We'll get lucky once.
We'll get lucky once.
Alright, time to get off the ledge.
Are we a national factor, a potential league champ or even"good". Probably not any but fortunately we play in the B1G so none of that matters.
All kidding aside, lets look at our next four opponents.
1) Nebraska - I don't know how but somehow Hoke finds a way at home and Nebraska hasn't been too pretty anywhere this year. Opthey've only played road twice this year beating hapless Purdue but getting beaten soundly in Minnesota. They barely got by Northwestern today and the Northwestern of today is not the Northwestern of September. The only good team they've played all season destroyed them (UCLA). They've haven't played the stronger three teams in the league (State, Wiscy and Ohio). This game is winnable.
2) Northwestern - these guys are in full on free fall after the Ohio loss. Five losses in a row. Unless Venric Mark is in fact a super powered purple unicorn in an undersized running back's body who magically regenerates his wounded limbs in time for our game in two weeks and puts the whole NW team on his back.... Slightly more analytically speaking, Northwesterns game isn't defense the way State's is. They have to out score you to win and they haven't been doing that. Again, winnable.
3) Iowa - I dunno. I still see this as winnable. Is anyone really afraid of Iowa's offense? Yes they have a solid defense but they're not as good as State. Not nearly. They've really played a crap schedule and couldn't really contain any of the halfway decent offenses they played. However, it is on the road....Hoke can't win on the road meme...whatever. Still winnable.
4) Ohio - Not winnable. End of home win streak.
It's not a Kool Aid thing because I truly am straight miserable right now but I just don't think any of those games except Ohio are out of reach.
for us. Probably go 1-3
I say we drop Iowa, go undefeated at home (scraping by Ohio once again), and beat Northwestern with a ND-like final score.
Sorry, but Ohio isn't as good as they look against nobodies like Purdue. No one else will be able to prey on our major weakness in the same way Staee did. Defenses are not nearly the same caliber.
9-3. Fire Funk.
All due respect if you think we are beating Ohio your denial at what just transpired runs deep. This team cannot compete at that level right now. It is apples and oranges. This is a bad football team.
Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa, Northwestern...all teams that are in our same caliber of play. None of them will exploit our O-Line like Staee.
Even if we drop Ohio, I still think we don't drop Nebraska or NU.
This is a very bad football team. Poor coaching, poor execution, poor preparation, etc. OSU will have the game against us wrapped up by half. 1-4 will be the most likely outcome. That includes another bowl loss.
Cant wait for Hoke's pressers. Well we've got work to do. Well we're young in some spots. We fought hard, but got out physicalled. Need to get better at the line of scrimmage. Blah blah blah. Tired of his nonsense. He needs to rip into his players and coaches. They are too fucking soft.
You need to chill out. Whether you like it or not they are extremely young, especially on the O-line and that is one position you cannot get away with throwing young players on the field. Yes people say UCLA did it for a game because of injuries...... and they got blown off the field. You cannot change the entire offense and expect it to be fixed on only 2 recruiting classes. To expect that is pure insanity.
How's that young UCLA o-line with the 1st round draft pick fairing against a terrible Colorado team tonight?
People that bitch and complain when a team struggles for obvious reasons (youth) are pathetic.
Ghost, really? Youth? The OBVIOUS reason is BORGES SUCKS bro? Don't you see it? EVERY team has to shore up youth at key positions every year, and if they can't then find some way to minimize exposure to it. This is 100% on Borges, period. Even after the Akron and UCONN debacles, there's AL still pounding the ball into a mediocre PSU D line 27 times. The same D line that go mercied by Ohio.
Stop with the youth nonsense. This is 100% Grade A Al Borges Must Be Fired time man. He must go come end of year. THAT is what is obvious.
What is with the UCLA comparisons? They are beating CU by double digits. Im confused. They did get blown out by Oregon, but guess what, they put up points.
I guarantee you OSU will score at least 2 tds against MSU. Face it, we suck. We cant consistently score against any competent defense.
Clord is right. Borges must go. Youth is not an excuse. Nobody said anything about youth when they hung 60+ on IU. But whenever theres an ugly loss, its youth. Thats just a cop out. Its being out coached and unprepared when going on the road. Youth does play a tiny part, but its not why they lost today.
Well, yes, they did score against Oregon. Only two Oregon opponents have scored fewer points and one of them was Nicholls State, but at least they didn't get shut out.
They scored at Stanford, too. Every other Stanford opponent has scored more, but....
I dont really give a shit about what UCLA does. But they did look better against Oregon and Stanford than Michigan did yesterday. Did UCLA's young line struggle in those games? Sure. But they didnt have -40+ yards rushing. I know it was the sacks, but they didnt give up the numberof sacks Michigan has. Some of those are on DG, but still, this Michigan team/staff have some serious work to do.
