Expected to be announced as coach in the next 48 hours per Bruce Feldman
to play football, not to play trumpet
Expected to be announced as coach in the next 48 hours per Bruce Feldman
Twitter just blew up saying expect him to be hired there in the next 48 hours.
As long as 'Arizona Man' isn't a thing, it's probably a good fit.
To: RichRod. Pls study 4 ur own good. TIA.
and let him run the D
Most people in Arizona are originally from somewhere else, and even the ones who were born there don't give a rip about "outsiders". The most popular U of A coach of all time was Lute Olson, who came from Iowa. I think RR would be a good fit there, and transition issues should be minimal as QB Nick Foles (a west coast type who would not fit in a spread and shred) is a senior.
Congrats to RR and I wish him well at ARI if that is indeed his landing spot.
well. With the right staff, I can see him being successful at Arizona.
RR could succeed in AZ. He should get full cooperation, and I would imagine he has figured out that he should delegate his defense to someone who can do the job. There is plenty of talent out there, and Oregon proved that a school can build a decent program in a short amount of time if enough resources are spend toward that end.
There are some nice Juco programs on the west coast, and AZ will probably let him recruit a few Juco transfers to get started.
would probably do well with the weaker defenses in the pac twelve
Tell that to every Michigan team that had to play USC.
he can bring greg robinson along with him. those pac-12 defenses can suck it up together.
I will look forward to seeing how he does out there
I wish him luck. He actually could make the Pac-12 interesting with the right staff.
I wonder if he's going to have to go toe to toe with Meyer for staff, if the coaching world either a) will wait and see what OSU does or b) RR doesn't put a staff in place until hiring season anyway.
If Meyer went to OSU, it suddenly becomes an in-demand gig again since I presume that would happen only in a scenario where NCAA sanctions were deemed workable by Meyer, and of course, if he actually wanted the job. I would imagine that he could put together a staff that would quickly eliminate Walrusball anyway....
If RR goes to Arizona, my guess is that he would probably informally try to assemble a staff fairlyquickly, but perhaps we wouldn't hear much until early next year.
It gets even more interesting when you think they have similar desires from an x's and o's standpoint, even if their actual play on the field looks pretty different. With Magee and Co. settled at Pitt, and Meyer's old guys...wherever they went to, they might both be interviewing a fair amount of people without much (or any) prior connection.
Can you imagine a mix-and-match of their respective WV and Florida staffs (representatives of both on each staff)? That would make for some intriguing teams....
Feldman just tweeted that Rich Rod would be hiring a lot of former staff members from WV and Michigan.
I hope he's smart enough to only take the offensive assistants from Michigan and Casteel from WV.
transfer to Arizona?
I hope it's true, and wish him all the luck in the world.
I look forward to playing Arizona in the Rose Bowl year after year.
how is this flamebait? I want him to succeed and I think he will... as I think we will as well.
because everyone keeps saying the same thing in every single RR thread.
Can he have Casteel for his own sanity? Seriously, is Casteel available to join RichRod? I've lost track of the WVA coaching situation.
lots of rumors about Holgerson wanting his own guy in there for defense, would not be surprised at all to see Casteel and RichRod Reunite.
He shouldn't be that dependent on one assistant. He's got to let the fixation on the 3-3-5 go, and let his DC run whatever he wants.
What he needs is a good DC. And a good AD.
He needs a good DC and the willingness to let that DC run his own defense. In 2008 he had the first (Shafer), but not the second.
I'm curious to see where he'll go from here. Will he try to reunite his old WVU staff? He seems very loyal to them, but it might be better for him to go in a new direction (especially regarding the secondary).
Isn't that what we ran for the better part of the season till the Purdue game?
didn't hire his own staff, they were all former WVU dudes.
We ran a 4-3 but it was not really Shafer's defense. He's big on bump-and-run coverage and sending pressure from lots of different places. We didn't do much of either.
it was more of a whiff-and-stumble defense.
