Just Dantonio being Dantonio!
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Just Dantonio being Dantonio!
Yeah, well Rodriguez doesn't bother with the suspension part, so I guess we can't really know how he'd handle a reinstatement.
Suspension?!?! Rucker was in jail. Little different. On top of that, it was a probation violation, he's already had his second chance.
For the sake of discussion, what players under RR have had an offense comparable to Ruckers that he didn't suspend? Because with the Feagin situation, he was simply kicked off the team, no second chance.
I can't really say the Dantonio "suspended" Rucker since he was in jail. Not difficult to suspend a player who can't play anyway. That's like suspending an injured player until he comes back from injury.
Rucker was suspended for the Illinois game. He then CHOSE to accept a reduced charge of reckless driving, knowing he'd get a week in jail which covered the Northwestern game. He could have dragged it out, pled not guilty, whatever.
You simply want to pretend he wasn't suspended for Illinois, and then assume he wouldn't be suspended for Northwestern, when in fact you really don't know.
Look at the situations: He was present at a fight (pushing and shoving) that one of his friends was in. A year later, he moves his car across a street into a parking ramp after leaving a bar, and dings a car. Charged with OWI, pleads to reckless driving.
Oh the humanity!
When you say "dings a car" it sounds almost like he gave the car a hug but in the real world (not Sparty land) he hit a parked car while drunk. Thank god he didn't have to drive two blocks to the parking garage.
You never once addressed my question. Your first post was a dig on RR, and I wanted you to substantiate that. Instead, you completely disregarded it and started defending Rucker.
Fact is, RR hasn't had a player get sentenced to jail, and then reinstated to the team directly afterward. Sure, Dantonio suspended Rucker in the midst of the trial, but once he was out, everything is cool.
I'm basing my feeling about Dantonio on facts. Your statement is completely unsubstantiated.
OWI is no big deal! Just because he could kill someone, which, by the way, happens ALL THE TIME, it really is no big deal, right?
I realize Michigan has had players arrested for drunk driving, but implying that it is not serious is ludicrous.
Look at the situations: He was present and kinda participated in at a fight (pushing and shoving and punching and kicking) that
one fourteen of his friends was were in. A year later, he moves his car across a street into a parking ramp after leaving a bar, and dings a car. Gets drunk in violation of his probation, drives drunk, is involved in a hit and run while drunk, is charged with OWI, pleads to reckless driving
That's a shocking development.
(where my sarcasm font at?)
I wouldn't want him thrown in jail for life or anything, but I think driving drunk while on probation for assault should probably exclude you from the privilege of playing D1 football.
That said, it's a huge gray area, and I have no idea where that line should be drawn. Bad situation all around, let's just hope he's learned his lesson and doesn't do it again.
Every second chance deserves a second chance.
Hopefully they are reinstating him so that he can drive the team bus
Edit: just so long as nobody not associated with MSU football is on the road at the time
You're saying he's a threat to himself and others? But that these are acceptable qualities for a MSU football player?
I think it shows the types of players Rich and Co are bringing in.
Edit: This was a response to the comparison of Stonum and the situation at MSU being sad. Sorry I don't know what happened.
Perhaps this is a question for Obi Ezeh, Kevin Grady or Darryl Stonum. But then, they wouldn't know what a suspension is, because they never received one.
Faux moral outrage is ridiculous.
Well, none of them were on probation for assault when they climbed behind the wheel drunk, so there's that...
This horrible assault, which resulted in no injuries. When Stuart Dunnings, the prosecutor first saw video of it, he said publicly that nothing on it rose to the level of criminal activity. When told the next day that some participants were football players, he said "Now I'm interested...". The rest is history. All of this is public record, and widely reported.
As for Stonum, yes, he was on probation when he skipped multiple drug tests and was subsequently jailed. Lucky for him, no suspension.
Your outrage is as foolish as the "ski mask" stuff, which has been refuted repeatedly by prosecutors (again, very publicly). The irony is that Demar Dorsey DID wear a ski mask when committing his armed robberies (again, this info is readily available in major news outlets), and the ONLY reason he isn't on the UM team is he couldn't clear the NCAA academically (as noted when he couldn't enroll at Louisville either).