Im hoping Borges and Funk are gone after this season. I doubt it, but one can hope.
Sure are ignorant
and I don't get why this is so hard to understand.
14 scholarship OL. 10 have freshmen elegibility. If our staff can't "coach 'em up" so that they can manhandle the juniors and seniors from the #1 defense in the nation, well, then they just suck at their jobs, simple as that.
The OL depth issues are not the fault of the current staff. If you evaluate them based on what they have done to address the problem long term, I think they come off pretty well. Short term, you do what you can but no game plan can hide an entire position group.
Redshirt freshman years. Schofield - first playing time in his redshirt freshman year.
Who recruited the current set of redshirt freshmen?
How did we do against State the last time we played with a young inexperienced offense: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/102508.html
Brandon Minor and Steve Threet managed to put up 21 points on State, and 84 yards rushing. (They put 202 yards on the ground against Penn State as well.)
No - the issue is player development - and that falls on either the S&C staff or the offensive coaching.
Molk was eventually a Rimington Trophy winner and one is likely a first round draft pick and both were not surrounded by two other guys creating the core of the line with as little experience and no one faced a defense this good. It kills me to say this but State's D is really damn good and senior laden.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not absolving the coaches here but offensive line more than any other position needs to be at least three or four guys with junior or senior eligibility if for no other reason than having three years learning the system, bulking up, and getting used to college caliber defensive players. Most of these guys were destroying kids half their size and a quarter of their talent in high school without the use of technique or the need to really have to seriously do conditioning, More than any other spot, you have to have experienced o-line. You could have the best skill players and Q in the world but they're worthless without holes to run through or time for routes to develop. Truth be told, next year might even get worse as we lose the only experience we have. Have to hope that among the ten freshmen eligibility guys we can find five that can play.
How is it that people buy into the "O line is young" meme so readily when the far more obvious "AL BORGES IS HORRIBLE" meme slaps them in the face constantly? Fire Borges and Funk come end of season.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
"You cannot change the entire offense and expect it to be fixed on only 2 recruiting classes. To expect that is pure insanity."
Urban Meyer did it, just sayin'.
Watch we will beat Ohio State because thats the only thing that can make this season any more frustrating we will have joy defeting Ohio State and pain at the amazing incosistency of this team its the only thing that will make this season complete.
I don't get the people that have watched Michigan play, and have presumably watched Ohio State play and think that there's any chance that Michigan hangs with them. They are going to get crushed.
I think you have to count every road game as a loss, maybe we win against Nebraska at home, and then Ohio State is a loss. That's 1-3 for a 7-5 finish.
OSU's offense is also light years ahead of MSU's. Gardner will have to have the game of his life for us to hang with them.
Ehh. Games like that are the ones where our offense thrives. Something about the back and forth. We can trade scores handily. Two teams with high-powered offense and mediocre defense. That's our comfort zone.
Plus we get them at home. Ohio is definitely best in the B1G, but they are not as good as they look.
So much wrong with what you said. How are games like that ones where our offense thrives? Our offense only thrives against terrible defenses. And even then sometimes they still struggle. Ohio State doesn't have MSU's defense but they are a far cry from Indiana and/or Minnesota.
Michigan and Ohio State are not two teams with high-powered offenses and mediocre defenses. Ohio State has a high-powered offense, Michigan has a mediocre one. Ohio State has a stout defense. Michigan has an OK defense.
And Ohio State may not be the #4 team in the country, but they are definitely a top 10 team, and they are getting better as they go along this season. Michigan on the other hand is getting worse as they go along.
They are two teams heading in opposite directions. It won't be a close game. Especially because Ohio State will need to score "style" points to try and improve their lot in the BCS as much as they can.
Our team will play up to them at home protecting undefeated + rivalry intangibles. Ohio will be favored. I won't be surprised if we lose, but I'm expecting a win.
You're expecting a win?? That's insane. Like literally the definition of insane.
1. in a state of mind that prevents normal perception.
If you think the team will play up to the rivalry, then what would you call today's performance? Or does the team just pick and choose when they want to defend their pride? Ohio State will be favored by double digits, and should cover that easy.
I actually feel like I'm more disappointed in this loss than most people on this board.
And yet I do not feel like we will lose to Ohio. Call me insane all you want. I really don't give any fucks.
Although I don't share your optimism, I do appreciate it.
I don't feel optimistic. I just feel that our team has weaknesses that Ohio will not be able to exploit. And when those weaknesses aren't exposed like they were tonight, we will play a good game.
