landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
is the status of their defensive line. If they're any good, we're toast.
Defense is not their strength this year.
wasn't Akron or Uconn's strength either. Or for that matter Penn State
makes me sad.
I'll give you Akron, but both Penn State and UConn have very good defensive lines, both of which were discussed before our match ups with them. Our problem with UConn was simply giving them the ball all the time (we moved it well when we kept it for ourselves) and our issue with PSU wasn't that we couldn't score, just that we couldn't run.
Nebraska has let a lot of teams run all over them. Not that I think we'll do that, just that we should be able to run it just enough to where they can't cheat on us like other teams have.
I didn't say their overall defenses were good, but they both have playmakers at DT, the one position we aren't capable of handling well. Those DTs were able to beat our terrible interior OL to get penetration which killed the running plays right off the bat.
Unless they play with 10 guys or pinky swear that they won't rush more than 3, color me concerned.
I'm glad I doublechecked before posting, I had just created an identical thread, but opened a 2nd window and saw it up.
Anyways - this bodes well for us, I feel way more confident about Saturday now. Nebraska's defense is swiss cheese, and now their offense is something we can more easily stop.
Kind of expected this... Really sucks for this to happen his senior year.
That's a huge disappointment for Martinez's senior season, but this helps Michigan significantly. I will be curious how much Michigan's -6.5 line moves this week.
Should be a repeat of 2011s 45-17 (or better) win with this news. I say should, because, well -- we've all been watching this season.
I'm glad Martinez is out. We need some good news and NEB had more than their fair share of luck vs. NW.
This actually puts some pressure on Michigan. Nebraska is not known for defense this year, so Michigan's offense should have some freedom to produce. And without Martinez on the field then Michigan's defense should be able to contain and stop the Nebraska offense.
Michigan should be able to take care of business this Saturday. Let's see if they do.
perhaps he can find some solace knowing that most Michigan fans will still be sporting their dong slings from the MSU game.
this sucks....I was hoping to see some sweet arm punts
I feel confident that this will be our last win of the season. I'll lay the 7 points. Nebraska's defense is the only unit that looks as poorly coached to me as our offense, and we have seen that our offense is capable of getting big plays and scoring points against bad defenses at home. Their offense is pretty inconsistent and I think that they lost a starting guard against NW as well. A loss to anyone wouldn't shock me at this point, but a repeat of the 2011 game wouldn't surprise me either. I have been looking to this game since the beginning of the season as being very favorable, matchup-wise, for us. I can say that the Nebraska fans that I know all expect us to win. If you get into a conversation with a Nebraska fan about our football teams it is like a game of one-upsmanship to see who can be more gloomy and doomy.
You don't think we can beat an NW team that hasn't won since September? (I know, it's a road game, but it's really more like a neutral site when we play there.)
Guess we'll see what our seniors are made of
You feel confident that we're going to lose to a Northwestern team that's literally come apart at the seams so badly they're putting blood on their special uniforms? That seems like a bold and entirely silly prediction.
It is a rather mediocre squad. In fact, the next three opponents are mediocre. Of course, so was Penn State.
Iowa is underrated.
I know everyone was thrown for a loop against MSU, but the reality is they're a really good team right now, and the rest of our schedule save OSU is not. I feel confident against Nebraska, Iowa and NW. We might not win all three, but I would be less surprised with 3-0 over that span than anything else.
but I think barely beating Akron and Uconn and losing to MSU and Penn State are not good signs. They are not great teams. I will give credit where it's due, and I feel MSU and PSU are defintely better than us, but let's be honest, they wouldn't tear it up in the SEC.
Well I will not concede that Penn State is better than us. We just screwed up more than they did that day (including missing 3 game winning FGs). They earned the victory, but I don't think they beat us more than we beat them.
And who said anything about the SEC? I'm just saying we're better than Nebraska, Iowa and Northwestern.
We did shoot ourself in the foot. I just have very low expectations at this point and figure we can blow it against everyone. I will be there Saturday, cheering like mad until the end, though!!
If you're going to bring up Akron, what about Minnesota? That team is 7-2 now, and we beat them by 29. This team is capable of playing well. ND is obviously another example.
PSU isn't better than us; we played them at night, in their house, in a game they were pumped up for and only lost in quadruple overtime after rolling snake eyes three straight times on game winning field goals. That's not something that happens when a team is clearly better than you.
MSU is clearly better than us. In fairness, MSU is probably one of the ten best football teams in the country right now. They've got a shot at being in the NCG conversation if they can knock off the Buckeyes in the BTCG (that's assuming that at least some of the teams currently undefeated lose a game, which may not be likely).
MSU would be the second best team in the SEC West right now. They're probably the best team (or close to it) in the SEC East. It's not like their #1 defense (adjusted for strength of schedule) is some kind of accident. It's legit.
