I found it weird that he kept getting called for defensive holding. Turns out, he was just hugging everyone. Tough break.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I found it weird that he kept getting called for defensive holding. Turns out, he was just hugging everyone. Tough break.
1484 - You might set a record for the most upvotes in one day - all across the board you're stuff is fantastic.
You're on FIRE toaday.
What is the first rule about MGoPoints?
I thought that rule only applied to people whining about getting down-voted.....no? Not allowed to compliment either?
Either way-look at all his work today across the board-funny stuff.
I was just joking man.
you for your use of "toaday" Ribbit.
Noah Spence likes to party.
He was on the sidelines of the Orange Bowl...with glow sticks and vapor rub.
If my parents had found out I tested positive for ecstasy in my college days, they would NOT have gone out of their way to alleviate any repercussions. My dad probably would have made me smoke a whole carton of ecstasy!
My dad would publicly beat the shit out of me, and with good reason. A full ride to a top institution and he thinks he needs to do Molly?!
To be fair, Molly McGrath might be worth it.
homina homina homina
I did a lot of drugs in college... I thought that was what it was about? amirite?
but seriously, who didn't do drugs in college? I know that I at least smoked weed with 80% of the people I knew at UofM (I said knew, not hung around with: hung around with would be 99%, in fact I only can think of one person who didn't do any drugs.... one)... and we did all other forms of drugs as well, and we made it out fine...
I am rambling, but I just want to say that popping a molly isn't the end of the world and people criticising people for drug use are, mostly, hypocrites...
It would have been different if your mom and dad were relatively poor and you had a chance to make millions of dollars at your trade within a few years.
No amount of potential money should dictate morality and good parenting skills.
that isn't impacting by having money, some more or less on the scale, but clearly having money helps you raise kids better with all aspects except dealing with not having stuff or suffering.
Having money grants you privelege, which in turn keeps you an odds on favorite...
lack of money, and any non white skin, puts you at disadvantage...
ultimately the goals and objectives of parents are affected by their level of income...
right or wrong, this is fact.
I don't think publicly beating the shit out of your kid represents morality or good parenting skills.
I think publicly supporting your kid after they have taken an illegal substance is worse. The beating would be a disciplinary action, for being a detriment to society. Unlike what his parents are doing by trying to get him out of a punishment for committing a crime. What message does that send? What standard and guidelines does that send to their other kids?
yep, beating kids helps them make the right decisions...
I'd say I feel sorry for your spouse and kids but really I feel sorry for you cause you were probably beaten as a child.
'its not your fault'
'its not your fault'
I love this argument. So the kid took some Molly and got a suspension that, per the books, was too long. His parents helped him appeal it.
Who knows how they handled it behind closed doors? Hell, I found my way into some issues in the past. Parents would always step up to help out and then give me a scolding behind closed doors.
Certainly, though, your dad beating the shit out of you taught you morality and good parenting skills.
I was paraphrasing that "if" I would have done such, at a position that Spence is in, that he would in fact not support me publicly, but go to great lengths using a public beating as an example to show his disappointment. All tongue and cheek, but if you want to assume that his parents are scolding him behind closed doors, be my guest. But more likely, they aren't and like what you mentioned previously, the potential to have their son make money in the NFL is their focus point, and not being good parents. Having money doesn't make you inherently a better parent. If that was the case, only about 15% of the wealthiest Americans would have decent parents. It is about being disciplined and setting a good standard. My parents raised me to have enough morality to not be a Kanye fan.
Not sure how one smokes ecstasy...and I didn't think it came in cartons, but rather wrapped in tin foil
Only a trace amount of ecstasy was found in Noah Spence's blood. Spence said the ecstasy was slipped into his drink during a house party, and he didn't take it voluntarily.
Not that I completely believe that story, but that's why the family is appealing.
Ectasy as a performance-enhancing drug?
Maybe for Ron Jeremy.
Clearly you have never danced with Molly. Anyone who has knows that stuff doesn't enhance your performance in bed. Quite the opposite, actually. You'd be quite content to just lay there and have a woman rub you down with a feather.
Clearly you are correct.
My recreational drug use largely ended in 1981 when I graduated and I dont think it had been invented yet or at least wasnt in my circle of friends. We largely contained our partaking to pot (possession of less than two ounces in AA was a $5.00 fine back then) and coke (back then it wasn't considered addictive at all. Just made you talk a lot).
I'm not addicted to coke, I just like the smell of it.
Maybe if they played some dub step or hardstyle from the sidelines, Spence would just be going nuts on everybody
Marijuana is not performance enhancing either but players are suspended for using it all the time.