This is why I picked Iowa for the remaining loss. Neither NU nor Nebraska will be able to expose our weaknesses, but Iowa will because defense is their strength (plus tough road game). NU is like a home-away-from-home and they will probably not be playing with a full deck, plus they are of questionable quality with a full deck. Nebraska just is not very good and we get them at home. And Ohio will not be able to expose our weaknesses like Staee and we get them at home, so I expect victory in those three.
If you expect us to win that implies you believe the odds are over 50% right? In that case I'll give you 2 to 1 odds that we lose, for $1,000. Meaning if we lose, I pay you $2,000 and if we win, you pay me $1,000. If you have any gamble in you you would take this bet given it implies Ohio wins 66% of the time, whereas you believe it is under 50%
There is no logical universe in which we lose to Iowa and beat OSU
Yes because transitive property of football QED
You are on the pipe.... Not beating Ohio....
Nope. This was the worst football game I've ever seen. Our offensive line looked completely and utterly incompetent.
But no one else on our schedule will be doing that to us. You can think I'm fucking crazy all you want. Don't care.
Sadness, alcohol, and hangovers
They'll beat Nebraska and one of Iowa/NW. Not at all confident about Ohio anymore. 8-4 with a new years day bowl.
Two more L's. We lose to one of Iowa - NW, and Ohio State.
Hope you all enjoyed UTL II in early September. It looks like that's our highlight for the entire year.
I'm thinking about heading up to the cabin and holing myself away from the rest of the world during OSU weekend.
3 more losses. IA and OH are certain losses.
The people that are counting Iowa as a win clearly don't remember how well we play on the road, let alone on the road against Iowa. Only team to win there recently was the '05 team and that was in OT.
Nebraska - toss-up, leaning loss
@Northwestern - toss-up, leaning loss
@Iowa - loss
Ohio State - loss
Tears and alcohol.
8-4 as an optimist
We will beat Nebraska and we will win at Iowa or at NW. No way we get within 20 points of OSU. That's my uninformed opinion.
as well. Unless Devin is really hurt. Then it could be 0-4 the rest of the way.
We'll beat Neb and NW, probably lose to Iowa and OSU.
Irrelevant. Predictions won't make any difference because no one every knows which offense will show up.
Right now this team is as scary as: 3rd Down and 13 with a schizophrenic OC in which 80% of the time he'll run tackle over and 20% of the time try to air it out using max protection with only 1 WR.
losses......... lots of them
Shit, booze, hangovers and apologies to whomever watches the game with me because my girlfriend tells me I need to apologize.
Probably not, that sucked!
Probably 2-2 or 3-1. I know it's STAEE but they are the #1 defense and we were on the road. It's probably not as bad as seems right now
Iowa and N'Western are road games. And we suck on the road (6-10 under Hoke). Given how we generally play against both of those teams, I'd count those as losses.
Just feels like 1-3 and 2-2 on the optimistic side. O line and RB pass blocking seems like the worst I can remember
Would be a success for this crap show.
2-2. Beat Nebraska and Northwestern, lose to Iowa and Ohio State.
"Alex, I'll take another crappy bowl game in Florida for a $1000, please"
Michigan will still:
I'm cool with that.
You forgot that they'll have good hockey and basketball teams.
None of those things has anything to do with results on the field. Hoke talks about "championships" and "toughness." I see neither.
Big picture doesn't matter we're talking about football here
But what does "Be Michigan" mean? We only are Michigan if we do Michigan. If we keep getting owned like this then "Being Michigan" will be a joke to everyone else. We had better suck it up right now. Hopefully we will.
on how bad DG ego and body have been bruised. The entire team was punished badly today. They were out manned to the point I believe their will has been broken.
They now know they cannot win the Big Ten Championship. If they split the remaining four games considering their coaching handicaps that would be a considerable achievement. BTW, if DG cannot play or is playing hurt they will lose all four.
We need a big time coach and soon.
There are not many coaches I would want instead. And I think very few, or none would leave their current jobs (in the NFL or NCAA).
Be careful what you wish for.
Harbaugh. Brady belongs in the mac
If you're interested, the latest Massy numbers pending update on Monday:
So, the prediction here would be a lean win, two games that could likely go either way, and a likely loss.
LOL....suck would be my prediction. A lot of well's will be said as well.
This team and program is a joke right now. 0 for November is certainly possible. We wont win on the road and OSU is going to smash us. So that leaves Neb....and with our propensity to give up big plays and not block anyone, not sure why anyone see's a win in this team left on the schedule.
6-6 is more than possible, but everyone will blame youth again.
You do see the staff hauling in top recruiting classes don't you. You do realize those don't pay off until at least 3 years down the road.