MSU isn't going to knock off the Buckeyes in the BTCG. The Buckeyes don't have near the problems we have on the offensive line. MSU is not going to be in Ohio's backfield all day throwing Braxton Miller to the ground. Conversely, while the Buckeye defense isn't world-beating, it's good enough to keep MSU in check. Buckeyes win this game comfortably.
This is terrible for him but it's not necessarily a crippling blow for Nebraska. His replacements have actually looked decent at times, especially Kellogg. They'd probably still be better with Martinez but this isn't like going from Denard to Bellomy.
I was going to say the same thing in fact most Nebraska fans I know believe that if either one of those two play instead of Martinez Nebraska wins at Minny I am not believing that but his replacements might be better.
That's interesting. Are they saying that because Martinez has been playing hurt and isn't as effective? Or are they arguing that the younger guys are flat-out better (kind of like the occasional idiot who thinks M ought to start Morris ahead of Gardner)?
Kellogg (the one who threw the Hail Mary) is actually a walk on senior.
Ah, I didn't know that. I saw part of Nebraska's game against Illinois when Armstrong played--you can tell he is going to be really good but he's pretty raw still. I haven't seen Kellogg at all.
Having watched that game, I'd assume that is more a reflection that Martinez played while obviously hurting. He barely tried to run all game long. A healthy Martinez is still by far their best QB.
Agree with you there I think more fans were saying that taking his injuries into account that either one could have performed better. Kellogg is huge he is not moving but is probably a better thrower. Armstrong can run but has had trouble throwing should be an advantage to M either way
From the tone of the article and the list of injuries, it sounds like he might be out for a bit too. He does compete and that's a shame for him as well as Nebraska's offense. There was some speculation in a few other places actually that he may not be able to start for the remainder, but I admit that I don't know enough about the situation. That being said, that's a plus for us, I would say - I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like there is a lot of experience behind Martinez.
I know very little about this Nebraska team this year. After checking his stats, Ameer Abdullah is having a decent year so far.
With so much being express about TM's play pre-season...shame he won't beable to go this weekend. Was looking forward to watching him perform.
If we win out we would have a chance at a BCS bowl ... But hey, you're right. Who cares?
If we win out, it means we've knocked the Buckeyes out of the BCS title game picture and they are probably going to earn the B1G's slot in the Rose Bowl and then NOBODY else in the conference is getting into another BCS bowl game.
Nobody, not the pollsters, not the computers, respects the Big 10 right now.
I realize Nebraska isn't the juggernaut they once were, but I'm never going to see "Nebraska" on the schedule and think it's just another game. This news is too bad for Martinez but I can't say I'm disappointed that he'll be on the sidelines--this is a big break for us, at a time when we can really use one.
Considering Nebraska seems about as good as Minnesota, we should be able to handle Nebraska at home. Beyond that I have no clue if we'll win the road games and it'll take a 1969ish upset for us to beat Ohio State at home.
Martinez's backup is as good or better than he is anyways.
I was finally enjoying a thread for once, and you had to go and ruin it.
Oh my GOD. Which QB looked like Brady? Do you know how many teams have thrown fewer than 2 picks against us? CMU, Minnesota, UConn and MSU, though they each threw one. Considering Minny's, UConn's and Central's QBs had fewer than 160 yards each, we can agree they did not look like Tom Brady.
Akron and ND dinked and dunked the hell out of us, but threw for a very low YPA and were each picked off twice. Until the last drive and OT, Hackenberg was very un-Brady, and still finished with 6.9 YPA and 2 picks. Indiana has looked fantastic throwing the ball against everyone, and again, we picked them off twice. Connor Cook looked good, but 252 yards on 33 attempts with 1TD and 1 INT is not a great perfomance either.
So, outside of Indiana, nobody has really torn us up through the air, and even they had very imperfect games. You pull out one stat line and tell me who we made look like Tom Brady.
Stribling looked like a freshman
Look - Hackenberg did not look bad, but the above poster said "like Tom Brady" and that he certainly did not. His QBR for the game was 43.5.
Because he tossed up a prayer to the best receiver in the Big 10 and got his prayer answered? Jesus Christ, get a grip people! Hackenburg did everything he could to lose that game in overtime and we just pissed it away with bad play-calling and inexplicably poor kicking.
I hope Martinez gets better soon, at his best he is definitely one to worry about.
This also makes me wonder and hope that Gardner is okay after the beating he took
Yes, it's NEARLY impossible for us to win the B1G division, but MSU needs to go down three times. A miracle? Yes. But with a better healed Martinez at home, all things are possible given how he torched them last year.
I think the B1G title is pretty much out of reach at this point, regardless what happens between Neb. and State. We might really be best off seeing State run the table from here, since we are realistically trying to compete with other conference also-rans for decent bowl invitations.
MSU is 5-0 in conference with Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota left to play and they have to lose to ALL of them for us to have a shot at the division. At this point we need to Ebola virus to get released in their locker room for us to have a chance at the BTCG. We need to make our peace with the fact that our conference title hopes are over for this season and just work to salvage what we can.