Even if I'm inclined to agree with you, I can't imagine a world in which the NCAA/B1G would let drug use slide while it's still illegal.
The standard is actually still illegal. Very few states have adopted the legalization of marijuana. Also, while excessive alcohol consumption is indeed more dangerous than spoking weed, it also comes with punishment.
For the record, I think marijuana should be legalized in all states. I rarely smoke it (only a few times every year or two). For the time being, however, most states still outlaw it. I think the government could earn more money by taxing the shit out of marijuana if each state legalizes (yet regulates) it. Legalizing it would allow law enforcement officials to focus on fighting more dangerous drugs...like ECSTASY.
Colorado is a member insitution of the NCAA (i.e. abides by their rules) ergo one cannot smoke weed and claim it's legal so they shouldnt get in trouble.
It's the same argument as being fired by your workplace for a postive test. Effectively a workplace can regulate your personal life by saying if you test postive for X, then bam your gone. Just because it's legal doesnt mean you get free reign to do it.
would really hinder the fight against obesity in America.
This is the dumbest argument I've read on the board this week.
Ecstacy is not a legal drug. He failed the drug test that he knew he may have to take. That's it.
Using that logic, I think all players under the age of 21 should be suspended for a year if they are caught using alcohol. Maybe even two years. Maybe they should just be kicked out of school. After all, it's an arbitrarily illegal substance for everyone under 21 and each student knows that and should be subjected to an equally arbitrary punishment.
All hail the B1G!!! All hail arbitrary means of control!!!
You're trying way too hard to put underage drinking, a misdemeanor offense, in the same conversation as ecstasy, which possession of is a 5th degree felony.
My point is illustrated by your varying levels of offense. I don't condone the use of hard drugs and I've never used ecstacy, I'm just amused by the arbitrary punishment doled out to people by the "powers that be" often times for the sake of appearances and not fairness.
While I conceed the need for order, it blows my mind the punishment people recieved under the banner of "War On Drugs" for offenses related to marijuana. Can you imagine having a weed growing on your yard and out of curiosity, smoking said weed to see what the fuss was all about? Can you imagaine going to prison for doing that? It's happened in the past.
Taking out of the equation any talk about legalizing drugs or that they are in any way beneficial, I find it ridiculous that athletes (Ricky Williams) are penalized by organizations for the use of a non-performance enhancing drug. Smoking weed has nothing to do with the game, and I don't see how any league should have the authority over that. You could argue that the team itself (or whomever owns the actual players contract) should have the right to punish a player if the owner can prove that the players performance is negatively affected by the substance (and I woudln't disagree with that right), bu that's a seperate discussion entirely.
Ultimately, my point is that we have far too many laws that are put in place solely for the sake of having a law. These laws are often based on feelings and not objective research or evidence. What I'm saying has nothing to do with drinking or taking drugs. It's about authority heads trying to assert control over anything they can, while not spending the time to really evaluate what's actually happening or the fairness and/or rightness of their punishment. Hence the big disparity in punishment. Remember when Denard Robinson had his neck vilently twisted while helplessly under a pile during the MSU game? What do you think deserves more punishment: The malicious intent to physically hurt someone (potentially permanantly) or some kid ignorantly taking a potentially harmful recreational drug while at a party? The B1G originally thought the kid at a party should be suspended for an entire year but the asshole maliciously trying to hurt defensless players didn't deserve any sort of punishment until he actually threw a punch in that same game and then only gave him a one game suspension.
To the MGOSpelling Nazis on the board, I apologize beforehand for any misspelled words and/or improper grammer. Also, you can suck it.
Show me fairness and/or rightness of the punishment based on objective evidence or research and I will show you an arbitrary law.
The Law says it's much worse than alcohol, doesn't mean it is.
We the Sheeple.
edit: Why does the threadin always get all screwy? This was in reply to dude who argued that alcohol is a misdemeanor, while ecstacy is a felony.
While I'm not condoning the use of ecstasy, I'm willing to bet that there has been considerably more tragedy caused by alcohol (by a lot) than by ecstacy, yet according to Center Ice, the possesion of ecstacy is a "5th degree felony" and alcohol is completely legal. Hence my calling it "arbitrary control".
Cripes, 5th degree felony? How many degrees of felonies are there?
If 2 people get in a fight at a football game are they high from weed or are they drunk? They're drunk. No why they're not on weed? Because it's fucking impossible, that's why.
regardless of whether you think that drugs or certain drugs should be illegal, i don't see why it's unreasonable to condition a scholarship and/or playing time on compliance with the law, including laws against illegal drugs. there are of course reasonable exceptions, but since there's no need to use ectasy, i don't have a problem with this suspension.