Just because you say youth isn't the reason doesn't make it so. Anyone who watches college football knows that teams this young are going to struggle.
Staee anin't that greaa
Itr's just because our o line is absolute garbage. We will beat Nebraska because their defense sucks and we will beat NW. Iowa and Ohio are going to be losses unless FUNK is replaced nowon the bus ride home in which case we'll beat either Iowa or OSU but not both.
Fucking enough with the Staee, enough with the they're not that good, just fucking stop already!
How bad is M then?
We'll lose to Ohio. I can see us losing to Iowa as well. We haven't performed well against competent defenses and have been inconsistent against poor teams, so who knows. I'd guess we go 2-2 over the next four games. This just isn't the year.
2-2. My wife hates Saturdays.
Actually, come to think of it, I'm starting to hate them myself!!
W vs NEB
W vs NW
L vs IOWA
L vs OSU
W vs whoever in bowl game
isn't beating the MAC #2 team in Detroit
Fairly symmetric distribution. 1 most likely. 0 a bit more likely than 2 I'm afraid. As follows:
Iowa on road, & they're improving? = Probably loss.
Ohio state: just hoping to keep it close to marginally not too too embarrassing.
NU on road & Nebraska at home? Likely get one of those, but dropping both more likely than winning both.
About what I'd expected at start of season given too much inexperience (& "players left after the great purges of the post Carr era") scattered in bad places: lines, secondary. Notre dame win momentarily upped my estimate, but then we learned: nope. ND is pretty bad too. So a win or two more from here is about as expected or better for this team. Maybe 1 loss worse (the horror in happy valley)
I'd be pleased with 2-2.
Sadly, you are right. I'm embarrased to admit our low standards, but 8-4 is starting to look like a fat chick at closing time.
of beating Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska.
More than capable of losing all 4. Anything more than 1 win would feel fortunate.
7-5 if we are lucky
1-3 for this inept staff. However, 0-4 wouldn't surprise me. Somebody will have to explain to me, how this staff is any different that what we saw under RR. Oh wait... I know... RR wasn't Brandon's hire.
We're headed for a 7-5 season and no New Year's Day bowl. The formerly optimistic side of me is gasping for breath as it tries to convince the rational side of me that we'll go 2-2 down the stretch.
We can win the next three but when the Buckeyes come to town we will live the life of the smallest guy in the cell block............ As bad as we looked today, our upcoming competition doesn't look great either.
Pelini is probably done after this season. Northwestern looks to have mailed in their season. Not like Northwestern is a real away game anyways. Then lose to Iowa because M can't win on the road and lose to Ohio because of the season long issues M has had and Borges going for another 27 for 27 because he's so smart.
There will be a lot of whining, complaining, and over the top butthurt, regardless of whether we win or lose.
From stupidity? Of course.
From valid criticisms? I'm right there making them.
Your ideas about me have always been extremely misguided, because you can't see past your own nose.
Win vs. Nebraska, Nebraska is just not a good football team, and the home field advantage will help us get by.
Win vs. Northwestern, although I could easily see this being the game that Northwestern miraculously gets back on track and becomes an offensive juggernaut once again.
Loss vs. Iowa, Iowa's not that good but we can't beat anyone of any substance on the road.
Loss vs. OSU, this one could get extremely ugly. Urban won't hesitate for one second to hang 100 on us if he can.
8-4, Wild Wings Bowl vs. probably TCU or Texas Tech
Beat Ohio and Nebraska... Lose to Iowa and Northwestern becuase we find ways to lose on the road, but we win in amazing fashion at home... So long 2013 season... Can we have Denard back?
What's it even matter?
...sad to say.
L- M will lose to OSU yet be competetive owing to the rivalry and being at home. Iowa is a tough place to play and they seem to be fairly stout on D.
W - Nebraska is comparably confused and we get em' at home, NW is in a tailspin with less than rabid fans.
Assuming we lose to OSU this year, Hoke will be 1-2 vs MSU and 0-2 vs. Meyer heading into road games against both next year.
If Gardner's injury is serious, then you can write it all off. He's also a lot less likely to be in Notre Dame form that banged up even if he does play. He looked one or two steps slower than in previous weeks on every scramble today.
of Gardner's injury? I pretty much abandoned the game with 4 minutes left but overheard the TV guys mentioning "injury" a couple plays into Shane Morris's mop-up duty.
I see, too, that the thread has been deleted about whether or not DG is a legit QB---was hoping to peek at it to see what it said re: his injury, but I'm too late.
2 - 2 is the best with him "healthy". I don't want to think about what it would be like with Morris as QB. No New Years Bowl game is very likely. Incredibly disappointed in this staff and upper classmen.
