Reuben Foster flips from Alabama to Auburn
Well, the money went to Means's coach, so it may be technically correct.
Kenny Smith, on the other hand...
And Cam Newton's money went to his dad... I just assumed there was some trickle down to Means.
...No one directly affiliated with The University of Alabama knew of, sanctioned, or had anything to do with the Albert Means debacle, and it was proven to the NCAA, who agreed. It was a rogue booster, not the university, and money never exchanged hands anyway. Get your facts straight.
The above post is 100% false. Alabama was put on probation because a rogue booster tried to pay a high school coach $200k to get Albert Means to go to Alabamna. Coach Fulmer at Tennessee found out and turned Bama in. It was proven in the NCAA investigation that the university never asked this booster to do so and had no knowledge of the offer. The NCAA agreed in their findings that neither the Bama administration nor the coaches had anything to do with the offer. That booster has since been forcibly dissaciated with the U. of Alabama.
So, no, Bama, the institution, has never paid for a player. Pat Dye, the coach at auburn at the time in the 90's, was recorded by a player discussing paying him, how much, and how to do it. Rogue boosters acting without university consent and without their knowledge is universes apart from a head coach and the administration arranging payments.
This sounds just like the Cam Newton story minus the missing hat man.
I'm assuming you meant "bag" man, but whatever. I was discussing NCAA findings with Alabama that are widely known and can be found even now, and never mentioned cam newton. What happened with cam newton is known only to those invloved, as everyone refused to talk to the NCAA. Alabama cooperated with the NCAA at the time of the Means debacle and everyone talked. That situation in no way mirrors that of cam newton, given that no one knows what happened with him even now. Maybe you should finish your English 101 class at MSU before you go on thinking you know what grown folks are talking about. [Southern vernacular chosen purposefully and stood by]
Someone's getting a little defensive. I'm enjoying the ad hominems, but I don't listen to Finebaum so hat man, bag man, whatever indeed. The difference between the two cases was one was proven (Alabama) and one wasn't (Auburn). Look, I'm not naive enough to believe that Auburn is a clean program, but didn't Alabama just get off of 17 consecutive years of probation? Pot kettle black.
Incorrect. A booster TRIED to pay, and we got into trouble. The trouble from the NCAA was for the failure of preventing such an offer, not actually jeopardizing the amateur nature of the sport as an institution. The NCAA's penalties against us were criminally harsh, and there are lawsuits against the NCAA from the mid 90's about this event that still haven't been settled.
A booster shouldn't do that, and it's deplorable. But just bceause some crazy, rich guy went rogue, and I have no no need to use quotes as you did above as it fits the situation, and did something on his own, does not mean you can make the statement that Alabama football pays it's players. It's a fact, and it's your desire for us Bama fans to be "funny" that drives you to lump it together in your mind. If you can only hold so many ideas in your head and must lump things together to keep them straight - so be it. My brain is more powerful than that.
I don't sling mud at your school about things I know little about, and I'd appreciate it if you stop doing it to mine. Take care.
I admit Bama has our share of crazy fans - that's undeniable. I simply take exception to 3 things:
1) Lumping me in with those crazy fans when I obviously conduct myself differently than those people.
2) I have a different opinion on the Means issue than you, and choose to look at the situation more closely and discuss how it differs drastically from the classic idea of institutions paying players and jeopardizing the amateur nature of the game. Has Alabama been without fault in all instances throughout it's history? - no. Has Alabama generally and historically played within the rules, and are they playing within the rules now? - yes. Should they be lumped in with other programs who have defined their existence with cheating? - no.
3) I didn't realize that you thought the NCAA always had it right with regard to investigations and punishments. You're the first CFB fan I've ever met who thinks that.
Take care.
Thanks for your explanation,and I agree that paying players could have happened at any major football program, particularly in the 80's and early 90's.
I agree that Bama has our fair share of "crazy" fans, I think it's because we have such a passionate and large fan base, the crazies end up being a large group of people despite being proportional to most other similarly large programs. However, I don't think this should define our program from other fanbases' perspectives. As you may know, Tuscaloosa is a fantastic venue to watch a game whether as a Bama fan or rival fan, and you will always be treated with relative respect. That's a far cry from places like LSU, where if you're a rival fan, physical assault or all your car windows getting smashed is a common occurence. Let's try to keep in mind what truly "crazy" is. Take care.
Look, if you guys on this blog and forum are the internet types who obsess over the decision of a 17 year old kid, then have fun with that. I am not that type of fan.
Sure, Foster seems to be a can't miss ILB prospect and Bama would have loved to have him, but we have a team full of talent and a class full of talent to sign this year. This is literally not a big deal. If Bama was auburn, bereft of talent and desperate for playmakers, and I was an auburn fan (oh, the horror), then I'd be beside myself at the news.
However, the reality is, Bama has lots of talent on the team and in this current class, and losing this one kid will not make or break Bama. I'm not excusing the news nor the loss of a recruit - I wish he'd come to Bama. But he's not, and Alabama will continue to have NFL talent all over our D for years to come despit Foster's absence.
Some of you guys need to grow a pair and understand the reality of teams with loads of talent. Foster's loss is not a huge deal. In reality, given that oral "commitments" aren't binding, he was never Alabama's to begin with. Ergo, we lost nothing. As a corollary, he's not auburn's yet either.