Dude, I get it. You are desperate to defend your team. You'll draw false equivalences, make bogus arguments, huff, puff, blow the house down.
Now go relax and enjoy the game Saturday. I hope they win... that's all that matters, right?
Desperate? No, I think there's a guy in AA that has a monopoly on desperation.
I've shared facts, which is going over like a fart in church over here.
huff puff huff puff
I seriously keep checking this thread just to see how negged you get. I think you'll be -200 before all is said and done. Keep replying so we can neg more of your posts.
he said publicly that nothing on it rose to the level of criminal activity
Except, you know, driving above the legal limit...
Demar Dorsey was cleared by the NCAA. He could not play for UM because he never actually applied, so the admissions office AT UM did not let him in.
why plead guilty if nothing happened???
No matter the colors of your football team. The difference is, for Ezeh, Grady, and Stonum, that was their first offense, and didn't occur while they were on parole for a violent crime. Not defending what they did at all, but I do think there is a difference. Also, Rich Rodriguez suspended Booboo last year at a position of desperate need for missing class - to me, that shows he wants to help young men mature through football just as much as he wants to win. With what MSU football has been through and done over the past few years, the perception is growing that they are a "win at all costs" program.
That said I hope he learned his lesson and hope, for the kid's sake, that Dantonio knows what he's doing. After being kicked off the team, Cissoko's life spun out of control. Maybe this is the best thing for Rucker.
one of them being Glenn Winston I believe who was on the team after he sent a kid to hospital before that.
Yes, we wouldn't want to get in the way of your iron-clad facts. The real ignorance is you posting this hear-say without a reputable source or link.
Honestly, I don't see how that makes a difference. If I punch a guy and break his nose, or if a punch a guy so hard he falls onto his nose and breaks it, are those two really any different? The kid hit his head as a result of the fall, which is a result of the punch.
"I threw a guy through a window, but it was the glass that cut him, not me."
Because HALF of the kids who beat up some engineers got booted off of the team?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Winston was the only contributor that got the boot. I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'.
anyone notice MSU had the lowest GSR in the conference? Not that I'm saying, I'm just saying.
Yeah, since 2003. Odd time frame.
MSU graduated all but 1 senior last year (Blair White had graduated the year before). Can you fill me in on the stats for UMs 2009 senior class?
Anyone else notice that 85% of the UM team is majoring in General Studies or Kinesiology (the 2nd K program UM has, a "special" Kinesiology program created for athletes that omits all those tough science classes".
This game is fun.
that program has established enough of a portfolio the last few years to earn legitimate moral outrage, no matter your allegiance. At this point the Spartans have put in so much work that they could have their own episode of "Gangland." If you're using terms like "probation violations," the guy should probably take a seat on the pine. Dantonio learned as much from Glen Winston as he learned in class: absolutely nothing.
Stonum's probation violation was for not showing up for some tests. He got some Barwis barf sessions or something for that along with his three days in jail. He was suspended a game and a half for the original DUI.
Rucker's probation violation was for DUI, a crime apart from the fact that he was on probation. He pled it down to reckless driving, but he was operating a car while over the legal limit of BAC. It's still a DUI.
Uh, I know for a fact right off the top of my head that both Grady and Stonum were suspended. I have no idea on Ezeh but that incident occurred in 2007 under the previous staff.
What were they suspended from? Not games, which is kinda the point.
Well, these can't count as facts because they're inconvenient.
Of course not, facts aren't facts if they're inconvenient. They degrade down to written opinions by a reputable source with actually knowledge of the situation.
"Damnit! I want facts!"
I guess you haven't seen Urban Meyer down at Florida, multiple championships and 26 arrests on his time on campus.
[Edit]: Damn, beaten to the punch.
My ass. Looking forward to the reasoning.
on Sat., Dantonio ends up looking like the jackass that he is.
He didn't "sit out" for two games. He was in JAIL and wasn't allowed to be a part of society. So yes, I guess he "sat out" as a byproduct of being incarcerated.
Take it easy, buddy.
Just keep repeating:
"My coach is not a hypocritical douche-bag"
"The team is not a bunch of thugs"
You'll believe it in time. Don't worry
Yeah we have had our arrests. However, Rodriguez has kicked kids off the team like Cissoko and Feagin. Both of which were after first offenses, btw.
