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Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
If you're gonna go please be in the first round.
another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference
Facts: Gary Moeller was the head coach at Illnois for three years in the late 1970's. During that time he posted a record of 6-24-3 (for a winning percentage of .181, far below the school's historical average of .522). He only won 3 Big Ten games. Each year he finished in 9th place in the Big Ten. He was promptly fired.
Ten years later he replaced Bo as the head coach at Michigan. In his first three seasons on the job he posted a record of 29-5-3 (for a winning percentage of .783, above the school's already high historical average of .735). He only lost 2 Big Ten games during that span. Each year he finished 1st in the Big Ten (though once he did share the conference title). He never finished a season as low as 9th...in the entire country. He went to two Rose Bowls and won one of them.
Question: Please explain how this is possible.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
Aren't we starting 3 freshmen and bringing in 2 or 3 others on a regular basis?
"You're fat and you're mine". Bo to Dan Dierdorf.
Blake Countess (a blue chip recruit who committed to play for RR a few weeks before he was fired) is starting because he beat out Courtney Avery (a starter at the end of last year), Talbott (contributed as a freshman), three other freshman DB's, presumably would have beaten out Cullen Christian, and is probably having a better year at the position than Woolfolk who has been moved to safety and/or nickle back. He is the only freshman who is a regular contributor in the secondary outside of garbage time and he didn't start to play regularly until the middle of the season.
Last year C. Gordon, T. Gordon, Vinopal, Johnson, Christian, Talbott, and Avery all logged meaningful minutes because there was literally no one else on the roster to play in the secondary. After Woolfolk's injury, James Rogers (who had never played before) was the only upperclassman on the team.
Desmond Morgan is splitting time with a junior (both have started five games and have virtually identical numbers) in a position that was manned by a 5th year senior in the season opener (Herron) who subsequently was injured. Jake Ryan was thrust into the lineup after arguably our biggest playmaker from a year ago (Cam Gordon) suffered an injury and it seems has been able to hold him off since his return to health (assuming Gordon is healthy since he contributes on special teams). In addition to beating out other freshman linebackers, those two are also playing ahead of guys like Mike Jones (RS sophomore, was scheduled to start going into last season before injury) and JB Fitzgerald (senior, former 4-star recruit).
There is a big difference between playing because you are the best man for the job and playing because there is nobody else available on the team.
You still have to coach those players in a coherent manner. That was the problem with last years tire fire. Credit where credits due, but to think this would be happening with Rodriguez coaching is a wild assumption.
Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order because it is better organized.
how you feel. Is it necessary to rehash it in every thread with RR in the title?
Look at the fundamentals of the team compared to last year. How many freshman play significant time on the defense this year as well?
that he recruited here.
It's funny, I read an AP account of this RR to Arizona story, and they pointed out that while he had turbulent years here, now the same team he recruited is 9-2, indicating that he left the program is good shape. Funny that outside people have a balanced perspective that some M fans lack.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
anybody said he recruited bad players. I believe the main issue was the lack of teaching.
If you look at this year, we have at least 4 freshman that get significant time on defense. The youth argument on defense (from last year) doesn't hold much water at this point looking at what's been done this season.
People bad mouthed Rodriguez's recruiting efforts on defense the entire time he was here. They viewed player attrition (even by guys who had no chance of seeing the field) as a sign of shitty coaching and a poor attitude. Brandon even mentioned these things in his evaluation list as if they were clearly damning to the job Rodriguez had done.
Chris Spielman last year said all our players only had the talent to be back-ups at Indiana, save Mike Martin. On Saturday he attributed the presence of Morgan, Ryan, and Countess to the recruiting efforts of our new staff, despite the fact that all three committed to play for Rodriguez (and Ryan did so over a year before Hoke was hired). He said we have "the same players" that he had criticized a year earlier, but never once felt the need to point out where a player's massive physical shortcomings were dooming the team to failure.
The fact that the people who bitched about this for three years have all now decided that Rodriguez did a damn fine job recruiting on defense but just happened to suck at coaching his awesome players is an argument of total convenience.