Because that would mean that there's no room for student athletes to party it up and live irresponsibly. It would mean that they are being forced to prepare for their transition into the real world and become decent, functioning members of society...and that's just ridiculous.
The American Bar Association:
"The Spence family says they also plan to file a lawsuit against the Big 10."
Suing for lost wages?
So wait... Suing because your kid messed up? Oh right, the American way! I messed up, deserve to get paid! (And in this case recoup lost wages!)
when the US Attorney gets a copy of his transcript in which he admits the use of ecstasy and decides to use it to criminally prosecute him? Or does he plan on taking the 5th when his deposition is taken? If he admits use of the drug under oath, he may miss more than a year. Some people don't know when to sit down and shut up!
I think it's safe to assume that the US Atty office has more important fish to fry.
The BIG thinks ecstasy is a performance-enhancing drug? #halol
If you've ever been to a rave and seen the chicks with the glow sticks, you may change your opinion. One could argue that E would allow you to train harder because you can't stop moving. Of course, you wouldn't be able to focus clearly on the training, so it may include spinning in circles and hugging people. Any of you Par-Core or Crossfit people feel free to try to workout on E and let us know the results.
It's way too good to be putting in randoms cups. What a BS excuse. Pretty dumb to get caught by something that stays in your system for a day or two.
While I doubt that's what happened with Spence, I've known people who would spike random people's drinks with LSD. So you never know
LSD was $2-$6 / hit. X was $20-$40. Don't know what the prices are now, but those are 1992 rates.
I miss the 90's.
Wow, LSD is a very powerful drug. That's an F'd up thing to do to somebody.
Two of my buddies woke up one morning, had some bad breath, ate some mints, and went to class...
said mints were dosed with LSD. One friend was used to it and enjoyed his day, the other friend had no clue and wigged the fuck out...
Point: Accidental dosing does happen
Yeah the "I was dosed" line is what people who don't want to take accountability say when they want to cover up their drug use. Enjoy the smarties Noah!
He failed a drug test. What are they going to sue the Big Ten for? It sounds like a lot of wasted money to me.
If it's like most other failed drug tests lawsuits I've seen, they'll probably try to claim the drug test was bungled by whoever administered it.
To his defense, he didn't go to college to play school. He went there to party hard and fight mailboxes.
It was either fight it or hump it, and the cops we're mad about that with the kiddy turtle sandbox...
Should' have been involved in a murder instead. ESPN looks past that on job applications.
Is he still allowed in the "Circle of Trust"?
and this is a prime example of whats wrong with kids these days. A kid gets caught doing drugs and his parents. Instead of letting him face the consequences of his actions and take responsibility for his mistake, they try and sue... or claim they will sue. Just plain goofy in my opinion
It's like the parents are on drugs or something.
Can't agree more. People need to just accept that they screwed up and move on with their lives.
Agree with everything except "these days". Maybe you were just around great parents all your life, but covering up for your kids and refusing to believe they did something wrong is hardly a new concept.
on ecstasy is hilarious. I picture it with the music from the Always Sunny ecstasy episode playing in the background.
that this goes way beyond college kids just being college kids.
I don't recommend using ecstasy, but this seems like a pretty typical thing for a college kid.
And not being a smart ass...I'm honestly somewhat sheltered from these things. Lifetime in the military, AFA grad (in the early 90s) and work on an AF base now. I don't really have any exposure to it at all. BUT, even if I hadn't gone that route in college and life, I was never ever tempted to try illegal drugs. The only illegal thing I did was drink under age...which, in my definition, is more of the "college kids being college kids."
I think this is reasonably common, which isn't to say it's good. I think he should be suspended for a couple of games, but I don't think people should view Spence as some sort of criminally-inclined person for this (not that you were advocating this). Many, many people have no doubt used ecstasy and gone on to lead constructive lives.
I think I simply have the misconception that ecstasy is a "hard core" drug, which it sounds like it isn't. Live and learn.
I'm not a doctor, but it can definitely cause terrible damage, both short and long term (short term damage seems to come from overheating and the occassional heart attack). I would certainly be worried if I had a kid who used it*...That said, I think ecstasy is more likely to be something someone uses once or only a few times, which is why I, fwiw, would be less concerned if my kid was caught with it than if he/she were caught with, say, cocaine...If Spence tested positive for it a second time, I would be a lot more concerned for him.
*The fact that I thought about this makes me feel older than I was five minutes ago.
Didn't mean to make you feel older. I'll send over a fifth of Scotch and some weed and you'll be good to go.
