Somebody's gonna get fired...
this may be of some local interest
Somebody's gonna get fired...
That's pretty goddamn disturbing. I am sufficiently paranoid that whenever I am in a big stadium, especially the Big House where egress is incredibly slow, I can't help but think how things would shakedown if somebody started firing an automatic weapon or explode a bomb. Hay-zoos fucking kreestay! How the hell is somebody allowed onto that field with a fucking gun!
I remember being in Michigan Stadium for the first home game after 9/11 and thinking something along the lines of "man, maybe cramming 110,000 people into a borderline inescapable hole in the ground isn't such a good idea..."
Then the game started and my concerns were whisked away.
Me too. And the 2004 Rose Bowl had security pretty tight as well.
If its my time to go, I cannot think of a better way to go than watching my beloved Wolverines at the end!! GO BLUE!!
You need to see the movie Two Minute Warning.....
I can see one M16 (/s), but TWO!? I did not realize that a National Guardsman in full get-up consisted of two M16s.
Rambo leading the Color Guard?
No red flags here. Move along.
Not to get political or anything, but concealed firearms? Really? Because I always feel the need to bust a human killing cap at the Big House... good lord...
I heard on the radio a bit ago that 2 M-16s were brought in. The person that brought them in pretended to be a member of the Color Guard and they were allowed entry because they weren't loaded.
I mean at that point, he was probably getting in either way.
At least he didn't bring in a bottle of water ***sigh**
isn't your username supposed to be Plessy v. Ferguson?
Or an mden bag you got from making a purchase across the street as opposed to inside
Guy standing next to me in the ticket line tried to sneak 2 bottle waters into the stadium. They jumped him, stripped searched him and took him away in a paddy wagon. Now he is doing time, upstate in the pen.
wow, and I was afraid of them noticing me letting friends borrow my ID to get into the stadium...
All these security measures do is keep the honest man inconvenienced. Airport security, pat downs at the stadium are more of a visual deterrent than an effective measure of stopping the act from taking place. Stop a fan from bringing a water bottle but miss a few guns slipping through. Meh, seems like a wash to me...
checked that they were unloaded, what was he going to do club someone with them. Sadly this will be used to make life even harder for the fans going to the games.
*At least Sparty didn't get their hands on them, that could have been dangerous*
I can think of a couple things he could do:
1. Carry the ammo in his pocket.
2. Have an accomplice carry the ammo in for him.
You're obviously a bright one.
after hearing the details i think this will force stadium personnel to maintain a list of approved personnel 3-4 days before, etc. perhaps even IDs for the band and security. this is a lapse in trusting people showing up are supposed to be showing up and shouldn't affect the average fan.
I can't believe they don't do that already....
They kind of do. Alumni Band was held up at the tunnel on Saturday so they could check our ID badges like the guy checks ID's at Dominick's.
Although that's nothing compared to what the NCAA does to pep bands at tournaments. We had to bring ID's they'd check against a list. Someone forgot theirs at the hotel on a Frozen Four trip one time, and they made the bus take her back to get it. It was ridiculous.
You would think the admins and police have more important things to do than ruin some poor guy's military career over wanting to see their product so badly that he snuck in.
You would think that a military guy would have more important things to do than ruin his career over wanting to see a football game so badly that he snuck in.
Especially a game that was televised
people hated millen but that's taking it a bit far
Hindsight being 20/20 he probably shouldn't have brought the guns, I'm guessing he though that they are a key part of being in the color guard so he felt they were necessary for him to get in. But yeah this seems excessive given that he was clearly no threat, seems like more a problem with how the university admits the color guard members to the stadium.
Thanks for clearing that up, having only been part of a Boy Scouts color guard I was unsure of what the tri-service used.
No waepons for football games. And if they did have weapons they would be drill rifles not functioning M-16's.
Members of the Tri-Service Color Guard also all march together down to the stadium from North Hall. Someone should have noticed when he showed up on his own with two weapons that aren't used by the color guard.
Nobody ruined his military career but himself. He snuck into a game, without a ticket, and used his military position to do so. That is abuse of "power" and serious lapse of judgement. It's a huge security risk either way and he should be kicked out of militiary service for attempting such a stunt.
Yeah? Find me a military guy who isn't bothered by some guy misusing his uniform in this way. It's low.
No worries guys, I forgot to show them my ticket.
My ticket to what you ask?
