Report: Urban Meyer to Ohio done
November 18th, 2011 at 10:04 AM ^
Here are my reasons:
1. In 2007, Les Miles "was going" to Michigan
2. In 2007, Greg Schiano "was going" to Michigan
3. In 2010, Jim Harbaugh "was going" to Michigan
4. In 2010, Les Miles "was going again" to Michigan
and the clincher...
5. In 2005, Urban Meyer was actually going to Notre Dame, and then he changed his mind
All this suggests you can't put much stock in rumor reporting, however plausible they seem.
Meyer is a finnicky guy, prone to major voltes-face. He left Florida for health reasons, for stress reasons and because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Is going into a C-Bus hothouse really going address any of those things? No. No, it's really not at all. Plus Ohio has reduced its own scholarships already, and is likely to see more limitations imposed by the NCAA. Urban Meyer is not Lane Kiffin. Urban Meyer is not Brady Hoke. This is not his "dream job," because he doesn't have one like those guys do. It is "a logical destination job," and one of several.
So ask yourself: if you were Meyer, would you rather step in to gimpy, sanctioned Ohio with its angry "10+wins a year plus Michigan or you suck" fanbase, or to PSU's not sanctioned program with its "we haven't actually been that good for years so we're happy with 8+ wins, plus we're still embarrassed about how things ended with the last guy so we'll give you space" fanbase?
My money is on a flirtation with Ohio, followed by an announcement that Meyer's headed to Happy Valley.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:46 AM ^
November 18th, 2011 at 10:55 AM ^
These crimes that Sandusky commited have NOTHING to do with the actual footbal program. Many people think PSU should be put on probation or get a failure to monitor charge or LOIC, but that can't happen and won't happen. As far as we know, there were no bylaws broken with this Sandusky stuff. He broke criminal laws, not NCAA bylaws. Big difference.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^
The answer is: none.
Yes it's measurably worse than Tatgate by virtually any ethical and moral standard, but it's not an NCAA problem. Ergo, it can be "fixed" by firing all the right(wrong) people.
Is this how things should work? No. Is it how they actually work? Yes.
Meyer can come in as a savior, and the pressure is off. All he has to do is win a reasonable number of games and not hire any kiddly-fiddlers, and he'll get as much time as he needs to rest off the migraines and go see his kid play baseball.
That's not gonna happen at Ohio.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
Probably not true, but if so, bring it on.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^
I think Desmond should break the story...for the benefit of all football everywhere....of course I don't believe a word of this but still....
November 18th, 2011 at 10:29 AM ^
Jason from 11w seems pretty sure about this to me:
http://twitter.com/#!/elevenwarriors
"Went to bed feeling pretty certain about Urban Meyer becoming the next OSU coach. Will just say we are even more certain now"
November 18th, 2011 at 10:37 AM ^
I wonder which Urban Meyer gets hired the one from Utah who ran a nice little offense or the one from Florida who quit twice in his last 2 years. Looking forward to see if Michigan can make his daughters dream come true and re - retire her Daddy a.s.a.p
plus she's hot (she's the one on the left)
November 18th, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^
...that girl is freaking hot.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
"He said he wanted to spend time with his family" and "He has stress issues" excuses for Urban NOT taking the job: there is no way in hell Urban expected this job to be available in 2011.
Not a chance.
My gut is that Urban wanted the OSU job all along, but knew Tressel would be around a good 2-4 more years. I think he used the health and family excuses as an out to take some time off before taking the job he REALLY wanted at OSU. I think he was feeling he would be recharged enough to take the job at that time.
But because the job is open RIGHT NOW, and won't be for the forseeable future, Urban probably thinks he needs to pounce on it.
The hypocrite cries from opposing fanbases will be loud, and somewhat deserved.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:53 AM ^
If Urban Meyer goes there, I doubt his health will allow him to last. It's good for the Big Ten to have big name coaches and it's good for competition.
What has been preventing Michigan from beating Ohio was Michigan (and Ohio's cheating). I'm confident in our coaches and players and am not really concerned about what Ohio does. Time to be an armadillo...