What he really needs are better defensive position coaches. for all the grief VERY rightly takes, the positional fundamentals and understanding were as much of a problem as the overall scheme.
VERY should obviously be GERG
his life lessons at Michigan help him reach his potential. Who knows, he may still get the chance to take a team to the Rose Bowl.
I'm sure he and his non-traditional brand of football will work well out there with all those alternative styles. Recruiting academics shouldn't be an issue now as well. Also, low expectations from a primarily.... (basketball I guess) school, where football is probably less important than the pre- and post- games for most students.
ASU beat U of A last year....
I was at that game. Great finish for my Sun Devils. Both missed XPs were more because of the defense.
Both blocked, neither missed. It was a miracle finish but the defense definitely had something to do with it.
I'm not sure if low expectations would be a good thing. It's clear that RR needs a strong DC to succeed, but if UA doesn't expect much from its football program, will it be willing to pay market value for a good DC?
Offensive Desert Swarm to come?
I think he's got to be more concerned about Defensive Desert Shield at this point.
I hope these reports are false.
I hope he brings Greg.
He knows how not to go about things this time around, that's for sure.
Love to see him re-establish himself as a premier coach.
He took over a lousy team, won three games, then five, then seven. He said we were about to be really good this year with everybody coming back. Everyone said he was full of shit, that he had done a lousy job recruiting, that attrition was going to screw us over, that his players were too small to even compete in the Big Ten, that he didn't recruit defensive players, etc., etc.
Lo and behold here we are sitting at 9-2, could quite easily be 11-0, and people still act like he drove our program into the ground. And next year we still bring back our record setting QB, a 1,000 yard rusher, a versatile 3rd down back, a stud fullback, four starters on the offensive line, two starting wideouts (plus hopefully Stonum), and 8 starters on defense (plus guys like Campbell, Cam Gordon, Beyer, Hawthorne), all of whome (save for Stonum) committed and/or signed to play for Rich Rodriguez.
He built a fantastic team while everybody bitched and moaned, then told every one of them to stay even after the school and the fans treated him like shit. Maybe things would have gone differently this year if he'd stayed but the folks who assumed the worst about every other aspect of the job he did don't really have a leg to stand on at this point. The least we can do is say "Thank you" for where we're at today (in position to have our best season in over a decade with a win Saturday and another in early January).
Facts: Gary Moeller was the head coach at Illnois for three years in the late 1970's. During that time he posted a record of 6-24-3 (for a winning percentage of .181, far below the school's historical average of .522). He only won 3 Big Ten games. Each year he finished in 9th place in the Big Ten. He was promptly fired.
Ten years later he replaced Bo as the head coach at Michigan. In his first three seasons on the job he posted a record of 29-5-3 (for a winning percentage of .783, above the school's already high historical average of .735). He only lost 2 Big Ten games during that span. Each year he finished 1st in the Big Ten (though once he did share the conference title). He never finished a season as low as 9th...in the entire country. He went to two Rose Bowls and won one of them.
Question: Please explain how this is possible.
Aren't we starting 3 freshmen and bringing in 2 or 3 others on a regular basis?
Blake Countess (a blue chip recruit who committed to play for RR a few weeks before he was fired) is starting because he beat out Courtney Avery (a starter at the end of last year), Talbott (contributed as a freshman), three other freshman DB's, presumably would have beaten out Cullen Christian, and is probably having a better year at the position than Woolfolk who has been moved to safety and/or nickle back. He is the only freshman who is a regular contributor in the secondary outside of garbage time and he didn't start to play regularly until the middle of the season.
Last year C. Gordon, T. Gordon, Vinopal, Johnson, Christian, Talbott, and Avery all logged meaningful minutes because there was literally no one else on the roster to play in the secondary. After Woolfolk's injury, James Rogers (who had never played before) was the only upperclassman on the team.
