RowoneEndzone

November 11th, 2011 at 2:12 PM ^

You are pretty new around here. This is a pretty pro RR blog and one that does not take kindly to insulting his work and effort.  The best approach I can offer you is talk about the current team if you didn't like RR, and steer away from posts about this topic.  This has played out 2398521798 times on this blog and every angle has been covered, extensively.

GetSumBlue

November 11th, 2011 at 2:21 PM ^

I'm not new, I've been reading since before RR was hired. My comment was sarcastic about the dude. I know about his "e-rep". If anyone actually read my post, the first sentence said "I LIKED RR". Explain how I insult his work and effort. I used the word debacle. Maybe that got everyone's panties in a bunch. Debacle meaning, failure on all parts, which I mentioned in another post.

It just shows how quick people are to jump down someones throat for a dissenting opinion.

Humen

November 11th, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^

The issue is not that you expressed dissent. Rather, you used (and continue to use) the sort of uncreative adjectives that constitute flamebait. Have you ever read A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again? Err, maybe you just need a lesson on indicating contrast.

 

Moleskyn

November 11th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^

Why? There is obviously a portion of the fanbase that didn't like him before he stepped on campus, but there are also a lot of people who believed (and still believe) in him and his abilities. And because of that, they will watch him wherever he goes. It's the same thing as being a fan of a UM player in the NFL. You like him and you hope he does well, no matter which team he plays for. RR is a part of the UM family.

BigBlue02

November 11th, 2011 at 2:29 PM ^

I agree. And while we are at it, let's not ever say we liked any former coach - Bo, Lloyd, etc... - because, you know, it just gets old after a while. Fuck all those guys.

Oaktown Wolverine

November 11th, 2011 at 4:02 PM ^

You just compared liking Rich Rod, one of the (statistically) worst coaches we've ever had in Michigan history, a guy who ended the bowl streak and gave us 2 loosing years and was 6-18 in the BIG, with liking Bo and Lloyd? No wonder your name is Big Blue, you don't know too much about Michigan Football.

BigBlue02

November 11th, 2011 at 4:21 PM ^

Considering our current coach is honoring some of the worst teams in our history that were coached by Bump Elliot by putting the numbers on the side of the helmet, I guess he is just an asshat that doesn't know much about Michigan football either. The nerve of him, liking a former coach like Bump Elliot when he wasn't a good coach. How he got our head coaching job is beyond me when he demonstrates a horrible understanding of our history. We all know that if you are statistically a bad coach, the only thing to do is shit on said coach and not like him.

jmdblue

November 11th, 2011 at 4:49 PM ^

Easy...this whole thread has become total bullshit, but I'm pretty sure that the numbers on the helmets have exactly everything to do with the kids thinking they're cool and exactly nothing to do with Bump Elliot or his record.  I get it. you like RR.  Stop letting your detractor turn the board into Sparty debating the merits of Muddy Waters (not the blues legend) vs. Daryl Rogers.

BigBlue02

November 11th, 2011 at 5:37 PM ^

Actually, every thread involving RichRod is complete shit. It happens because it's impossible to say you like or respect RichRod without someone shitting all over him. In this thread, half the posts are from one guy who finds it suspicious and baffling to why anyone would say they like RichRod. I notice you didn't call them out for being ridiculous, either. Wonder why

GetSumBlue

November 11th, 2011 at 5:59 PM ^

Look at every thread about RR. People will either kiss his feet or say they hated him. Most of this blog are RR fans...where have you been?

Yes, this "one guy" is suspicious why people would say they "like" RR. If you can't see the difference between expressing like and overcompensating, I'm sorry.

Furthermore, please tell me how anyone "shit on RR" in this thread.

BigBlue02

November 11th, 2011 at 7:40 PM ^

After 1 post saying they wish RichRod luck, you said we shouldn't do that because it is overplayed. That suggests people shouldn't support our ex-coach. Then, when I compared RichRod to all of our other ex-coaches because, you know, he coached here, it was suggested that we should only support ex-coaches who did well. That means, because of the last 3 years, we should only chear Michigan when they are doing well and we shouldn't like any individual who doesn't perform well.

Mitch Cumstein

November 11th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

"There is obviously a portion of the fanbase that didn't like him before he stepped on campus, but there are also a lot of people who believed (and still believe) in him and his abilities."

 

Just so we're clear, there are only two types of people, those that didn't give him a chance and hated him before he got here, and those that believed in him?  There weren't any people that believed in him and supported him until they realized he wasn't the man for the job?

Moleskyn

November 11th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^

I didn't say those were the only two types of people. And I wouldn't say that anybody realized that he wasn't the right man for the job; believed would be a better word choice, since to say that someone realized he wasn't the right man for the job would be to imply that he was not, as a matter of fact, the right man for the job. I still believe that he was the right man for the job, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so, but to debate this is futile.