WR Bell didnt play against NW that might factor in as well
If I remember right, Kenny Bell sat out most - if not all - of Saturday's game vs Northwestern. A quick Google search does not really pull up much. Has anyone read or heard anything regarding his status for this week's game? That would be another huge blow to the Nebraska offense.
Abdullah is the only player that scares me now. Slow him down (as in, if you have to pick him or Armstrong on a read option, go after Abdullah every time) and the game should be ours.
Now Nebraska knows how we felt last year in Lincoln. Karma.
But I wish Martinez a quick recovery.
I thought Martinez had already missed several games and his back-ups have looked downright good at times. I'm not sure this is a Denard-to-Bellomy type swing of the pendulum
Certainly not Denard-to-Bellomy. But a healthy Martinez is certainly an upgrade over the other two guys. Anyone that says otherwise is crazy.
Nebraska is terrible on the road. Like in every bit as bad as UM is on the road.
Armstrong was 6/18 for 43 yards against Purdue (PURDUE), and 15/29 for 173 yards (<6 yards per pass) with three picks.
Kellogg shredded South Dakota State and Purdue, but was 6/12 for 55 yards against Northwestern before that hail mary.
when I look at my last two season tickets and see Nebraka and Ohio State.
They looked good against South Dakota State, Purdue and the Ilini. Not a glowing endorsement.
against Central Michigan and Minnesota.
But worse looked terrible against UConn and Akron.
I am talking the QB's specifically. Not the whole team.
Minnesota is not a bad team. They're 7-2, with wins over Nebraska and Northwestern.
Other than maybe CMU, what QB hasn't looked good against the UM defense this year?
Methinks we beat them if Taylor Lewan could play. Nuff said.
Bell, Abdullah, Enunwa...I would say the only dimension we can probably let rest is there won't be a QB who can torch us with his legs.
I don't think we can let down for a second. Treat them like they are a desperate squad with a head coach in Year 6, and presumed by some to be on the bubble, trying to take advantage of another squad muddied and bloodied the week before.
Treat Nebraska with high respect is my only point. Their fans love to travel, and while I find them extremely pleasant, they Will show up to support their team on the road.
Bell is hurt too
We're in such disarray right now no game is going to be easy. I think some people have already forgotten Uconn and Akron. Show up and show out. We're in no position to take anyone lightly.
We had a better chance of winning with that bum in the lineup
Great, we're screwed. Hopefully Brax doesn't do the same come the end of November. These back ups are scary. If only mad max could have been there last sat. We would have won 6-3.
This is the NU quarterback that beat Northwestern:
Another opportunity for us to make a rookie/backup/walkon/rotting zombie missing a leg/ QB look like Joe Montana.
Exactly what I was thinking. I has a sad.
Sadly, my initial reaction as well.
do tend to have the games of their lives against us, at least this season. I'll bet Martinez wishes he was well enough to play this Saturday for that reason alone.
In any case, hope he recovers quickly.
If Michigan can't beat Nebraska at home, this team is worse off than I thought they were. There's also the bragging rights, since we won't be playing Nebraska for awhile, and I believe a Nebraska win would make us tied in our overall records against each other.
including Taylor Martinez and all-American lineman Spencer Long and all-B1G receiver Kenny Bell. Taylor has injuries to foot, shoulder, and hip and has been playing hurt since the opener, so we've using our 2nd and 3rd string QB's most of the season. No excuses, that's football, but all in all, 6-2's not bad.
Our D is very talented but very young, so inconsistent. Getting better. One thing they've done well is get turnovers, so hopefully that continues against DG.
Yes, most Nebraska fans expect a loss in AA ( and did in preseason even when handicapping at full strength), but the team is still playing to win the division and Michigan we know won't lay down because they're Michigan. Should be an exciting game, wish I could attend.
Also, appreciate the sportsmanship on this thread about Martinez being out, I expected no less from Michigan fans.
I wonder if he can get an injury redshirt and come back to complete his ninth year of eligibility?
This shapes up perfectly for us. We win Saturday which sparks us to win our final 3. Nebraska gets Martinez back against State, beats them and then runs the table as well. State suffers a hangover the following week versus NW and we finish in a three way tie. Michigan finishes with the highest BCS ranking and goes to Indy.
sucks for Taylor, but I was really hoping for them to be at full strength. Now we get an asterisk next to this win (should we win) in the Freep articles that will undoubtedly come out. Coach Hoke, do you think this team would have won if say Martinez were in the game? Do you think you may have won by a bigger margin if this team was not beat down so badly by the Spartans last week? What do you make of this teams duel personality of playing so poorly on the road and ok @ home? The one thing I do worry about is if they (Nebraska) will just plug in another QB the way Wisconsin does and him becoming all Big Ten by the end of the game.
the Indiana game. Probably ends up 58-49 or something stupid like that