The other two were alcohol related offenses that did not involve an accident. Grady was passed out in his car. Also, neither player had a prior record.
Rodriguez's policy is as close to zero tolerance as you will find in the state of Michigan and RR is clearly more of a disciplinarian than Dantonio is.
"That's up to Rucker - there's risk involved."
Likely referring to the possibility of an injury occurring due to being out of practices, not knowing the scheme but... alluding to the fact he's not necessarily being held out via disciplinary reasons
Because he'll be too drunk and stumbling around on the field?
I'm sorry, that was a poor attempt. I wish I had something better. Ski masks! No, that's been done. Okay, nevermind. Carry on.
Why is Dantonio trying to be coy about this? How would it be "up to Rucker" if he has an injury?
i meant that a player who has been out of practice for a couple weeks might not have the muscle flexibility/physical preparation to avoid injury. i hope that makes more sense
Zero tolerance for those on probation, eh?
"This is UNBELIEVABLE!" I thought he was looking at a number of weeks in jail. This is completely different from anything I can remember because his PO asked for it suggesting that jail is where he needs to be (at least in the short term).
I know this is from the Freep, but please read the print version. The whole incident is released and I'm shocked at the details.
Not only does he get into an accident, but he drives away from said accident before being pulled over. Fled scene of accident, nice.
The guy he hit was also drunk.
He got pulled over and forgot the months of March and April in a sobriety test.
The guy he hit wanted to "pay" to let Rucker go free and not sent to jail
Rucker admitted that he would likely lose his scholarship b/c of this.
And it goes on and on. Jeebus, how is he reinstated?
Well that's not really fair. He probably didn't know those were months anyway.
No more third chances*
*does not apply if you are a starter, in which case welcome back to the team straight from jail
Seriously, I know 1 game is pretty par for the course for a player getting a DUI, but that's for players who are not already on probation for a group beating.
But I really like State's "Zero tolerance... after the first strike. Or after the second strike if it really isn't a big deal and the cop was just being a dick. And possibly after the third strike if you feel really REALLY bad about it. Though some exceptions will be made for fourth strikes if we're really thin at corner. But that's IT. After that, no tolerance. Probably" policy.
Tough, but fair.
This is very different from the Stonum case. Stonum wasn't on probation for a felony at the time. This is egregious and not at all surprising.
neither was Rucker. let's stay within the fact pattern. assault is a misdemeanor.
Youe're speling rulez!
and even more misspellings, haha.
FYI...grammar and spelling are two totally different things.
What a fucking surprise!
For real what type of message does this send? What kind of image does this construe for Michigan State as an institution? All my Spartan friends complain about how Michigan fans are condescending towards them and their education, yet the people running their university are doing them no favors.
Oh well, all I have to say is that the kid better not see a down of football for the rest of his career or else Dantonio is going to have a lot of explaining to do...
So we're clear: because there's no statute that says people shouldn't be d-bags, the head coach of a D-1 football team can be a d-bag, right?
Hmmm, seems about right with Dantonio. The only people kept off the team are players that are useless to the depth chart.
saw that one coming.
Reinstated is fine, but he shouldn't play a single down.
Staters gonna State?
MSU fans can complain about stonum.. he didn't get wasted and go drunk driving after a big game during the middle of the season..
Dantonio the "Dean of Discipline" like that idiot B10 commentator said during their ILL game lol.. is at it again..
Pathetic if he plays
Comparing everything their team does to something Michigan has done? Weird! Sounds like they may have a complex.
guys guys, it's ok...
mike valenti said rucker was being nice to the cop. so it's fine.
(to be fair, mike stood by his view that he should be kicked off the team.)
Who's Mike Valenti?
I think he will play against Iowa Saturday. It's all too convenient that this is their last real test before the end of the season. I hope I'm wrong though.
Am I the only one who thinks if Rucker does play he should be targeted early and often? I just can't see how practicing once in two weeks and then playing against a veteran QB in a hostile environment can go well. I think Dantonio handled this in the worst possible way from all angles.
Since I was one of those saying wait for the facts to come in, I guess it's time for me to say everyone was right. What a load of B.S. I can't even imagine how embarrassed I'd be if my school allowed a kid to go from a jail sentence during the week to the playing field on Saturday.