November 18th, 2011 at 11:15 AM ^
Ohio State fan told me everything was fine because Ohio State self-sanctioned themselves. Pretending like last season enver happened isn't punishment enough for Tattoo-gate.
Wonder what sanctions OSU will receive , and whether they will deter star coaches from going to OSU
November 18th, 2011 at 11:16 AM ^
November 18th, 2011 at 11:30 AM ^
Luke knew he was head coach for one year only. He's a great Buckeye and will be a great head coach, just not ready for the OSU quite yet. This year was a great little internship for him though. Some rumors flying that he's heading to Illinois, which I doubt highly.
But, regardless, any hiring by OSU would have been discussed with Luke first. I'm in the camp that wants Luke to stick around and be the HC sometime down the road when he's ready, because I like the guy, he recruits well, and is a great coach. Just not quite ready to be our head coach. I think there Urban and Gene Smith would at least talk to Luke about the possibility of staying around as an assistant.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:29 AM ^
Thank you. Have a nice day.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^
I care so little about your level of care, that I decided to comment about it.
November 18th, 2011 at 4:47 PM ^
about YOUR level of care that I will NOT comment about it. thank you.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^
We've already beat Urban when he had Tebow. Bring it on Urban.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:36 AM ^
So a different team, with the same coach would obviously also lose to the same team with a different coach? So does the coach matter, or is it the team? Cuz then I'd have to point out that you've struggled against a certain team for the last 10 yrs, but maybe that was the coach?
November 18th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
I just couldn't resist trying to use logic on a poster with such an ironic screenname.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
I'm not sure I follow your logic. What I'm saying is he's a fine coach and but he's beatable. The one team to beat him in a bowl just so happens to be Michigan and Urban was fielding a very fine outfit on that day: plenty of talent, defending National Champions. Make of that what you wish.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:25 PM ^
You said Michigan (as a team) has beaten Urban (as a coach) before. Therefore you were logically suggesting you would do it again. So I was saying, it is because your team, with a new coach now, is more important to the fact that you won than the who is coaching, because now Urban would be coaching a team that has beaten Michigan 9 of the last 10 times, but then I suggested jokingly that maybe it was because of the coach (Tressel).
November 18th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^
point out it's not the same team with a different coach as you suggest but it's a different team with a different coach. I also recall that you struggled the 10 years prior to that. Was that the coach or the team? I say coach. Point is we don't know how Hoke would fare against Meyer but I would say that having his former DC is a plus not only on the field but in the living room.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:43 PM ^
I was just saying it's ridiculous to say one game in 2005 against Urban means you can beat Urban at OSU too, but I realize at least some ppl saying on it here were joking.
Anyway. Mattison is a force, he was a great get for you guys. Recruiting all the guy has to do for a young high school LB is hold up a picture of Ray Lewis and nod his head.
November 18th, 2011 at 3:06 PM ^
doesn't hurt that Borges has had some success against Urban Meyer teams.
P.S. - It was the 2008 in the Capital One Bowl.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
Don't think this is true as of right now. Meyer just said after JoePa said he was retiring that he wasn't interested in coaching jobs. I don't think anything happens until after the NCAA gives their final sanctions. He very well end up being the coach there but oh well. OSU is a good program adn they'll probably have a good coach and good players no matter what. Can't expect them to hire a coach that will put them in an abyss for a couple years like we did.
November 18th, 2011 at 11:57 AM ^
This would be an absolutel coup for Ohio if they pull this off. After Saban, Meyer is probably the best coach in college football and we'd all have been going nuts had we been able to land him. All this talk about him never beating Michigan sounds a lot like OSU saying Cooper had beaten Michigan in a bowl game.
This is bad for MIchigan all the way around unless Hoke can live up to the challenge. So far so good, hopefully Mattison can counter Urban's recruiting.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:00 PM ^
Apparently, what's happened is that some troll tweeted falsely that "Rivals and Scout" were reporting Meyer to OSU (which they were not), and then in the crazy world of Twitter, that bogus line keeps getting retweeted.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:04 PM ^
I believe, as of today, this is true. There are too many independent sources, ones who are not prone to exaggerate (and who don't often agree), saying the same thing.