Desmond Morgan is splitting time with a junior (both have started five games and have virtually identical numbers) in a position that was manned by a 5th year senior in the season opener (Herron) who subsequently was injured. Jake Ryan was thrust into the lineup after arguably our biggest playmaker from a year ago (Cam Gordon) suffered an injury and it seems has been able to hold him off since his return to health (assuming Gordon is healthy since he contributes on special teams). In addition to beating out other freshman linebackers, those two are also playing ahead of guys like Mike Jones (RS sophomore, was scheduled to start going into last season before injury) and JB Fitzgerald (senior, former 4-star recruit).
There is a big difference between playing because you are the best man for the job and playing because there is nobody else available on the team.
You still have to coach those players in a coherent manner. That was the problem with last years tire fire. Credit where credits due, but to think this would be happening with Rodriguez coaching is a wild assumption.
how you feel. Is it necessary to rehash it in every thread with RR in the title?
Look at the fundamentals of the team compared to last year. How many freshman play significant time on the defense this year as well?
that he recruited here.
It's funny, I read an AP account of this RR to Arizona story, and they pointed out that while he had turbulent years here, now the same team he recruited is 9-2, indicating that he left the program is good shape. Funny that outside people have a balanced perspective that some M fans lack.
anybody said he recruited bad players. I believe the main issue was the lack of teaching.
If you look at this year, we have at least 4 freshman that get significant time on defense. The youth argument on defense (from last year) doesn't hold much water at this point looking at what's been done this season.
People bad mouthed Rodriguez's recruiting efforts on defense the entire time he was here. They viewed player attrition (even by guys who had no chance of seeing the field) as a sign of shitty coaching and a poor attitude. Brandon even mentioned these things in his evaluation list as if they were clearly damning to the job Rodriguez had done.
Chris Spielman last year said all our players only had the talent to be back-ups at Indiana, save Mike Martin. On Saturday he attributed the presence of Morgan, Ryan, and Countess to the recruiting efforts of our new staff, despite the fact that all three committed to play for Rodriguez (and Ryan did so over a year before Hoke was hired). He said we have "the same players" that he had criticized a year earlier, but never once felt the need to point out where a player's massive physical shortcomings were dooming the team to failure.
The fact that the people who bitched about this for three years have all now decided that Rodriguez did a damn fine job recruiting on defense but just happened to suck at coaching his awesome players is an argument of total convenience.
I doubt we'd be 9-2 if RR was still around this year, and I thought he deserved another year. With GERG at the helm, there's no way the D would be nearly as good as it is this year (although our O could possibly be putting up more points with RR callings the plays). Granted, the D would have been somewhat better with players maturing, learning, etc., but GMAT and co. are obviously better coaches/teachers than GERG and co., and it's showing on the field.
There is a reason Mattison is making 4 times the money GERG was. The fact is we've only played three games that were remotely competitive all year though. Our record is 1-2 in those games (and the one required two miracle comebacks). It is a little harsh in my mind to assume our record would be worse with Rodriguez and a substantial monetary investment in the defensive coaching staff from the powers that be at Michigan. But that isn't the point. What Rich Rodriguez's exact record would be this year is just a baseless mental exercise.
My frustration comes from listening to people who were wrong for three years about the talent level we were accumulating on both sides of the ball refusing to acknowledge their error, and instead viewing our improvement on one side of the ball as the result of magical coaching, after previously arguing that such improvement was impossible and that the defense faced a massive, multi-year rebuilding process after three years of subpar recruiting and massive player attrition.
The fact is we are way better off than when he took the job. We are also better off than we were in Lloyd Carr's last season (when we went 8-4 in the regular season and lost to a 1-AA team). With all the starters returning next year, we are potentially looking at the best two year stretch the program has seen in quite some time. You just don't go 9-2 and blow out 3/4 of your opponents if the guy in charge was screwing up for three years. The fact that people are now using the team's success this year to confirm that indeed he was screwing up is completely ridiculous.
I would upvote you if I had the privilege. Pretty much sums up my sentiments.
I'm with you on all of that.