New (sparty) math 0 = 3
via Dan Kilbridge of Spartan Tailgate:
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he's not tolerating the behavior. Dantonio is really REALLY disappointed and will now only scowl at Rucker because he's no longer tolerating him.
to act surprised. You're shocked! You're outraged!
You can't believe this is happening. It's Mark
Dantonio and this has never happened before.
WIN AT ALL COSTS A POOR FORMULA FOR DANTONIO
"Dantonio makes exception to 0 tolerance policy to help Rucker get life turned around - a true molder of men. Swell guy - Rich could learn a thing or two. Speaking of Rich, you heard about this completely unrelated housing thing that's significantly more OUTRAGE?"
Never again compare MSU to the 1997 Michigan team.
"Dantonio makes exception to 0 tolerance policy to help Rucker get life turned around - a true molder of men. Swell guy - Rich could learn a thing or two. Speaking of Rich, you heard about this completely unrelated real estate thing that's significantly more OUTRAGE?"
I am not naive about what goes on in football programs in the Big 10 but at some point there are standards expected and demanded of Big 10 programs. The everybody does it defense fails at some point. MSU is an embarrassment.
Since they went 8-0
someone really needs to beat iowa...
Will get to them at Iowa...
is how serious can you take your coach that your punishment is confined to a game suspension and your jail sentence? they know they can do whatever they want, face the legal system just like everyone else, and continue on their way.
Not zero tolerance, just .095.
The fans at Hondo Carpenter’s Spartan Nation Radio (on live now) seem to be unanimously disappointed in this decision.
Maybe Dantonio was inspired by the way Will Hunting made the most of his last chance? He is kind of like Professor Lambeau.
I think its an important distinction that he was actually convicted of two things:
-reckless driving (which is a "moving violation" IIRC)
To look at the world in with your head in the sand, this is not really all that much to go on as far as "crime" overall goes. You can get charged with all kinds of stuff, but what goes in your record is what you are actually convicted of... credit his lawyers I suppose.
I would think people would be more concerned with the two basketball players who had the rape alligations leveled at them, honestly.
And Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion.
A court of law looks at what you've charged with. Dantonio needs to look at what he DID. And what he did was beat up some engineers (even if he only 'helped'), and while on probation he got caught driving drunk when even the 'drunk' part was a violation of his probation.
Why are there not more rigorous PE and self defense classes for engineers! We're a vulnerable demographic!
Unfortunately the LOTR and Star Wars trilogies don't constitute as actual self-defense lessons, contrary to popular engineering beliefs.
I've watched the Matrix over two dozen times, and I still cannot disarm someone with my thoughts.
I'd bet you could repulse people with your thoughts, if you tried. Or maybe even if you don't. Besides, whats the point of disarming them if you learned how to dodge bullets correctly from the Matrix?
I haven't tried!? Are you implying that during the three weeks I took off during the summer just to work on my mind repulsion skillz in my basement were just for show!?
I thought you guys used "not showering" as a defense mechanism... like a skunk, or an olfactory porcupine.
I wash everywhere except my armpits. When threatened I raise my arms and watch the BO shockwave propagate.
Are you threatened in the presence of women (Japanese schoolgirls do not count)?
You are not a terrible coach, but you are a horseshit person.
Classless, smug, and douchbag. Oh, and a hypocrite too.
I hated dantonio, now I loath the piece of shit.
Spartan Football: Winning at all costs since 1995!!
Winning Playing .500 football at all costs since 1995!!
My buddy, who is the biggest Spartan homer you'll ever meet, is quite unhappy about this.
That sets a shitty precedent. Wow I thought Mark was going to dump him. I can't say I'm proud. This tarnishes a magical season. State lost more respect nationwide.
They had respect nationwide? Nearly every pundit in America has them as the "favorite" in the pool of unbeatens to lose first.
And it is Sparty. No one cares about them nationwide. Not even Nationwide, and they're supposed to be by your side.
Looks like "Win at all costs" Dantonio is back at it again. The bright side is that he clearly hasn't learned from the Winston situation which will lead to more events that will enforce the stereotype that he runs an undisciplined program.
It's just such a moronic move by Dantonio on all fronts. This is the 1 season in every 40 years that MSU will have some success, and rather than taking advantage of it, you open it up to criticism by doing this. Not to mention, Rucker's substitute (Dennard is his name, I believe) was playing pretty well.