Basically if you look like you know where you're going and look official you can get in anywhere. A clipboard, a hard hat and a blue collared shirt will really get you into just about anything. Don't make eye contact, don't break stride. When I worked for IT I used to constantly breaking into buildings by coming in through the loading dock. I'd just walk like I owed the place, grab a computer and walked out. No one ever said a word. I had DPS officers hold the door for me when I had my hands full with the computer.
I was taking a tour of a US military base, got lost and got into a sensitive area. I was nicely dressed and tend to walk like I have a purpose. No one questioned me when I walked right into the F1117 hangar by mistake. I wish I'd had the guts to actually try to get into the plane and sneak a peek. Instead I realized "Hey this isn't the bathroom" and started back tracking.
A guy with a military uniform was likely just assumed to be ROTC or there to coordinate the paratrooper landing. I can't say I'm shocked he was allowed to walk right though.
Aren't there military personell there every game for the flag raising?
Thanks for the info, and it was definitely heads up for the service personell to figure it out.
At first I was confused because I thought this was some sort of plant that was intended to expose security holes, but it's a little disconcerting that someone could just get in.
I heard that he claimed he was part of the color guard. Wearing a uniform, having military ID ( I assume since the article said he was legit member of the NG) and having a large (relatively) military presence at the stadium that day, people probably just didn't doubt his reason for being there, even though he had no reason to be there.
Yeah I know this pilot guy who got upstairs in the White House while the Obamas were asleep!
I blame RR
MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY PROTECTING AMERICA ARRESTED UNDER RR: 1
MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY PROTECTING AMERICA UNDER CARR: 0
UNACCEPTABLE THAT THERE DOING THIS MAYBE THATS HOW IT WORKS IN WEST VIRGINIA. THIS IS THE ONLY DEFENSE DEMONSTRATED ON SATURDAY. WE DEMAND BETTER GO BLUE
VERY LOUD NOISES!
Actually security was having a hard time communicating because of all the rattling keys creating deafening noise.
it's Greg Robinson's fault- there were holes in that defense that a truck could drive thru
I hope security is much tighter next time.
the 2001 UM-MSU game in East Lansing when that Northwest DC-9 pulled an "aw, hell" over the stadium? scariest moment of my life up to then....
There was a crop dusting-like plane (I think it was flying an ad) flew pretty close to spartan stadium that game. No big deal though.
The report is incorrect! LaMarr Woodley also brought 2 guns in!
Sorry, I know you've heard the beginning of the next sentence a billion times by now, but; Since 9/11, I frequently find myself thinking about terrorist attacks when I'm at a large event or a largely populated place. Like the cruise we took to Alaska; we had coast guard gunboats escorting us into dock, but through the northwest passage, any boat could ride straight up to the massive, 4,000+ person cruiseship if they wanted and noone on board could do anything about it. In the big house, if someone really wanted to, they could get a bomb in. And if someone were so inclined, you'd have to imagine that the biggest stadium in the country which on any given saturday, likely contains the largest gathering of people in the country, if not the world at that particular time, would be right up there on their list. And I guess in my opinion, a ban on bags and water bottles, and a quick glance from a ticket checker at the turnstile doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence for the safety of such a huge crowd.
I know all the extra security really sucks, and I won't act like I've never bitched about long lines at an aiport, but I'm still surprised security isn't tighter at college games.
I think what likely pisses off most people, who are generally cool about reasonable security precautions, is the absolute arbitrariness and/or lack of common sense as relates to Michigan's rules for what you could bring in the stadium. For example, you can't bring a water bottle or a camera bag but you could bring in a seat pad (provided it's size/width are to the spec.). Common sense would tell you that you could probably hide whatever in a seat pad about as easy as a Coolpix camera bag.
I'm somewhat surprised security is not tighter at games although I'm more surprised how limited common sense is within it's implementation.
You can also bring in a monster lens. I can only imagine what someone could pack in one of those. Not that I'm complaining mind you.
I thought this was about the para-trooper who parachuted into the stadium with the game ball. I could just see someone looking up some rule that showed he was illegally entering the stadium.
I was watching before the game as the band marched up and I thought it was weird they made the cheerleaders give their names before being allowed to enter.
He bought the uniform at a rental place down in West Lafayette, and his next-door neighbor is in the Indiana NG and gave him the empty rifle.
Which should always be priority number one unless you give enough money to sit in a box. Guns I suppose fall much further down the list of concerns after non-students using student tickets and sitting in the wrong section.