Anybody know any good websites or books that detail the history of this rivalry? Any help would be appreciated. 6 page paper due Wednesday. Thank you
sounds like a fun paper
Could be diary material...your helpful friends would probably like to see the final product.
This information should not be hard to find.
I need in-depth details so I can cite the sources.
if you're on a university server, you should have access to the archives of the nyt, wa post and la times. might be interesting to see how and when non local papers began covering the game as a major rivalry.
Your information is not helpful.
it's a osu.edu link, but don't worry, it links to umich.edu sources as well.
Yes in 2 days
I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
Actually, I've wrote many a 5-6 page in the last few days. Nothing like deadline pressure to break the writters block.
What class is that? good lord... i need to enroll
English 1020, my professor is a Buckeye graduate
make sure your professor knows that the Michigan marching band created the script Ohio. that fact bugs every buckeye that i've told, if they believe me in the first place. i usually have to send the link to the website to prove it.
Good one, definetly getting that source
We came in with a scripted Ohio. They did the actual spelling Ohio thing.
it still took them 4 years to do it on their own (check that, but I think the MMB did it in '32, and they did it the first time in '36)
the MMB created a block letter O-H-I-O. The OSU band created the script version.
ST SESSION H. RES. 460
Congratulating The Ohio State University and the University of Michigan
on the 100th football game between the two teams and recognizing
their rivalry as the greatest sports rivalry in history.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
OVEMBER 20, 2003
ONES of Ohio (for herself, Ms. PRYCE of Ohio, Mr. DINGELL, Mr.
IBERI, Mr. TURNER of Ohio, Mr. OXLEY, Mr. GILLMOR, Mr. STRICKLAND,
APTUR, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. BROWN of Ohio, Mr.
ATOURETTE, Mr. RYAN of Ohio, Mr. NEY, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. UPTON,
ILLER of Michigan, Mr. PORTMAN, Mr. LEVIN, Ms. KILPATRICK,
ONYERS, Mr. MCCOTTER, Mr. HOBSON, and Mr. FORD) submitted
the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Education
and the Workforce
Congratulating The Ohio State University and the University
of Michigan on the 100th football game between the
two teams and recognizing their rivalry as the greatest
sports rivalry in history.
Whereas The Ohio State University and the University of
Michigan began their football rivalry in 1897 when the
Michigan Wolverines defeated the Ohio State Buckeyes
by a score of 34 to 0 in Ann Arbor, Michigan;
Nice, thank you the paper is coming out great
This sounds great - I love the history of the Michigan-Ohio rivalry.
If you really want to take it back to the beginning, the roots obviously run through the Toledo War (when the Michigan militia was quartered in Ann Arbor, and the Ohio militia in Columbus), and the leader of Michigan's Militia, "Boy Governor" Mason, who's still the youngest state governor in American history, and who also made the monumentous decision to move the University from a cramped location in Detroit to the spatious lands in Ann Arbor. Supposedly the ragged Ohio militia came back saying "those damn men fight like Wolverines!" Good stuff.
If you REALLY want to take it back (which I don't entirely recommend for a paper), the earliest cause predates the history of the United States by 26 years, when the Lord of Halifax commisioned John Mitchell to draw up a map of the British and French colonies, famously messing up the location of Toledo to Lake Erie, which led to Ohio incorrectly claiming the land when it became a state. Honestly, the Michigan-Ohio rivalry has such a great history - and this is without even getting into football!
Ten year war. Enough said.
Here, I think you dropped this...
This is a good place to start.
The 100-Yard War: Inside the 100-Year Old Michigan-Ohio State Football Rivalry by Greg Emmanuel (book). Might be a little much for Wednesday, but a good read nonetheless.
Don't know if this will help with your paper or not, but I saw an old MGoBlog post and found it interesting
Breaks down how each team did in their next 25 games after Bo and Woody passed. We were 12-13 and they were 12-12-2. Some of it was because of a certain coach being hired, but even that, we were 11-0 and then lost our next 4 games after Bo's passing. Ohio and USC in the '06 season, and then obviously I don't need to tell you how '07 started.
War as they knew it. It's about Bo and Woody. Also, I've read the 100 yard war. That one has a lot of good information in it, too. There are some tidbits about the rivalry in If These Walls Could Talk by John Falk and in Bo's Lasting Lessons by Bo and John Bacon.
Just make sure to disregard the author on that first suggestion.
War As They Knew It. Don't take my word for it. Look at the reviews at Amazon.com.