I expect the local media to be indignant and outraged over this...
I've grown to not expect much from the local media. Especially certain publications that are dead to me.
My head is exploding. Can Drew Sharp write a column about what a great humanitarian Dantonio is so all will be right with the world?
If Rucker plays Saturday, even a win over Iowa will ring hollow with the media types and possibly with some of their fans. I understand that it may not take much to register a .10, but the fact remains at that point, you are operating a lethal weapon.
With everything in Sparty's season going their way, do they really need Rucker?? This makes the program look horrible.
Talk about a "good story nationally" going wrong...geez.
I mean, Dantonio did learn from the father of discipline, Jim Tressel.
UPDATE: Here are some, you know, actual statistics for you, slugger. Wins at Michigan Stadium:
Am I thrilled about those numbers? Not particularly. But I don't quite think you can go as far as to say that Tressel & Dantonio have more wins at Michigan Stadium than Rodriguez.
It's okay though, Sparty. Don't let silly little things like facts get in the way of your opinions. Go have a cookie, you've earned it, champ.
Zero tolerance doesn't cover McNutt
I don't care if it was Chris Rucker or Kevin Grady at UM, drunk driving is just godamned stupid as hell in modern society. It's 2010. M.A.D.D. has been around for 30 years. Jesus Christ, get some self-control or call a f*%3ing taxi! In Michigan it's not a felony until you get convicted a 3rd time for doing it - plenty of time to practice property damage and potentially killing people on the road. This is the part where we laugh it off, you know boys will be boys, and "let's not destroy this young man's future". We do this at least until it's our loved one that gets offed.
Go out and have a great game against Iowa, Chris! Congratulations. You beat the system.
He was just moving his car across the street to a different parking lot, not mowing down pedestrians on a major street. His mistake, IMO, is doing anything of the sort intoxicated while on probation. If I were already on thin ice at a school I had a full ride to play football for, I'd be damn sure I wouldn't be making any questionable decisions that could (ok well SHOULD HAVE) cost me my scholarship from the team.
Clearly the ice wasn't THAT thin.
And then moved his car. Convenient that moving his car occurred while the police were reporting to the scene. Could it be he was trying to flee to the most isolated place possible? Never!
You've missed the point(s) entirely... no suppose I suppose.
Anyone who is a fan of a team who lets someone play who is convicted of a violent crime, and is then caught doing something ELSE that would be illegal regardless of their probationary status?
Granted, Rucker's second offense wasn't nearly as spectacular as Glenn Winston's... but when someone sets the bar that high, I guess you've just got to temper expectations.
Dantonio just makes no sense on this one. His program has so much positive spotlight right now, if he had just made the more ethical decision (not to mention the fact that he said "ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY") he wouldn't be facing so much backlash. I give all the credit for what State has been able to do this season and I'm not even going to sit here and say they aren't a good team. The fact is they don't necessarily need Rucker, and reinstating him is just a bad PR move that leads to the MSM making publications about how undisciplined MSU is. It's like a Sparty NO moment, but off the field this time. This is as rational of an argument as I can try to give you.
Oh and using Stonum and Grady as examples is fine, except in their case it wasn't a repeat offense after being involved in something serious (despite the fact it was downplayed to a misdemeanor).
Yeah but what about Stonum and Grady? LOOK AT ME, I'M BEING OBJECTIVE! LOOK HOW OBJECTIVE I AM! I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERYBODY BECAUSE I'M SO OBJECTIVE!
(never mind that, despite the fact that Stonum and Grady got DUI's just like Rucker, they weren't on legal probation at the time for misdemeanor assault)
schools have these kids who screw up. They do. EVERY SCHOOL DOES.
But only MSU has 'em by the dozen.
And it's "altruistic", not "ultruistic".
Yep. A kid beating up his abusive father and another punching a window while drunk are comparable to assault on an innocent kid and hit and run with DUI on top.
2. Stonum, and try to get this, violated probabtion and WENT TO JAIL.
I understand that, but Stonum (and try to get this) violated probation by leaving the state without consent, and failing to submit the required amount of random alcohol tests. He didn't violate his probation by GETTING ANOTHER DUI. I'm not going to try to argue that Michigan players haven't done their share of dumb shit through the years (peeing on dance floors, exposing genitalia in sorority house windows, etc), but you shouldn't try to argue that the Stonum/Grady situations are comparable to Rucker's either.