2 - 2 is the best with him "healthy". I don't want to think about what it would be like with Morris as QB. No New Years Bowl game is very likely. Incredibly disappointed in this staff and upper classmen.
Playing for pride is a loser mentality. When former players call out the gameplan you KNOW there are real issues. This staff is struggling and its very obvious.
The apologists and morons...guess what? While we are going 8-5 back to back years, Ohio will be going undefeated in back to back years. Let that sink in for a second.
Meyer being 21-0 at OSU is insane(hurts to say), especially considering he didn't have time or bother to bring in his own coaching staff. Regardless of competition, 21 consecutive wins is nuts.
Is Michigan fans accepting mediocrity as long as it comes with a Michigan man. Brady is what he is, nothing more. And as long as he is here, it will be 7, 8 maybe a 9 or 10 win year thrown in once in a while, but he does not coach up talent. Recruits will realize this. (I'm sure a few already have) And we will still get a few big names, but they won't ever scratch the surface of getting to the level that names like Meyer, saban or fisher would get them to. If we wanted more, we would have brought in miles, or made sure harbaugh said yes. But the longer we experiment with mid level names being able to bring us back to glory, the longer we will be mediocre and in a worse way than Notre dame.
we are a desirable spot for a big name coach now ? We could not get Harbaugh to come here, and I cannot see anybody big coming to a team that is failing in a piss poor conference, where RR was treated so badly by the boosters when he was not ian instant winner. The problem goes back to keeping Lloyd Carr way too long and letting OSU get sooooo far ahead that it will now take 5-10 years minimum to get to relevancy. Who would come here ? We as Michigan men think that people will jump at the chance to come here. We are deluded in our self importance. Something has to change before anybody but a BIG risk coach at a small school would come.
we are a desirable spot for a big name coach now ? We could not get Harbaugh to come here, and I cannot see anybody big coming to a team that is failing in a piss poor conference, where RR was treated so badly by the boosters because he was not an instant winner. The problem goes back to keeping Lloyd Carr way too long and letting OSU get sooooo far ahead that it will now take 5-10 years minimum to get to relevancy. Who would come here ? We as Michigan men think that people will jump at the chance to come here. We are deluded in our self importance. Something has to change before anybody but a BIG risk coach at a small school would come.
He went to the NFL instead, get a clue. You guys all act as if there is some quick action to be taken that will magically fix things.....ain't going to happen, we are just going to have to wait and see.
Ohio has played four teams with a pulse and three of the games were pretty competitive.
Who the fuck cares?? Our schedule is no fucking different, we struggled against Akron and UConn..let that sink in! And we're struggling to get to 8 win seasons. Jesus Christ I'm so fucking sick of the people on this baord downgrading every opponent we have that for the past 6 years has been kicking our ass!
What's your point? We have played a similar schedule.
You're exactly right, but no one ever wants to say it. We'd kill to be 21-0 over the past 2 3/4 seasons...no matter who we played.
Northwestern is reelling.
Those are both must wins.
Nebraska has a ton of issues right now. porous defense. hot seat coach.
that is also a must win.
anything less than 3-1 is a failure.
I wish your screen name was our coach. Sigh...
Who cares? The season ended tonight. So did Michigans hope of being a BIG player in the BIG as well as Nationally.
Figured this would be the reaction I will wait until the board in general sobers up!!! See you all Thursday
I just tried that at home and instead of breaking down the door, I broke my foot and gashed my forearm, now needing stitches.
Sorry bro! and you know what the worst part of that is? We still suck.
I said prior to this if we lost I see us going flat and losing 3-4. Iowa should be the win.
I think the guys will respond to this by giving it everything that they've got. They are going to play with passion from here out. It won't be enough against OSU. But we match up against everybody else who is left pretty well.
Iowa has a good defensive front that will challenge us up the middle again but if we win 3 one of the wins will be Iowa, not Ohio.
We know what all the remaining teams are going to do we just don't kniow if we can stop it against the better fronts.
but the coaching has been just plain aweful and that would have to change too. i see no chance of the coaching suddenly working. if the recruits start bailing, look out. RR may not look so bad.
2-2. They will beat Iowa in a frustrating manner and then beat either Nebraska or NW while losing to Ohio State. Then lose a January 1 bowl against an SEC team.
Hahahahaha good fucking luck. They beat penn state by 7 touchdowns...
Losses coming to OSU and maybe Nebraska
I don't care.
Was that the right answer?
It isn't this board is too bipolar.
The only thing I can compare it to is NY Knick fans. Every move the coach makes is wrong and its amazing how many expert O-line coaches their are on here who are sure they could fix the problem.