I appreciate all the feedback from everyone, 2 pages finished, I have 4 pages to go. Thank you
wikipedia, google, research the war over toledo between michigan and ohio i think what 1817 ????
watch that hbo special on the rivalry, that provides good stuff also
Michigan dominated early
then Ohio did for a little bit
the 10 year war
and then since the 10 year war til now
Make sure you go back far enough in history and geography to understand the many sources of conflict in the rivalry—some of it stemming from the long history of thievery in Ohio. Such thievery goes way beyond that of Tressell, who is said to have essentially “stolen” lottery prizes from unheralded recruits and to have stolen recruits from other schools with free cars and pay for no-show jobs. Indeed, it goes beyond the accusations of Dantonio and Beliema, who accused Meyer of being unethical in the way he stole recruits from them.
In fact, thievery has a rich tradition in Ohio.
In a now infamous Michigan-Ohio border dispute, Ohioans stole the port of Toledo from Michigan and even tried to block Michigan’s statehood to achieve their evil ends. Indeed, not only did Ohioans steal Toledo from Michigan—they actually stole the name of Toledo from Spain.
Yes, just think about it for a minute.....Ohio has for centuries been an international den of thieves, who have stolen names from cities all over the world. Consider just a few of the names of Ohio cities:
Dublin: an Irish town founded as a Viking settlement, which became the island's principal city following the Norman invasion. (I guess that it when the Oklahoma Sooners came to town for a home-and-home)
Avon: stolen from Stratford-on-Avon, the home of a playwright who rediscovered in the modern world of drama, who may be the greatest writer ever , and who now even has his own site on facebook*
Athens: stolen from Greece (also turned the names of Greek senators into mascots, such as “Brutus”)
I could go on and name countless other stolen city names: eg Sidney: misspelled and then stolen from Sydney, Australia; Toronto: stolen from a Canadian city that was ransacked in the Battle of York; (East) Liverpool: stolen from a metropolitan borough east of the Mersey Estuary in England….as well as other cities from Cambridge to London to Oxford to Lima, Peru and Geneva, Switzerland, and Medina: the second holiest site in Islam, lying in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia …..
Besides, not only has this unholy state—Ohio—stolen the holiest names of international cities: they have stolen for their cities the names of US states, like Oregon, and Canadian provinces, such as Ontario, as well as large swaths of the entire world. They have stolen for their cities the names of holy regions, such as (East) Palestine from the middle east,, Madeira from the European Union, Macedonia from the Balkans, Troy from the Greeks, and Lebanon from the region between the Mediterranean Basin and the Arabian hinterland—the only known area to have been ravaged by as many battles as Toledo, at the border of Ohio and Michigan
Now, some bonehead will probably try to list names that Michigan, Massachusetts, and other states have stolen from other cities and then claim:
”Everybody does it.”
“Every body steals”.
and, in the words of Terrelle Pryor, “Everybody Murders” too.
…to which I say: “that does not make it OK.”
Just give that flimsy excuse to the tough-as-nails NCAA, which-- while giving only lip service to more serious offenses-- has for decades punished schools severely for stealing native-American names for their mascots.
….So, go ahead....search deeply...and be sure to include in your history of the rivalry an expose of thievery in Ohio
....then I’ll be waiting patiently for that NCAA hammer to come down.
revered traditions, dotting of script Ohio, was stolen from the MMB.
My personal favorite example is that of Lasker, N.C. named in honor of the 49thstate to join the union...
Fielding H Yost and the building of Michigan Stadium by Robert M. Soderstrom has some good background on the early days of the rivalry and how it became an important Big Ten rivalry.
Also, the AD website has some good stuff.
I am impressed that you are starting the paper on Monday, instead of Tuesday night
College Students = Maturity
I wish I could have chosen that topic for my high school senior research paper. I would've been done in a day. Instead I got the opportunity to explore the duties of Ulysses S. Grant's wife.
My little cousin Timmy has leukemia and I told him about your paper and he just had one request, which I hope you'll grant. He said:
"Please, Mister, don't call it "Ohio" in your paper. Just use the regular name of the school. Calling it "Ohio" is the stupidest fucking thing ever."
You can use the resources from MLibraries. Here is a link to a search for Michigan Ohio State football Rivalry - This includes all formats. You can limit to electronic resources - which might be good since it is due tomorrow:
Here is the same search limited by magazines - which can provide some good material:
Good luck on your research.
I believe Terelle Pryor wrote a groundbreaking research paper not long ago. I'd look into that.
If you're so inclined, please post when you're done. I don't have any particularly helpful links for you, but if you're feeling proud once you're all done and you're willing to share, please post it here. I'm sure I speak for the rest of the board when I say a freshly-minted piece on The Rivalry is always a great read.