Like you said though, we could go back and forth about this all night, so there's no point. Have a good night, and enjoy reading nice fluffy columns in the local rags tomorrow about what a wonderful and caring person Dantonio is for giving Rucker a second (errrrrrrr, third) chance.
In the meantime, please do one thing for me. I believe you've posted not once, but twice, that Tressel and Dantonio have more wins at Michigan Stadium than Rodriguez does. Could you go ahead and double(errrrr, triple)-check that for me? Thanks, chief.
Rucker was convicted of a misdemeanor and a driving violation.
While I agree Rucker was an idiot (Dantonio has stated such), is it really fair to ruin the kid's life after the second time, he did everything right? Owned up, took blame, served his time.
I mean, if Michael Vick gets a shot after spending years in jail, why shouldn't Rucker? In baseball, multiple guys have been caught cheating, why are they still even playing?
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Dantonio was saying "maybe Rucker will play", when there's really no chance of him actually playing, just to mess with Iowa's gameplan. I would like it if Rucker sat for the game, but I have to trust Dantonio, who is a very good person, to know that when a person shows remorse and does the right thing, it's not right to ruin his life over it.
Give me a break. Since when did not playing four or five football games ruining a kid's life? He was cool with just sitting around last year while his football teammates had plans to physically punish and potentially ruin other people's lives. He might as well have been there throwing punches if he was going to let what happened happen. The kid that he was there supporting, Winston, had already ruined another kid's life.
If he's that good and football is his livelihood, then he'll get a chance to prove it in a couple months at the combine. This is no big deal.
BTW, if Dantonio is using this as bait for Iowa, then he's a fool. Rucker's not the type of kid you gameplan around. That's Charles Woodson. Cue up the 1997 MSU/UM game for a refresher.
And Mike Vick? He's a grown man, playing in the NFL, a grown up's league which is also a private entity. MSU is a public school, so it pleases no one when their tax dollars are going to state schools that bend these "zero tolerance" rules. I'd hate to live in Florida with my tax dollars going to help fund football scholies at Miami, FSU and especially Florida.
So really, explain to me how his life would've been ruined by missing a month of football?
I see 10 "Dantonio couldn't keep him off the field until the Bye week or the next game... he had to play him NOW?!" posts to every "He should be gone." The joke is not that he hasn't been removed - the joke is he's likely playing Saturday. His life is not ruined by missing Iowa, his coach's authoritarian persona is.
He was minimally involved in the dorm beatdown and was really only guilty of being there (i.e. he was there but he wasn't one of the guys kicking the crap out of people). I think that is way different than had he been a direct participant.
With that said, I think he is a big-time dumbass for getting a DUI while on probation. Somebody needs to sit this clown down and explain what probation means; most people on probation take extra precautions not to get caught doing anything stupid b/c they know that they have been given a 2nd chance.
I personally don't care if he plays or not; this type of things (i.e. getting in trouble with the law, playing the game that week) happens more often than you think. I just love the fact that MSU has to deal with this in the middle of one of their best starts in a long time; especially after seeing the way their fans react to our bad press.
It's also been claimed that he was involved in the hockey fight. Would make sense given the fact he had Winston's back in the frat incident similarly.
about "only guilty of being there." Since when is being a witness a crime? Sure there wasn't something more to plead about?
This was a dumb decision that's going to backfire on Dantonio. I know nobody cares what Drew Sharp writes, but he had a column from a week or so ago saying that Rucker should not be allowed to play again. There was also an MLive writer who a few days ago said Rucker should be allowed to stay on the team but should not be allowed to play. Earlier today, Mitch Albom had a column saying essentially the same thing and criticizing Dantonio for his refusal to comment at the press conference a couple of days ago.
Rittenberg a few days did say that he thought Rucker should be allowed to play again--but not for the Iowa game.
So, all the pundits I've seen so far are against this move. If this isn't the end of the "St. Mark" myth, then it's the beginning of the end.
You mispelled "crap" in your message above. For whatever reason you wrote "MLIve" instead.