Rodriguez is gone, many people will always wonder what could have been, but it just irks me when people state as fact that "RR wasn't the right man for the job," "the spread will never work in the Big Ten," "RR was a terrible coach," etc. They're inflammatory jabs at a member of the Michigan family, and are largely made without facts.

Mitch Cumstein

November 11th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^

I also think its a little bit lame for him to be like "Of course they're doing great.  If I was still the coach we'd be doing just as well.".  But at the same time, what is he supposed to say?  "If I were the coach we would be sucking, good thing for them I got canned." 

I think you have to cut him a little slack b/c of the awkwardness of those types of questions in general.  There really isn't a good way for him to answer. 

profitgoblue

November 11th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^

I agree - there is no good way for Rodriguez to answer those questions.  It must be tough for him to even watch Michigan play . . . He has (or at least had) a very close relationship with many of the current players and has a special place for them in his heart but, on the other hand, probably feels very burned by the way he was treated generally.  So he's torn inside.  Then he gets the question and he's all like "I knew they would be good" because he loves the kids and then he's all like "they would be better in my offense" because he's still frustrated. 

Stepping into his shoes, its easier to understand the human side of it all.  I think sometimes people that dislike him forget that he's just a dude.

The Wolf

November 11th, 2011 at 2:39 PM ^

I think this is a great point. He has been faced with this situation several times this year, and I think we are watching him evolve a bit from the PR/Media-relaitons side of the business as well (as evidenced by his explicit answers, and the overall tone of the piece).

markinmsp

November 11th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^

Rich Rod likes him some Ole Miss

Freep article has Rich Rod saying he's interested in Mississippi:

“Ole Miss seems to me like it’s always been a special place,” Rodriguez said. “… I’d certainly be interested in talking to Ole Miss.


The Memphis Commercial Appeal states would a good fit he'd be for the Mississippi job.

commercialappeal.com/news/2011/nov/08/ole-miss-list-should-start-with-leach-rodriguez/

M-Wolverine

November 11th, 2011 at 2:31 PM ^

I mean, he could keep quite and NOT talk to the "Illni Quarterback Club", because they have nothing to do with his new job or the game he's covering.  But he's going to get the questions along the line.

And he can't really answer question with answers like-

 

Michigan, defensively, they've got all the kids back and they're healthier.

...and they got a better GREG and got rid of all my clueless assistants who I might be trying to hire back in that job I'm looking for in 2012."  I mean the passive-aggressive ignoring of factors is annoying, but this isn't a guy who's retiring and ready to write his memoirs (though Bacon kinda already did that for him), but someone who trying to paint the best picture as a hirable candidate. Can't fault him for that.

justingoblue

November 11th, 2011 at 2:43 PM ^

Whether you believe it or not, I'd bet anything I owned ten times over that RR does, and had said that to MSC, Brandon and anyone else who would listen before he lost his job.

I highly doubt the first time he said any of this was from the comfort of a broadcast booth.

Edward Khil

November 12th, 2011 at 12:36 AM ^

It always helps if you can pay your Defensive Coordinator more than the BCS average for DC's.  One thing Brandon did right is hire a HC without breaking the bank and open the wallet for quality Coordinators.  RR didn't have a chance to bring in a non-GERG at the salary he was able to offer.

Section 1

November 11th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^

 

Sorry Rich, too bad you couldn't get the job done. That our team is where he'd thought they'd be is a joke. How does he think our scoring defense would be #6 in the country?

 

Rodriguez is probably thinking that he'd have gotten a new DC, with a budget that was something better than the middle of the pack in the Big Ten.  Just like what happened with Brady Hoke.  And the reason that Rodriguez probably thought so, was because he probably had several very serious conversations with Dave Brandon, that led to this remarkable public concession by Brandon:

“We [Michigan] have traditionally kind of been in the middle of the pack [in terms of compensation for assistant football coaches, particularly coordinators],” he said. “That’s kind of been our tradition, and I don’t necessarily believe that that’s been appropriate.” 

Rodriguez having predicted where this team would be is no joke.  It is where Rodriguez and his staff predicted this team would be, two years ago. 

robpollard

November 11th, 2011 at 4:29 PM ^

...since February.

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2011/02/ap_interview_rich_rod…

Rich Rodriguez was convinced the worst was behind him at Michigan, that better days were coming..."Exponentially" better, as he put it. "We saw the light at the end of the tunnel."

 

I'll agree with others that he answers this about as well as he can and there is no perfect way to answer it.  He is now a CFB commentator; it is literally his job to talk about college football.

All that said, I hope he is right and at the end of this season we are 10-2 or 9-3.  If we only win zero or one of these next three games (esp. if we lose to a depleted OSU at home), this season will not be much better at all.

His Dudeness

November 11th, 2011 at 1:46 PM ^

If PSU can come back from this and be a national recruiting power again I would love to see RR there. I hope he ends up at a major program so he can go all Urban Meyer on everyone. He deserves that chance.

I'm on page 287 of Three and Out.