I think we'd be standing very close record-wise to where we are right now, even if we still had GERG running the show. Give us a new DC (Randy Shannon in the ultimate prove-it year? Casteel? FCS DC X?) and maybe we're 11-0. But it didn't happen that way.
But you can't discount the defensive improvement under Hoke/Mattison. And you can't discount some of the losses under Rodriguez:
Toledo, Purdue 08'.
Illinois, Purdue 09'.
Penn State 10'.
Win those five games, and I think he's still the coach. Maybe with the momenteum we win a couple more. But he didn't do enough to solidify the position.
Regardless - and a lot of the negative posters on there, the same ones who said we would be lucky to be 7-5 this year because they hated Rodriguez and bought into all the media drivel and don't understand how the dynamic of a team works will disagree - he left the program better than he found it.
I think we would have been in good hands with Rodriguez and I think we're in good hands now with Hoke. The only part that grinds on me is the portion of the fanbase and Michigan footbal family who are celebrating the success of a team of Rodriguez guys after they abandoned the team during Rodriguez's tenure.
He also hired (thanks to some sweet financial backing) the best staff in college football as far as I'm concerned. The future is in great hands, but I agree with you, the present wouldn't be anywhere close to this good if Rich Rodriguez didn't do a great job rebuilding a team that was in pretty awful shape by the time he coached his first game in the Big House.
He deserves thanks for his service, but not the results. A guy can't take over a team, not be able to keep the really talented guys on the roster or at least interested, then claim he took over a lousy team. That's not true. He did a forced immolation of what he had. Hoke went about it the opposite way.
Down in Arizona, Rich can tear the program up to his hearts content and the fans will be patient. It's a way better fit than it ever was here.
Really that $1.5 million dollar buyout is all the thanks that is necessary. Beyond that, how much credit he deserves for this year is based on a lot more speculation than anything. When we are out-talented against the likes of Iowa, Illinois and State, it's hard to convince me he did that well for Michigan. That aspect of it showed no sign of improving; especially on defense.
How are we out-talented by those three teams?
Such bold statements need to be explained.
Obviously he had recruited talented players. Unfortunately, not all of those players were being coached to their full potential.
I wish RR well, but hope he hires a solid staff around him.
Besta luck RR at Arizona. Would be fun to play them in a Rose Bowl in a couple years!
Kind of the perfect fit - low expectations, freedom to do whatever he wants with the program, great access to all the California prospects and he gets to play Colorado every year (free win!).
Hope he does well. Best to RR!
He is not a west coast recruiter, not that he can't be. Suppose Gibson shows up as well?
I think he will be able to recruite offense no problem. When you have Pat White and Denard Robinson on your resume, HS dual threat quarterbacks should be knocking on his door.
Additionally, the hot Arizona sun should help wear down defenses when they run their spread attack. Wont have to run the spread in the cold weather much either.
For RR sake I hope not.
will never forget Rich Rodriguez.
If Rodriguez could get a pipeline of South Florida kids who had never seen snow before to play at Meeechigan, I have little doubt he'll be just fine with his Southeast recruiting while at AZ.
No that's Arizona state, and I think threet hung up his cleats from multiple concussions.
He retired due to multiple concussions. He is still very involved with the program and acts as a mentor/coach. He works with them fulltime and travels with the team as well.
Threet is at ASU. NOT uofa.
Threet transferred to ASU but then "retired" from football midway through last season after several concussions.
Threat's at ASU
Good for him. If he can get a good DC, he'll succeed. The PAC-12 is pretty weak outside Oregon. And don't say USC; the sanctions will really hurt them in the near future.
best of luck to him. he's an honest and decent man.
to root for the Wildcats. I hope this is true and that he has great success (just not in the Rose Bowl at Michigan's expense).
As a michigan fan living in Tucson, I'll instantly start following the WIldcats much closer if he is hired. Our group of UM fans in Tucson are very excited by this news, we're hoping it pans out!
+1 for Tyrone Biggums!
Calling it now: 4 years from now Michigan defeats Alabama for the national championship, while RichRod triumps over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.