This is so dumb.
Let's say that our team is 5-0, and we have people like you going, "THIS SEASON IS A DISAPPOINTMENT! ANYONE IS DISAGREES WITH ME IS SO DUMB! LOL!"
Then we have sane people going, "Dude, we're 5-0, this season is not a disappointment. Relax."
Next, the team loses 5 games in a row so they're 5-5, and then you come in, "SEE! LOL! HATERZ! WHERE U @ NOW! WHERE ALL DEM FOOLS AT TALKIN BOUT THIS WASN'T A DISAPPOINTMENT!"
Then we have the sane people going, "Well, it is now that we've lost 5 games in a row, dummy, but back when we were 5-0 or even 5-1, it wasn't a disappointment."
You're like a dude who comes running up to me and says, "TheLastHoke! TheLastHoke! My house is on fire!"
So I go over to your house and there is no fire to be found, and I'm like, "Dude, there is no fire."
So then you say you're right, I'm wrong. I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. You call the fire department, and they show up. "No signs of a fire here, sir." You call them stupid, and say they're wrong.
Then 2 weeks later you come running back to me again, "TheLastHoke! TheLastHoke! My house is on fire!"
So I go over to your house and see that it is indeed on fire, and I'm like, "Holy shit, man. Your house is on fire!"
Then somehow you feel smug and validated, that you were right all along, and you don't understand why that's just totally incorrect, faulty logic.
Not sure if it matters. Hopefully win them all haha
If we won out to finish 10-2 with a win over Ohio (not saying I think we will, but if we did), I would be very happy.
If we lose out to finish 6-6 then obviously that would be a huge disappointment.
The loss today was disappionting, sure. But it doesn't make the rest of the season irrelevant.
We are lucky if we win another game. We celebrate if we beat michigan tech in hockey. Seriously, is this what we've become??
Losses to Nebraska or Iowa, Ohio State. Not that it matters anyway since any chance of reaching the BIG 10 title game is now gone.
Beat Ohio State. We will. Yes. We will.
yes, you are a troll
Every game on the road and get absolutely demolished by osu
Beat Northwestern, lose to Nebraska, Ohio and Iowa
I don't expect any more than that, but I very much hope to be wrong.
After the PSU game, on a similar thread, I predicted we would go 2-4 the rest of the way, with a by the skin of our teeth win against Indiana and a thrashing of Iowa. So far, I've been spot on, so I'm not going to change my stance for the sake of continuity.
What I will say though is that even though my opinion of this team is even less than what it was a few weeks ago, I will submit a secondary prediction of 3-3, as the likelihood we beat NW now is very high.
It's amazing how the wheels have fallen off at Northwestern. They are now 4-5. Unfortunately Northwestern now has a bye week and will probably be super motivated for their game against us because they need two more wins to reach a bowl game.
With this board I will however let the door hit me on the way out.... I like it rough
If you like it rough, why don't you stay a bit. There's nothing like some hardcore wallowing in our own filth Mgoboard style the week after a loss...
Michigan stadium will be 50/50 osu fans come gameday...book it.
That sucked 4 years ago.
1-3. Likely win against Nebraska but I'd say we are 50/50 odds vs Iowa.
The weather in this game really hurt us, more than it did them based on their strengths and our weaknesses.
The D-line played pretty well. I thought the O-line wasn't too bad. As I recall it was 16-6 at the end of the 3rd and we had several shots to have an additional 11 points - would have been an even game at that point.
MSU won that game because of their D-backs, they made about 5 more plays than we did (how many balls did we drop?) and I think Gardner is late on his throws almost all the time.
We'll be fine - how many seniors are graduating that we'll really miss? I think it's only Lewan, Schofield, and Gallon. I'll take my chances with the kids coming in.
Besides, Nadruzzi is about to get poached (who stays at State?) so that problem will get solved shortly.
Did you just say the Oline...didnt...do...so...bad? OMG, free stand up at its finest here. Sorry dude you are delusional.
Both teams played in the same stuff. One was prepared. One wasn't.
I'm pretty sure you did not watch the same game as I did. Not only is our Oline absolutely terrible, but they had what was pretty obviously their far and away worst game of the season.
As for the weather, no, just no. If it affected us more than them, it's because our coaches didn't prepare them enough. And if coaches of a team based in Michigan don't know how the prepare their players to play in Michigan fall weather, you can bet their are bigger things those coaches aren't doing right during the week.
Did you actually just say the o-line and d-line didn't play that bad, and blame Gardner who took a literal beating in the same post, after a 29-6 loss? The d-line generated very little pressure all game, and the o-line was bad enough to set all the all-time worse rushing performance in school history.
