should have watched this one first. My bad.
I think it's pretty creative, and about as non-cringey/awkward as you could hope a video like that to be. Gotta say though, "The Team, The Team, The Team" looks a lot better than that abomination ever did.
to have that chapter behind us.
RR is probably a nice enough guy (though his sideline demeanor was embarrassing) that I can wish him success in the future. He took a ton of unwarranted BS when he was here, but I agree--I'm glad that chapter of M football is closed.
I think it is about the closest one every can agree on.
RR is probably a nice enough guy (though his sideline demeanor was embarrassing)
I just have a better, longer, clearer personal memory of Micihgan football than most of the MGoBlogerati.
Watching Michigan, with blinders on.
If somebody really seriously wanted to fight with me, they could have said that the Schembechler/Carr/Moeller sideline freakouts were almost always in the service of working the refs. Carr in particular was very effective, in being a screaming prick along the sidelines to work the refs. As a partisan, I liked that. Good on Carr.
But there were other leaders in the collegiate football coaching profession who were a lot more gentlemanly than any of our guys.
Rich Rodriguez was a remarkably gentle presence on the sideline. He rarely talked to the defense, much less scream at them. He was particularly solicitous of his young QB's, Forcier and Robinson. Rodriguez did less to work the refs with unruly behavior than most Big Ten coaches.
He probably should have talked and yelled at the defense more often. Just sayin.
... immediately after the '08 Utah game -- Rodriguez's first game in Micihgan Stadium -- that I could not believe how little involvment he had with the defense. It wasn't cirticism necessarily, at that time. I just found it amazing that he didn't talk to the defensive staff, or the players. Not during breaks, not coming off the field (well, maybe a little). It was like two different teams.
That is just his system. I've seen it in the few Arizona games I could watch last year. But television doesn't ever do it justice. It is very unusual; very interesting.
I think a lot of peopel found him embarrassing due to the tears, pouting, post game blaming, and banquet music selection.....I'm pretty sure if the team was playing reasonably against decent B1G teams and he was slamming headsets in anger, people wouldn't have considered him "embarrassing." On a side note, if you can't tell by interviews or direct player interaction that they mostly hated his guts, you're blind.
There's a huge difference between being a screming prick on the sidelines and a whiny bitch. Bo, Moe, and Carr were the former..RR was the latter and it was embarassing.
from the reply I posted exactly 35 minutes previous to yours. Right?
I read your reply and I decided to post the exact same thing ..uh huh
I still don't see this reply youre talking about. Either way point still stands
I’ve been kicked, pushed, knocked down, publicly berated, belittled, emasculated and more."
Humiliating Forcier in front of the nation was just one of the testaments to RR's inability to lead.
Tate's a great source. It's not like he was raised in a weird environment that produced a herd of narcissists or anything.
I'm not saying people knocking RR in this regard are wrong. I'm just saying that taking anything Tate Forcier says at face value is ridiculous. We probably all know enough about him that anybody posting something like that from him is just being flat out disingenuous, even.
There was only one person responsible for the humiliation of Tate Forcier, anyway, and it wasn't Rich Rodriguez.
I think he should have lost the starting job after the towel on the head incident. I also think it should have happened in the coach's office, not on the front page of every media outlet in the country.
The point however, was made in response to a claim that RR was solicitous toward his QB's.
For a fan to attempt to dismiss the thoughts of a former player actually makes me laugh. Everyone's opinion matters except for the person involved. Okay, I'll be disingenuous for a bit.
His perceptions still count, good, bad, or otherwise. RR recruited him knowing that he was raised in that world. The resolution to his problems could have been made in the coach's office - "do this or I start Denard". How do you expect to publicly humiliate your QB, and then have him return to lead the team. That was RR wanting everyone else to do his job for him, a total failure of leadership.
I'm not "attempting" to dismiss the thoughts of a former player. I am dismissing them.
I don't know what you're talking about in regard to this being handled in the coach's office. I think you're forgetting how some things went. Tate was the third string QB going into the game and then sulked on the sidelines with a towel on his head because of it. That was all Tate's doing. Tate didn't sulk on the sidelines and then publicly lose the starting job. It was never his to begin with. The media circus surrounding the incident was entirely Tate's fault. The words, "All you need to know is I'm out," didn't come out of RRs mouth after that game.
And if you're going to quote one tiny portion of his statement while implying that it was directed specifically toward RR when Tate never stated that to be the case, yeah, you're being disingenuous.
At least you didn't supply the full quote.