Mmmmm how delicious would it be to see him beat OSU or MSU in a Rose Bowl? That would provide trash talk fodder for a good year or so.
It would be an awesome New Years afternoon for sure...but more than a little bittersweet I'd expect.
RichRod tearing OSU and causing Urban to hook up with a few more grad assts out of sheer rage... awesome.
This would be enjoyable! I would +1 you if I could
Good news. I'll be pulling for him. Tough place to build a powerhouse, but right now the Pac-12 South ain't much to speak of except for USC, so there's opportunity.
Maybe now we can quit fighting about him and turn our attention to hating Ohio.
Out of the open jobs (UCLA, Arizona, Tulane, Ole Miss, a few others) outside the Big 10, this is the best fit and the program with the highest ceiling. UCLA doesn't even have an on-campus facility (the Rose Bowl is like 30 minutes away) and doesn't seem to have admin support, while Arizona is expanding their stadium (including, apparently a huge video board) but not ridiculously so. Plus, they have a spread QB already on the roster (Matt Scott).
All that said, we'll see whom he hires as a Def Coordinator.
I think he'll do well, though if you look, it's not like the roster is currently littered with 4 stars and above. It will take a little time, but here's hoping it works out and we eventually beat him in the Rose Bowl.
30 minutes? Maybe at 3 in the morning. You can't get 10 miles from UCLA in 30 minutes when the sun's up. That's a solid hour drive, maybe more depending on what else is going on.
I think he was talking about the team jet.
So the "LA" in WolvinLA2 doesn't stand for Louisiana?
isn't UNC going to be open at the end of the year?
Probably, if you like looking down the barrel of the sanctions gun.
He'll do well for three reasons. (1) Chip Kelly et al. are proof that his offense can be wildly successful in conference. (2) He's a gifted recruiter and he'll have no trouble convincing kids to come to Tucson. (3) I may be going out on a limb here, but I doubt that he'll be bringing gerg with him.
in your logic is that the RR offensive is => Chip Kelly spread offense. After watching the RR UofM spread offense for a couple of years and watching the Ducks play, Oregon seems to have a more evolved and diverse version of the spread, IMHO. I think the biggest thing that will be the key to success for RR will be if he can humble himself and take a hard and honest look at his performance here at UofM and change the things that really impacted his ability to succeed here (poor defense, poor position coaches/staff, his "anger" issues, media relations, etc.)
on your Chip Kelly/RR comparison.
I think Ole Miss or another southern school would be better, but I'll root for him at AZ regardless.
Ole Miss has great football tradition, but they simply can't keep up in the recruiting and facilities arms race of their SEC neighbors, and expectations are way higher there than AZ.
I think AZ is a much better fit for Rodriguez, as even sniffing at a BCS bowl or conference championship would be considered an amazing success rather than an expectation.
Maybe another southern school, but not Ole Miss. Why go to the SEC West?
Considering that the Pac-12 Doesn't play much defense, looks like a good fit for RR. I wish him the best, although I hope to stomp on them in the Rose Bowl sometime in the next few years.
Recruiting in the west should be quite interesting for RR...
Yep, now I actually have a West Coast team to cheer for. It was getting boring cheering against all of them.
i cant wait to see Rich Rod v. Chip Kelly spread-off
If Chip Kelly can last long enough for RR to get a recruiting class or two in. That recruiting service stuff has the possibility to end Kelly's tenure up in Eugene.
That game will feature the most plays ran in NCAA history fergodsakes.
More likely the quickest game in NCAA history.
At least someone to cheer for out in the Pac 10. Good luck to him, I wish him the best.
i'll be rooting for him. once in the family, always in the family.
Good for him! I wish nothing but the best for Rich in Arizona. If he can get a competent defensive coordinator we may be meeting up with him in the Rose Bowl soon.
I hope he builds a giant killer in AZ and destroys the "men of troy" and the Nike nitwits at Autzen Stadium. I really want to see Rich succeed against everyone, but us. I'd love it if knocked Mile s and Saban down a few pegs as well.