Also you downplay losing three of your best players, as if it is no big deal, as the cherry on top.
Worst rushing total in the history of the program and 7 sack = not too bad?
Until we finally get an O Line that can block our O will continue to be horrid. That sequence where Gardner was sacked three straight times was unreal. There was no physicalness on our part.
Let's see we play @ Iowa= L @ NW= L home vs Nebraska= win home vs OSU = Win. So 2-2 until this team can win big games on the road I will go into that game expecting an L.
Michigan finishes 6-6 (2-6 in B1G), goes to the Texas Bowl in Houston's Reliant Stadium on December 27 against the Big 12's sixth pick (Kansas State or West Virginia) and gets an upset win on Brendan Gibbons' last-second field goal. . . . Taylor Lewan is not named to any of the All-American First Teams, but he’s invited to the Senior Bowl and declines the invitation on advice of his agent. . . . Jeremy Gallon and Jibreel Black are invited to play in the East-West Shrine Game. . . . Michael Schofield and Brendan Gibbons are invited to play in the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. . . . No other Michigan seniors are invited to play in any post-season all-star games. . . . In January, former All-State goalie Jareth Glanda is added to the hockey team as a reserve goalie. . . . At least one member of Michigan’s 2014 recruting class de-commits, and neither Da’Shawn Hand nor Malik McDowell signs with Michigan. . . . Dave Brandon issues a stern warning to Brady Hoke and quietly begins the precautionary search for a new head coach to replace Hoke, if Michigan does not play in a 2015 BCS bowl game or win at least ten games next season.
And that's the Extreme Pessimist report for Saturday, November 2, 2013. Good Night, Good Luck and Don't Forget To Turn Your Clocks Back To 1997.
(On days like today, I should be grateful that I'm a Red Sox fan.)
That was pretty positive.
A young O-line played against a damn good defense. Failed pretty badly. Is that expected? Somewhat, but the good news is that we probably won't see a defense like that this year. Defense played pretty well, missed key opportunities that came back to bite us. Offense was not terrible, but not horrendous against a spectacular D. @Iowa will be close, but a W. Vs. Nebraska- battle for 2nd place. W @NW- they look like a saltwater fish in freshwater W. Vs Ohio- did you see what the score against Penn State was?- L
Take a breath. 9-3 is not that bad. We aren't losing many impact seniors, and getting several impact freshman as Hoke has a year to implement his system.
...explain to me what 'system' Hoke is employing?!?!
losing impact players. One is named Lewan. The second is named Schofield. Wow, we are headed for a real disaster on the OL if these young guys cannot be coached up to their potential.
We finish with W's over Nebraska, Iowa and Northwestern. We lose our asses to osu. We finish a fake 9-3. Make a central florida bowl and lose our ass again. Borges and Funk keep their jobs in the offseason and it costs Hoke his job two years from now. Predictable. Extremely predictable.
Mostly because that would be more fun than 2-4 losses. Even intentionally over-optimistic, M fanboi me (no apologies) can't see us going 4-0.
Road losses x 2. Lose to Ohio.
This team is so fragile and we can't win on the road to save our ass. It's a sad time to be a Michigan fan.
Against Michigan state. All of the graphics during the game showed state's D next to alabama, FSU, etc. Those are elite defenses. A patchwork OLine against alabama-caliber guys? What did we expect? Indiana results? Hoke's first quality recruiting classes are coming up now. Give them time.
We have an attitude problem. Specifically, we have a confidence problem. Where is the leadership? One of the few plays I caught live today was Lewan being a hothead like he is prone to do and cost the team 15 yards.
I don't see the identity crisis of this team being fixed by seasons end.
It is a serious problem, and will not be fixed by this coaching staff. We need a head coach not a cheerleader. I like Hoke, but these teams lack leadership. Michigan has not been improving week to week. It has been a conspicuous lack of improvement. Hoke talks about winning championships, he seems to recruit pretty well, and we all know Mattison is a great DC. They're just not getting it done on the field. Bo's teams, and even Lloyd's showed improvement each week. It's not happening with Hoke. Something has to change.
Oregon or even OSU will shred them. They will be blown out. They just happened to play a very bad Michigan team that could barely beat Akron and UCONN. We also let a lousy PSU team beat us. So to say they have a stellar defense is a bit of a stretch!
Not happening but if I am a former CEO which shockingly I am not. I call Mr Harbaugh and ask him to name his price. I really do like hoke but we are now looking at 6/7 bad seasons. Lloyd last season, all 3 rr seasons, and now 2 out 3 hokes seasons. I know it's college and it takes time to recover from previous regime mistakes but fuck.