It was my understanding that drugs were pretty common in military too. It just comes down to the person and who they hang out with. I agree with Erik ecstacy is pretty hardcore and dangerous but doesn't have the same habits as other hardcore drugs
I was a pilot and never dealt with it regarding most flyers, officer or enlisted.
Urban's gonna Urb!
My drug dealer wouldn't lie to me. Why would he lie to me? He is a good guy, right?
MGoBlog's hidden gem is that I learn so much that has nothing to do with sports from the many commenters.
Most annoying drug ever.
His dream was to be on Dancing with the Stars, and he thought he could quicken the process with "performance enhancing drugs".
This paints a vastly different picture than the Columbus Dispatch did late last week when the suspension first came to light. As I recall, their sources had told them that Spence had used an unapproved dietary supplement. All the same, this definitely underscores the idea that accepting drinks of unknown origin at a party may not be the best idea.
People were having a shit that he was suspended at all. Blamed the NCAA for not taking action which resulted in Urban having to lay down the law. Unbelievably one-sided Fanbase that can't see anything but scarlet and grey.
Those are just the tracers.
He was using it for depression and other medical reasons. When on his meds he is the life of the party. You cannot take that away from him.
"Officer I don't know how all that alcohol got in my system it must have been in that open drink I took from a stranger. "
good luck with that lawsuit. on the one hand, i'd love to be the defense attorney on that case because it's an easy one. on the other, i probably wouldn't have to work on it for very long, so it wouldn't be a great billable.
I'm really surprised testing positive for ecstasy is only a three game suspension. I'd have a hard time keeping this guy on the team.
It's probably because he's really good.
Fitz was suspended for less after being caught driving drunk. Should he have been kicked off the team?
no to Spence....
According to the article. They got it down to the three games on appeal. That may be in part to him being good at football, I'm not that naive. However, it may also be because he was Academic All B1G and, to my knowledge, has had no other discipline/team rule problems before and so it was a first offense.
As for his parents suing, if you had a kid who had never lied to you about something like this before and you believed had his head on straight, I would hope you would believe him. Yes, it sounds like a weak excuse and is going to be damn hard to prove unless someone comes forward to confess (and even then I know folks will think that the confessor is lying to help the Buckeye cause.) I'm not sure I would sue, I don't really see what that gets them, but maybe they know more than I do.
Would have been way more funny if he would have tested positive for Extenze!
Noah Spence: bringing the juice in a whole new way.
Is a joke. Better yet I don't think Urban was going to suspend him.
When I saw the title I laughed out loud. Ecstasy? Come on man, you are on track to be a first/second rounder and you're gonna do ecstasy? Urbz continuing to mold some quality men down there..
I thought 'not doing drugs' was on the ohio wall of higher morals? If not, I guess it should be now. Sometimes you need that daily reminder.
I think this is what he's alleging- drink spiked at a party.
Whoops- replying to #23
as the fan base. So, there must be something in the water supply in Columbus.
According to Spence, that something in the water supply is a nice dose of E.
So we get all the details on Spence, but no news source can figure out what Max Bullough did yet? How odd.
Seeing how the Spence details were released by his father, we will find out about Bullough as soon as his family decides to talk about it.
Or when it leaks from the NFL that there were concerns about the nature of his positive test.
Urbz gonna Urbz !!!
His father says "Noah had unknowingly been slipped a small amount of the drug ecstasy in a drink he had accepted at a party."
It's not like he's been robbing taxi cab drivers with a pellet gun in Ypsilanti.
If true, hope he gets help he needs and shakes this. So we can beat his ass on the field...
Wow, let me know how that law suit goes...
Wasn't he suspended before the bowl game and miss it as part of his suspension?
You're ruining his narrative.
Untz untz untz untz untz untz untz
and why are you so convinced it's not a family issue?
Ok, so please give examples of what family issue would cause him to miss the final two games of his career...seriously....im curious
family kidnaps him and threatens something horrible if we don't lose our last two games but make it look like we try in one of them.
Mary Jane and liquor used to get me wasted. I guess people are searching for different highs.
I give to you... Pablo Francisco.
What a dumbass.
I'm surprised it even showed up on a urine drug test. Having helped a friend get off ecstasy it only typically stays in system for 48-72 hours saying the basement chemist didn't load it with meth. Basically unless he was a chronic user it would be clear within 3 days 4 tops.
I just double checked 2 sites off google one stated MDMA 1-3 days ( main ingredient in ecstasy) the other 2-5 days, so to fail he would have a narrow window before or after the game to test posits short of being a heavy, heavy user.
Nothing like this ever happened when the boys were all hanging at Rife's.
The family is going to sue the NCAA, what lawyer would even try that case? He must be a pro bone o lawyer!