RR will do well there once he gets his guys and hopefully as good DC and lets him do his job. Hopefully he learned his experience here that he must hire a good DC and let HIM coach the defense.
I am very, very happy for Rich Rod. Zona will give him the opportunity to install his program, and watered down Pac Ten will give him the opportunity to succeed. Plus, this is about as far away from Ann Arbor as you can get him.
Bear down, Arizona! I'm rooting for you and Coach Rod.
but upside high. Perfect situation, and I wish RR and Rita the best.
West Coast backyard recruiting and his Florida connections give him a great place to start from. Hell, I bet he could go after Demar Dorsey if he were so inclined. Great landing spot for him.
Given the different types of targets Hoke and RR go after, maybe we can set up a nice little recruit trade to give him a Michigan pipeline that he never wanted and get ourselves some Southwest action. I'll give you a Bruce Lee and a Jackie Chan for an Arnold Schwarzenegger and an Andre the Giant.
Guys my friend said that Rich Rod was a good head coach at Michigan. I started laughing him, what do you all think? Is he a good coach?
If Rich Rod goes to Arizona, how long will it take for Tate to transfer there? Wonder if Tate would have to sit out a year since he sat out this year.
the probability that Rodriguez pursues Tate is somewhere between 0 and Bolivian.
Tate spent 0 hours in the film room in 2009, and Rodriguez was apoplectic with his lack of preparation and off-script decisions on the field. No reunion in store for them, I would bet.
Do you guys think rich rod is a good coach? My friend thinks he is awesome
Have you read any of this thread so far?
Also, your friend sounds a lot smarter than you.
not necessarily smarter just older. I think the poster is 8 and his friend is 11.
Oh man, I hadn't thought of the Arizona-Oregon match up. People who talk about basketball on grass ain't seen nothin' yet.
Assuming this becomes official, does anyone know the last Michigan head coach to take another college job after leaving Michigan? I know Moeller coached in the NFL for a bit after leaving but I can't think of anyone coaching in college after leaving Michigan.
Michigan HC 1924, Wisconsin HC 1925-26.
Wish him the absolute best
sources say Urban Meyer is heading to OSU.
If the Three and Out book did anything for me, it showed me that Rich Rod wasn't the bad guy he was built up to be and knows his stuff but was never helped to succeed. I still think Hoke is the right guy for the job, but I hope RR re-establishes himself and does well, whether it be Arizona or wherever. Get a D Co-ordinator and let him run it his way and he could very well turn a program around, espeially if he's got a decent running QB right off the bat. He won't need four years to turn it around.
I'll always be hoping he finds success at Arizona. Would have been great if he'd succeeded more quickly here, but best of luck to him at AZ.
Glad it isn't a usual opponent for us, because I know he'll be successful again, though I guess baggage in the Big East and Big 10 country would have probably been too much for a team to gamble on him (and still be worth the career risk to him given program quality) in those parts of the country.
Good luck to him. Hopefully the Arizona media treats him well and I hope he gets a good defensive coordinator.
putting up with the winters in A2, I imagine he'll have little trouble talking them into Tuscon. He'll get his athletes, his slot ninjas, and eventually his new Denard/Pat White. He'll be the new fun team to watch in the Pac-whatever by 2014. And a previous poster is right-- Oregon-Arizona games will be really be something to see.
Good luck Coach Rod. Hope you talk the Arizona AD into opening the wallet for a decent D coordinator this time. I'd frisk that sucker for a stuffed beaver at the interview if I was you.
AD / wallets / d coaches
Yeah I'm sure he's learned his lesson about that. He'll search high and low for the best D coaches he can get...
I like the guy and believe he is an incredible offensive mind, but I'm not sure how successful he can be. I think the ceiling at Arizona will be an occasional run at a Pac-12 South crown. Unless he can get a Denard/White level talent (these guys don't grow on trees), he'll have a tough time winning more than 6-8 games. It doesn't help, as people have said, that the west coast is not his recruiting area of expertise. Plus, Arizona is not a huge draw for coaching talent, so it'll be tough for him to get the defensive coordinator he needs to make some noise.