Everyone wants to blame Borges but it it's hoke that keeps letting the same shit occur. We get a huge pick but on 2nd and 15 we call play action despite having minus 30 yards rushing. WTF? They should have paid the 20m Harbaugh wanted then, now it will take 30m
For all those that claim this is overreacting, we almost lost to the worst two schools in college football in consecutive weeks. Now we have lost to msu 5/6 times. Michigan football as we once knew it is dead. Come home Jimmy, save us
I was hoping JH wanted to coach college ball and would have been our next coach. I expect him to win a superbowl with SF, get bored then coach the Lion's in 10 years. He will try to get the Lion's to the superbowl but this will break him. He will be fired as Lion's coach in 2027 and then Michigan will hire him. He will turn the team around from the Hoke and Miles disasters. Then we will be NC for 10 years from 2029 through 2039. JH will then become our AD and find a great coach to replace himself.
Would have loved to win, but realistically had to know that we're not at the same level. So given that ... this game virtually ensured that my worst nightmare (losing to Ohio two weeks in a row) will not happen. I am grateful for that at least.
Also, I'd like to see State play Ohio. I think they could take them on a neutral field.
Not in a right state of mind to predict what happens with us the rest of the year.
that is all
But we aren't good enough to beat anyone else on the schedule.
Win out except for Ohio State.
Damn I want to say 2-2 because we are playing some teams that play to our defensive strengths. Sadly we are so turnover prone I have to say 1-3 and we'll lose 2 because of that whether the play calling improves or not.
We all know who the 1 will be.
Michigan won't be facing the 85 Bears defense again for the rest of the season. Believe it or not, Nebraska and NW have more issues than the Wolverines do.
I think we lose to Iowa and OSU. In fact, seeing this team play the past 6 weeks, I think we'll get a beatdown of epic proportions from OSU. It doesn't matter that we're at home this time. Ugh. I need a pick-me-up and fast.
We'll win a couple and lose a couple. That's how this team rolls. It's inconsistent.
Another 8-5 year (assuming we play this way in a bowl game).
The NE comeback last second win will probably help them while our dismal loss will probably hurt us. I could see the NE game being close but some dumb play will give NE a last second FG to win it at the Big House. The team doesn't play well on the road, so IA and NW will probably be losses. OSU will crush us at home. Oh well, wait til next season and just hope things can improve? I'm starting to doubt this staff. Next year will not be easy with road games at ND, MSU and OSU. I use to be optimistic until this dismal season. I think Hoke will get through 2016 to prove himself and hopefully the talent and experience will come together to help us finally win a B1G?
1-3 at best. MSU loses a very close B1G championship to OSU. Michigan wins a boring bowl game by 3 somewhere and the fanbase starts talking about next year with the recruits we have coming in.
Full Disclosure...I went to THE Ohio State University
This is a bad football team, however I don't blame Brady Hoke, he'll turn it around eventually. I would blame the AD responsible for hiring DickRod....and DickRod. He set your program back 10 years. He had no respect for your tradition, vacated any semblence for what was traditionally Michigan football (Pro style, drop back passers, big recievers, I-Formation running, 50/50 offensive ballance, and tough D) and replaced it with a spread offense and NO DEFENSE...NONE....like he didn't know you even had to play defense.
Due to his recruituing, and lack of respect for the tradions of your program, many of the players currently at U of M are not a fit for what Brady Hoke is trying to accomplish. It's going to take him 3-5 years to undo the damage of the DickRod years.
While many people criticized Tressel for having a conservative offense,people forget he was a "chameleon" offensively. When he had a big running back and a drop back passer he ran more of a pro style, drop back offense (Krenzel and Clarett, etc...); he ran a lot of wide open spread style offensive packages when he had Troy Smith, Teddy Ginn, Jr., Anthony Gonzalez etc...same for when he finally started to trust Pryor with the football...while still maintaining tradional OSU balance running the football.
Meyer has been able to turn the offense around because despite Tressel being conservative, he was at least recruiting players that fit with Urban's offensive system.
I miss U of M being a good team, the B1G needs them to be nationally relavent again; OSU needs them to be nationally relavent again. However, "The Game" this year should not be close, and unfortunately for U of M, Urban and company might have to try and hang 70 on your D...and not to be disrespectful, but to make a statement to the BCS, which currently has us 4th due to a lack of respect for anyone in the B1G.
I don't get how Hoke kept saying 'Win Big Ten Championships' when we can't even win our division first. i hope this embarassing loss to State really gave them a lesson.(After Akron, Uncon, and PSU)
As a UM grad, win against rivals is the most important thing to me. I cannot accept we just win home games and lose the rest.