That doesn't mean things won't break down before an announcement (change of heart, NCAA ruling, etc), but these aren't just made up twitter rumors.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:20 PM ^
I couldn't have said it better, so I'll just this so hard it.
This, so hard.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
The timing of this seems off to me, which has me doubting it. Would you really lame duck your coaching staff 8 days before The Game? Create all of the "which coaches will still have jobs", "which players may transfer", etc. questions running around the media, campus, and locker room during the week of The Game? Don't think anything will truly happen until after the regular season.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^
worked out so Urban can be at the halftime of the Duke game Nov. 29.
November 18th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
before all the NCAA investigations have completely run their course?
November 18th, 2011 at 1:05 PM ^
Because even the worst prospectus has us getting hammered for a maximum of 3yrs, which would be a typically coaching transition period anyway. If he signs a 5yr deal now, he'll be done with sanctions and have his recruits by Yr 4.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^
Would Urban Meyer go somewhere he'd have to be 3 yrs delayed before going to bowls or playing for championships? Dude could go to Ole Miss and start it up beginning of year two with his name and talent.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Because this is his dream job, returning home to coach where he learned how to coach.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:33 PM ^
I mean, it's his home, yeah, but he spent more time at Colorado State than he did at Ohio. I don't know about "learning how to coach."
November 18th, 2011 at 1:44 PM ^
Well I also don't know about it taking him less than 2-3yrs to get started anywhere.
But also, I think it's less about where you spend the most time vs. where you started out. It's not like he was coaching in Ohio for only a few months either. He's definitely apart of the OSU coaching tree.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
Just curious, did Meyer ever say OSU was his dream job? I hear that constantly down here and I have no idea where it originated from. I thought Harbaugh would consider Michigan his dream job.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:30 PM ^
So you're saying it's possible that it's just an..."Urban Myth"
November 18th, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^
I've said from day 1, I'll believe it when I see it. The whole Clarett situation taught me that.
The NCAA? You mean the same NCAA that issued a bullshit punishment to make sure OSU's best players were eligible to play in the sugar bowl so they could ensure their bowl revenue? Delaney not only lobbied for that punishment, he actually publicly took pride in his efforts after the fact.
The NCAA will eat up Urban Meyer going to OSU with a spoon. They'll issue another bullshit punishment to save face, then gladly step aside and let Urban Meyer pick up their cash cow where they left off.
We just have to hang on to this class, let Hoke and Co. do their jobs, and we'll take care of business on the field.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:22 PM ^
Cash cow? I think we have been over this several times, the NCAA doesn't make any money off football. Its all in the bball tourney, at least according to most people around this board (who would definitely know better than I).
That's not to say I don't think they will get the bare minimum punishment, but it won't be for money.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:33 PM ^
Funny you should mention that...
November 18th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^
Bruce Feldman seems to believe it as well.
If so, fine. It sucks that he will be a very good recruiter and coach, but the dude has serious health issues. If he wants to coach at 100%, which he will, he's going to have to realize that he's got another arachnoid cyst in his future, at best. He is such a good coach because he works incredibly hard, putting stress on his body.
If he really thinks one year off is enough to save him from future health scares, he's being really, really naive.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^
until I actually hear it from Meyer. Why would he agree to go to OSU now? First, NCAA has not issued its ruling. He does not know what he is getting with the program. Second, I know that he has expressed interest in the OSU job, but he just left Florida not too long because of alleged health issues (Perhaps it was for some other reason). Is he ready to jump back into the game?
November 18th, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^
It seems really childish to live in fear of another team selecting a head coach. So they get Urban Meyer... oh well. He'll give them, what, 3 years before his health forces him out again?
Hardly an earthshattering, world-domination hire. I'm sure he'll get them back to being perennial 9-11 game winners and B16 contenders, but I'm sure even with time, recruiting and not having 5 key starters suspended, just about any coach who walks into CBUS will get them back on track.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^
but if he did, any reasonable person would have to consider it the best possible hire. Certainly only time would tell but we're talking about a guy with two BCS championships, a top recruiter nationally. I totally understand the mindset of not living in fear but obviously it would put OSU in a pretty nice spot to have another 10 years of top 10 teams.