Arizona will likely have a rough transition year next year and, depending on the offensive talent, have a chance to be relevant in their weak division, but Rich has an uphill battle ahead. Best of luck... still happier with Hoke now though.
I think he'll find success there, and I'm happy he's landed in a place that's a good fit for him. I can't imagine he'll face the dysfunction that "Three and Out" mentioned in both Michigan and West Virginia, just because I'm pretty sure people care less about football at Arizona. Good luck, Rod - we'll see you in the Rose Bowl in a few.
Is gonna get a run for its money. I suspect bean dip grows on vines out there.
Thank you again for all your hard work here and good luck in the PAC 12. Maybe you can make it Oregon south?
Good fit. No one in the Pac-12 really knows what defense is either.
What you're saying is, this will be the last RR thread EVER.
Just wait til we play against RR in a bowl game. The SDSU game was a portent of things to come...
And John Blake deserved credit for what Stoops did and Zook for what Meyer did and Paul Hackett for what Pete Carroll did and David Shula for Saban's success and on and on.
It doesn't work that way. Hoke and his staff and these players are the only ones who can claim credit. That's reality. If this was due to Rich's players, then why isn't Hoke recruiting 3 star defensive guys or combing Florida for undersized backs and receivers? It is way easier to find those guys. He isn't because he knows that's a recipe for a half dozen big ten wins in 3 seasons.
The truth is that this season Hoke has coached up the type of players he wouldn't have recruited if he were in charge and won't be recruiting in the future. He honored the Rich Rod verbals because he had to in the 2011 class, but I figure he would have not recruited those guys either.
Rich is a good coach in the right situation. He was a pretty lousy coach in a bad situation he mostly engineered up here. I think he'll do well in Arizona and the fans there will be much more patient than fans were here.
In regards to transitions in "Bo's Lasting Lessons", Bo himself gives a lot of credit to his predecessor in regards to leaving him with talent...as well as stating that one of the most important things he did in his tenure was leave Gary Moeller with a high quality team.
And let's be serious here: Ryan, Beyer, Morgan and Countess are all RR freshmen and RS freshmen who are getting serious playing time this year...but you are saying Hoke wouldn't have recruited them because he wouldn't have found them talented enough. Yet, when Hoke arrived, he was busy poaching guys from Vanderbilt and Minnesota?
So I'm gonna side with Bo and facts and say you're wrong.
Look, I love our players and think that are playing awesome football, but let's not make it like RR left an overwhelming talent pool. The fact that our team is so awesome is purely on the coaching and on the effort that these players - some of whom looked lost in the field last year - put in.
Think about it - hoke has taken the same players that rr said that lombardi couldn't win with and turned them into a very good team.
We are still woefully thin at both lines, lacking a true top receiver (although hemmingway is really good) and until 3 weeks ago didn't have a running back capable making defenses pay for keying in on Denard. On defense, we returned a corned who couldn't find his way home with a gps (Floyd), a slow walkon safety, and a ragtag group of who dat underclassmen in the secondary. Thats what hoke inherited. And he turned the lost corner into a shut down stud. The slow walk on will be all big ten. And th who dat rest of the secondary is playing great football. Oh, and the defense - again largely the identical players as last year - has gone from one of the worst ever to one of the best in college football. Even the offense, which last year couldn't do anything against the better teams, just hung 45 on Nebraska, after dominating a very good illinois D.
Well, I have a new second favorite team.
Damnit! I was hoping UCLA would get him, I was also hoping to root for him at whatever school he ended up at, but I HATE Arizona. Still if he can turn Kiffin into his bitch he'll be doing gods work.
how does one hate Arizona? I feel like it's an odd thing to muster up ill will towards a football team that is so irrelevant.. is it because of another sport, or perhaps the state is too hot for you? I have to say, I'm interested.
HOKE! That is all.