Let's wait till signing day to evaluate our classes. If you guys are the sissy, wash-woman, bed-wetting, hand-wringing types over one recruit, then do that. Bama is too stacked and has too many top recruits, some at foster's position no less, eyeing us to lose sleep over one guy, no matter how talented he is.
Roll Tide, and have fun being worrying lady types.
that you go one a thousand word diatribe about how little you care and how little effect it will have on you and your schools football life
but this was the #2 rated player in the nation and now you have to face him while he plays for your arch-rival. Don't act like you're okay with this. I don't buy that.
We're Alabama.
We don't measure success in mythical recruiting championships. We don't measure success by keeping recruits from in-state rivals. We don't measure success by beating that in-state rival in any given year. We measure success by winning National Championships and by being the undeniable baddest team in the land. Michigan fans, of all fanbases, should understand that.
Some of you Michigan fellas are acting like MSU fans, and it's embarassing.
is trying to be a regional power, we will never be the caliber of alabama, our conference dont allow one year scholarships and oversigning,
1) Alabama and the SEC gives out 4 year schollies.
2) Alabama does not "oversign".
I challenge you to prove these 2 statements wrong with evidence. I'll be waiting.
Yes, they are. I can't make them have a playoff. National Championships are National championships.
FALSE.
Beating Auburn is important, but it is behind SEC championships and National Championships in importance. It is 3a or 3b at best, being tied with beating Tenn.
talk like this to guests on this board, but go the fuck away.
an Alabama fan trashing Auburn. We yankees can't tell you two apart. From my perspective its like the Judaen Peoples Front getting riled up against the People's Front of Judea.
now make it rain on dem hoes!
In all seriousness, I don't understand how Auburn is recruiting so well. They had a one-and-done national championship and past that...it's Auburn. PLUS, they lost Malzahn so what's the big draw now? WIth just Chizik at the helm, they should tank pretty quick
EDIT: On actually checking out their rivals page, they have just the 3 amazing recruits and then a lot of meh. Auburn = Clemson now
1) The prospect of immediate playing time.
2) Going to class is voluntary.
3) The party scene at au isn't terrible.
4) They've got some hot chicks. Hot, white chicks. Loose, hot, white chicks.
5) Their gameday atmosphere is pretty good.
6) Lax coaching staff
7) Significant evidence that auburn's been systematically paying players for 3 decades.
8) 17 year old kids are sometimes stupid.
What about Ruben Foster's buddy (teammate?) Trey Mathews? I bet UGA fans are worried they will loose him to Auburn, since these two guys have been saying for the past few weeks they are going to play together in college.
This is a good indicator that 2014 RB Bo Scarbough is going to pick Auburn later this month.
Someone may wanna protect the trees...
Some of the guys he was going against appeared totally disinterested in even trying to block him. Which might have been smart from the standpoint of self-preservation.
It will be interesting to see what happens when everybody he's going against is as big and strong and fast as him.
I have seen chatter on 247 Sports about Shaq Wiggins flipping from Georgia to Auburn, which is where I first saw the Foster rumors a few weeks ago. Wiggins is no Foster, but definitely a solid talent.
Did Saban's check bounce?
gotta dig in those pockets a bit deeper Saban......
Whether it's just for fun or potentially serious, implying that Bama pays for players is not in any way grounded in fact and comes off as petty. I mean, how could lowly Alabama be so successful? They must be cheating, right? I mean, they're in the SEC, and the SEC must be cheating, right? How else could they be successful?
Nope, homeslice. We do it the right way - we're just much better at it than most.
I expected more from this fanbase.
Are you Bama's starting QB or something? I can never remember your name.
You're the one who needs to be told not to get their panties in a bunch. A few posts ago, you blatantly accused Auburn of cheating and paying players for the past 30 years. Now you're flipping your lid because another random dared to suggest Alabama may be as dirty as any SEC team. You're a funny little troll.
God forbid that I discuss historical facts. I have said nothing about any school that cannot be backed up with evidence. It's so funny that you guys think "trolling" is have an opinion that differs from your own fanbase's. So funny.
the sec cheats, oversigns. If your so offended that nobody on this board cares abot alabamas alleged greatness,go to an alabama board with like minded folks "homeslice".
If it makes you feel better about your own school's and conference's football programs by firmly believing that the SEC "cheats" and hanging your hat on the oversigning issue, which i can smash as it relates to Bama - have fun. I'd never want to quell someone's delusion in the pursuit of happiness.
I do not care about anyone here recognizing Alabama's "greatness," nor do I care at all about the rest of my conference. I simply care about you discussing the facts about my program, Bama - accurately - without innuendo based on jaded opinion. You are correct, however, that me getting miffed about people on the internet having a differing opinion from mine, when their opinion isn't based at all on fact, is downright silly. I'd be pissed at the entire internet.
I realize that most of you too firmly hold to your beliefs about Bama and/or the SEC to discuss the facts as they exist. I will leave you to your ignorance. I've realized now that not walking the maize-and-blue party line, and not harrumphing at the right times, equals "trolling" to you guys. I'll try to stick to the X's and O's threads in the future.
takes Troll Tide to a whole new level. Always feel the need to get the last word in. Love how you try to convince people that the sec or bama are not buying players and oversigning. your mad bro because people on this board know better.
Prove it.
I believe Bama neither pays players nor "oversigns". Prove otherwise, please.