I doubt we'd be 9-2 if RR was still around this year, and I thought he deserved another year. With GERG at the helm, there's no way the D would be nearly as good as it is this year (although our O could possibly be putting up more points with RR callings the plays). Granted, the D would have been somewhat better with players maturing, learning, etc., but GMAT and co. are obviously better coaches/teachers than GERG and co., and it's showing on the field.
There is a reason Mattison is making 4 times the money GERG was. The fact is we've only played three games that were remotely competitive all year though. Our record is 1-2 in those games (and the one required two miracle comebacks). It is a little harsh in my mind to assume our record would be worse with Rodriguez and a substantial monetary investment in the defensive coaching staff from the powers that be at Michigan. But that isn't the point. What Rich Rodriguez's exact record would be this year is just a baseless mental exercise.
My frustration comes from listening to people who were wrong for three years about the talent level we were accumulating on both sides of the ball refusing to acknowledge their error, and instead viewing our improvement on one side of the ball as the result of magical coaching, after previously arguing that such improvement was impossible and that the defense faced a massive, multi-year rebuilding process after three years of subpar recruiting and massive player attrition.
The fact is we are way better off than when he took the job. We are also better off than we were in Lloyd Carr's last season (when we went 8-4 in the regular season and lost to a 1-AA team). With all the starters returning next year, we are potentially looking at the best two year stretch the program has seen in quite some time. You just don't go 9-2 and blow out 3/4 of your opponents if the guy in charge was screwing up for three years. The fact that people are now using the team's success this year to confirm that indeed he was screwing up is completely ridiculous.
I would upvote you if I had the privilege. Pretty much sums up my sentiments.
I'm with you on all of that.
I think we'd be standing very close record-wise to where we are right now, even if we still had GERG running the show. Give us a new DC (Randy Shannon in the ultimate prove-it year? Casteel? FCS DC X?) and maybe we're 11-0. But it didn't happen that way.
But you can't discount the defensive improvement under Hoke/Mattison. And you can't discount some of the losses under Rodriguez:
Toledo, Purdue 08'.
Illinois, Purdue 09'.
Penn State 10'.
Win those five games, and I think he's still the coach. Maybe with the momenteum we win a couple more. But he didn't do enough to solidify the position.
Regardless - and a lot of the negative posters on there, the same ones who said we would be lucky to be 7-5 this year because they hated Rodriguez and bought into all the media drivel and don't understand how the dynamic of a team works will disagree - he left the program better than he found it.
I think we would have been in good hands with Rodriguez and I think we're in good hands now with Hoke. The only part that grinds on me is the portion of the fanbase and Michigan footbal family who are celebrating the success of a team of Rodriguez guys after they abandoned the team during Rodriguez's tenure.
He also hired (thanks to some sweet financial backing) the best staff in college football as far as I'm concerned. The future is in great hands, but I agree with you, the present wouldn't be anywhere close to this good if Rich Rodriguez didn't do a great job rebuilding a team that was in pretty awful shape by the time he coached his first game in the Big House.
He deserves thanks for his service, but not the results. A guy can't take over a team, not be able to keep the really talented guys on the roster or at least interested, then claim he took over a lousy team. That's not true. He did a forced immolation of what he had. Hoke went about it the opposite way.
Down in Arizona, Rich can tear the program up to his hearts content and the fans will be patient. It's a way better fit than it ever was here.
Really that $1.5 million dollar buyout is all the thanks that is necessary. Beyond that, how much credit he deserves for this year is based on a lot more speculation than anything. When we are out-talented against the likes of Iowa, Illinois and State, it's hard to convince me he did that well for Michigan. That aspect of it showed no sign of improving; especially on defense.
"because character wins in life and character wins on the football field....." 1-11-11
How are we out-talented by those three teams?
Such bold statements need to be explained.
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Obviously he had recruited talented players. Unfortunately, not all of those players were being coached to their full potential.
I wish RR well, but hope he hires a solid staff around him.
Besta luck RR at Arizona. Would be fun to play them in a Rose Bowl in a couple years!
Kind of the perfect fit - low expectations, freedom to do whatever he wants with the program, great access to all the California prospects and he gets to play Colorado every year (free win!).