"I’ve been kicked, pushed, knocked down, publicly berated, belittled, emasculated and more. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to give up or feel the victim. The humility of it all is indescribable and that is exactly my point. I had to reach rock bottom in order to see the light, and for that, I am thankful. It was not until then, I realized that it was my lack of accountability and maturity and not to pass blame."
WWhat an asshole you
What an asshole you are, LB, for that selective cutting. Not that it is such a great quote to begin with. Who knows who the Managing Editor of "QB Force" may have been.
they won something RR didn't do, he sucks, good offensive mind but he's a snake, a terrible fit for U of M and I could care less if he has any success because he hurt Michigan football for 3 long years
When I didn't start this thread, and didn't start weiging in on any strengths or weaknesses of Rodriguez as a coach. All that I needed to do, to set off the MGoFanBoyze, was post a few pictures of Schembechler and Carr that put the lie to the unsupportable notion that Rodriguez's sideline demeanor was deficient for Michigan standards.
Bo had tantrums on the sideline. busted headsets etc. Ask any of his players how he was in practice.
Bo, who the entire Michigan fanbase admires and is the measuring stick for Michigan Manliness.
I'll agree that Rich had leadership and defensive management issues. I didnt like players under the bus or his Groban moment. But his sideline demeanor WASN'T outside of the norm.
The beauty of it is, we are past this, and we have a Howard Cunningham of a coach with a staff of teachers.
True, but I think it's fair to say that there are more binary thinkers on the hater side.
Most of RichRod's supporters here (thinking of Purple Stuff and Section 1) would probably concede that the guy has imperfections as a coach. I believe that to be the case, anyway. Section 1 can correct me if I'm wrong. :)
On the other side? There are plenty of eloquent detractors, but there are also many who, to take the '08 season as an example, can see only 3-9 and no bowl. Nothing else. Not Michael Rosenberg, Lloyd's boys (Braylon, Dhani, and especially Eric Mayes), the least talented team in the modern era, etc. All they know is that RichRod lost a lot of games, so it must be all his fault. Simpler, right? "CreedenceTapes" here seems like a fine example. Dude!
Even under ideal circumstances I don't think he ever would have reached great (11/12-win seasons) heights at Michigan, but it would've helped to not have to work against part of the fans from the beginning.
I suspect there's not a single person here on either side of the question that doesn't recognize that Rodriguez has strengths as a football coach and would make a terrific offensive coordinator. So I think the "binary thinker" notion is a straw man.
I've never made any grand pronouncement as to what sort of football coach Rich Rodriguez is. I'm in absolutely no position to judge. You can't find a single example of me on MGoBlog trying to explain why any Michigan coach is good, bad or indifferent. As a coach. It is the coaches' profession; they devote their lives to it. I'm not even close to being their peer.
Unless we have some sort of Bama level success over the next few years, this topic will never die. 40 years from now, when Hoke's gone, and his successor is gone, idiots will still be trying to argue it
This barrage of posts above is why any Rich Rod post should be deleted. He isn't here anymore and none of this is necessary.
It may not be necessary, but it's the most entertaining thing going on the board right now.
I actually think it's really important to discuss Rodriguez and his time here. You know, the whole "don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past" thing. Both in who we hire and how we treat our coaches.
I just wish we could do it civilly.
Man, I try to stick up for your boy and you dog me like that? Cold...
Section 1's irrational continued defense of RichRod is bizarre and this discussion of coach demeanor on the sidelines is strange (basically, they all yell a lot, at the refs and in "teaching" the players when watching from my section).
The bit about "you and Rod had something" is offensive and RCMB/MLive at it's core.
Good job finding three pictures to prove an opinion.
Anyway, I had trouble with other more empirical measurements for Rich Rodriguez somehow being a disgrace on the sidelines. Maybe you can help out with that.
I love a good one
We're not, and I am really happy we don't see that sign in the tunnel.
Angelique touched on it yesterday. That tunnel is more than just the way into the stadium. It is generally not a good idea to screw with things you don't understand.
Arizona fans love these videos.
It's all about context.
I may be too old to see it happen, but I can't wait for the day to come soon enough when RichRod is OT.
I've seen worse (Freekbass and whatever that Ice Capades-esque thing was from Notre Dame, to name just a couple). Context is important here. Tuscon != Ann Arbor and, more important, UArizona != UMichigan. I'd like to know what the Wildcat fans think of the video.
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Comparing Hoke to RichRod, I don't think the former is a highbrow type, but he has the situational awareness (I guess) that allows him to understand what will/won't work with that crowd.