Police report states that Rucker was involved in a hit and run. It only gets better.
He hit a parked car and the guy whose car it was didn't even want him to get in trouble. Let's not embellish the story here. Not saying he isn't dumb, but lets try and look at this objectively. Irrational arguments just makes us sound like little brother.
It doesn't matter if the guy happened to be a state fan and did not want him in trouble. The fact is he hit a fucking car while driving drunk. Thats all that matters here. Not that the guy was A) Either extremely gracious or B) A Sparty fan.
Someone called the cops to show up. They didn't just happen to pull him over as he was going across the street and find out they lucked out that he had hit a car before that. And if the kid didn't call the cops on Rucker, the cops apparently lucked out at seeing someone back up and then leave the scene without checking in, etc. Further, the kid found out he was a football player while in the police car and tried to bribe a cop to not arrest Rucker. Sounds more like a kid who didn't want to be the bad guy at his school.
I'm not embellishing at all. If anyone is changing the story at all it's you.
The fact he hit someone in the parking lot pokes a mighty big hole in the, 'He was fiiiine, just crossing the street' crap that a MSU fan posted. He was intoxicated enough that he hit something before he got on the road. He fucked up bad.
Miami Hurricanes! Without a bunch of future 1st rounders though.
Does this Rucker suspension and reinstatement have ANYTHING to do with Michigan's final five games?
Way to waste your energy talking about irrelevant issues, folks.
Because it's only Thursday, and Michigan doesn't kick off until 8:00 Saturday, and we're running out of shit to talk about after the bye week.
I noticed you must have made a mistake when creating your account. I can totally understand because you hastily created it 30 minutes ago so you could post on here to make yourself feel better for having a program that lacks standards. But just so you know you should probably change your "W" to a "B" when you get a chance and drop the "S" because that's what you're acting like.
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Let me cut to the chase. Most of you are upset because MSU's DUI'ers have been outperforming M's DUI'ers.
The impetus of all the Rucker talk on this blog is your hatred of MSU, otherwise you all wouldn't give a shit about the situation. Quit acting morally outraged, when in fact you are enraged because MSU is undefeated.
I was pretty pissed when MSU allowed Winston back on the team after, you know, going to prison, and they sucked last year. I'm all for second chances, but when we are on 3rd and 4th chances, it is getting silly. If there is any greater reason for the outrage, it is because all we hear is how "strong" and "disciplined" a program Dantonio runs compared to the "criminals" in Ann Arbor, even though there are numerous examples as to why that is false.
I never ever see this in print, except on this blog, where it is then used as a strawman to bash Dantonio and MSU.
we hear is how "strong" and "disciplined" a program Dantonio runs compared to the "criminals" in Ann Arbor,
Read some of those old Freep and MLive articles the past few summers. Reporters are smart enough to not call out a coach explicitly for hypocritical behavior, but the tone is unmistakable. And not to drag up the Freep articles, but consider how much play that story received locally and nationally compared to both MSU incidents, and it is hard not to see a thread.
So if I go back and read about M and MSU DUI situations, M will be portrayed as "criminals" and MSU will be portrayed as "strong" "disciplined"? I don't think so.
wow, there's a million sparty posters here. what happened? where did they come from?
and they're not the intelligent, objective, "i know im on a different team's site" type of posters (like Irish). they're the whiny ones who think that they need to win the internets and believe that the rest of us have to conform to their narrow realm of thought.
When they have a player fresh out of incarceration. I think they are 0-2 in the coach D era. Oh coach D, you and your strong family values.
I just didn't see this coming at all and to be honest I have really been concerned with MSU football lately. This will most likely cause me to get mad and feel bad. Oh. I wish this never happened. Everyone will now look at their fine program with an entirely different viewpoint.
If so, this a real lame, chickenshit move if he decided to hide from the cameras and publish a statement or read it in front the cameras with no follow up questions.
Dantonio revealed his logic on his radio show tonight. Said he tries to be a parent, felt CLR had been punished enough, and doesn't want to ruin his life because of a mistake when he's done his time. He said CLR had already missed 16% of the season (in any other sport, that would be unheard of), and that he wanted to hear Rucker's name on senior day to applause for what he has done, not mistakes he has made.