Hope he does well. Best to RR!
Class of '97. Missed it by that much.
He is not a west coast recruiter, not that he can't be. Suppose Gibson shows up as well?
I think he will be able to recruite offense no problem. When you have Pat White and Denard Robinson on your resume, HS dual threat quarterbacks should be knocking on his door.
Additionally, the hot Arizona sun should help wear down defenses when they run their spread attack. Wont have to run the spread in the cold weather much either.
For RR sake I hope not.
will never forget Rich Rodriguez.
If Rodriguez could get a pipeline of South Florida kids who had never seen snow before to play at Meeechigan, I have little doubt he'll be just fine with his Southeast recruiting while at AZ.
"the team, the team, the team."
Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.
No that's Arizona state, and I think threet hung up his cleats from multiple concussions.
He retired due to multiple concussions. He is still very involved with the program and acts as a mentor/coach. He works with them fulltime and travels with the team as well.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
Threet is at ASU. NOT uofa.
Threet transferred to ASU but then "retired" from football midway through last season after several concussions.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
Threat's at ASU
Good for him. If he can get a good DC, he'll succeed. The PAC-12 is pretty weak outside Oregon. And don't say USC; the sanctions will really hurt them in the near future.
best of luck to him. he's an honest and decent man.
to root for the Wildcats. I hope this is true and that he has great success (just not in the Rose Bowl at Michigan's expense).
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
As a michigan fan living in Tucson, I'll instantly start following the WIldcats much closer if he is hired. Our group of UM fans in Tucson are very excited by this news, we're hoping it pans out!
+1 for Tyrone Biggums!
Calling it now: 4 years from now Michigan defeats Alabama for the national championship, while RichRod triumps over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.
Mmmmm how delicious would it be to see him beat OSU or MSU in a Rose Bowl? That would provide trash talk fodder for a good year or so.
It would be an awesome New Years afternoon for sure...but more than a little bittersweet I'd expect.
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RichRod tearing OSU and causing Urban to hook up with a few more grad assts out of sheer rage... awesome.
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This would be enjoyable! I would +1 you if I could
Good news. I'll be pulling for him. Tough place to build a powerhouse, but right now the Pac-12 South ain't much to speak of except for USC, so there's opportunity.
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Maybe now we can quit fighting about him and turn our attention to hating Ohio.
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
Out of the open jobs (UCLA, Arizona, Tulane, Ole Miss, a few others) outside the Big 10, this is the best fit and the program with the highest ceiling. UCLA doesn't even have an on-campus facility (the Rose Bowl is like 30 minutes away) and doesn't seem to have admin support, while Arizona is expanding their stadium (including, apparently a huge video board) but not ridiculously so. Plus, they have a spread QB already on the roster (Matt Scott).
All that said, we'll see whom he hires as a Def Coordinator.
I think he'll do well, though if you look, it's not like the roster is currently littered with 4 stars and above. It will take a little time, but here's hoping it works out and we eventually beat him in the Rose Bowl.
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.
30 minutes? Maybe at 3 in the morning. You can't get 10 miles from UCLA in 30 minutes when the sun's up. That's a solid hour drive, maybe more depending on what else is going on.
I think he was talking about the team jet.
So the "LA" in WolvinLA2 doesn't stand for Louisiana?
isn't UNC going to be open at the end of the year?
Probably, if you like looking down the barrel of the sanctions gun.
He'll do well for three reasons. (1) Chip Kelly et al. are proof that his offense can be wildly successful in conference. (2) He's a gifted recruiter and he'll have no trouble convincing kids to come to Tucson. (3) I may be going out on a limb here, but I doubt that he'll be bringing gerg with him.
in your logic is that the RR offensive is => Chip Kelly spread offense. After watching the RR UofM spread offense for a couple of years and watching the Ducks play, Oregon seems to have a more evolved and diverse version of the spread, IMHO. I think the biggest thing that will be the key to success for RR will be if he can humble himself and take a hard and honest look at his performance here at UofM and change the things that really impacted his ability to succeed here (poor defense, poor position coaches/staff, his "anger" issues, media relations, etc.)
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on your Chip Kelly/RR comparison.