I didn't hear the report so I cannot confirm this is his logic, but if so, that is just crap. He missed 16% of the season, which is basically a single game, after being involved in an offseason assault and then, during the season, being caught for DUI. If that constitutes sufficient punishment, then my legal education was a complete waste because the rules have so fundamentally changed. As for Rucker being able to hear his name on Senior Day, that wouldn't have been an issue if he hadn't ALREADY COMMITTED two acts that could send him to jail.
I want to feel like this
but I just can't anymore. I get the whole glass houses thing, the whole "why do you care about another team" thing, etc. This is just a missed opportunity by Sparty, and as an alum is bums me out that Dantonio couldn't just make the right call and drop Rucker, or at the very minimum say he is suspended indefinitely. Spartans will point out that this happens at other schools, and while that might be true, I would hope that even through the greenest of glasses people would see how hypocritical bringing Rucker back is. I know that this board has already exploded and whatever, but this is a pock on an otherwise magical season by MSU.
Dantonio wouldn't get as much crap for this if he'd never uttered the words "zero tolerance". That's going to be thrown at him by media everywhere, be it local or national.
I also think that if he'd suspended Rucker from the Iowa game, you wouldn't see this sort of reaction. I don't really think he deserved to be booted entirely, but the "out of jail and onto the practice field" think yet again just looks awful. Let him back for S&C workouts this week, suspended for the Iowa game and not allowed to travel, and reinstated for the following game? That probably would have been acceptable to most people.
One final note - RCMB apparently has a post up about the MGoBlog meltdown, if by "meltdown" you mean a bunch of MSU trolls posting and people responding along with legitimate commentary. I feel like at one point the various boards will fall in on themselves and an Internet black hole will sprout up.
When Dantonio uttered the "I won't comment on that" line the other day, we should have seen right then which direction this scenario was heading.........
During a recent MSU game, can't remember which, the commentators called Dantonio "old school" and a "disciplinarian"........I call him pretty friggin' hilarious!
They called him the "Dean of Discipline" lol
need to trust their instincts, and when you consider yourself a parent figure, that must be true ten fold.
If I were his parent, I might ask myself this:
Does Chris ever try to wear the ski mask while driving drunk on his way to one of his "engineer parties"?
If I thought the answer might be yes, then I would really be concerned for his future, because that is just not safe driving.
Did I miss something?
When did Stonum and Grady beat up other students?
You're not worked up about athletics? Then why are you on someone else's board trying to defend your team's criminal element?
I remember my first winning season.
Idiots are going to continue to be idiots. There is nothing we can do about someone this stupid.
I'm glad I'm not a big enough loser to go onto other teams sites just to make a post on a blog. Enjoy your season until you get annihilated saturday.
Excerpt: "Dantonio comes off soft on discipline. He looks like a win-at-all-costs coach who puts standards aside before the nation's No. 5 team plays a huge game at Iowa. Michigan State looks like the Land of Second Chances, the program where you can wear a jumpsuit and a jersey in the same day. "
Not exactly backing Dantonio, eh?
Thanks Adam. If there is to be a MSU football reality show, we now have the name.
Nothing was ever reported as a suspension but Stonum did miss time early last year. And none of this changes the "Zero Tolerance" policy that Dantonio stated, would be in play. Mark Dantonio clearly makes his decisions based on what gives him a better chance to win, first and foremost.
didn't play in the first game of 2008 iirc; not sure if officially suspended. but had a few carries in game 2. he also was suspended during the summer after the incident occurred.
I will go burn a couch.
MSU trolls are so dumb that they post their new MGoBlog account names and posts on tRCMB. And brag about their trolling. So they get removed. Like trolls.
The sheer bafflement that they experienced when their comments weren't showing up 3 minutes after posting "Hey everybody, look out for (insert name)'s comments when we invade the board" was incredible. It may be one of the stupidest things I've seen on the internet: disclosing your troll identity in a thread entitled 'MGoBlog invasion' on a board that your target audience is reading due to it being the week of your game.
And then they played it off as if they didn't "want to invade anyways" while mocking the very point system that prevented them from creating posts in the first place.
Oh RCMB, you never fail.
Misdemeanor State University
Is anyone at all surprised by this decision? The sparties know this is their one and only chance. It still won't matter iowas defense will destroy cousins