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I don't think they changed Les at all actually
national champs baby
Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
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stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
But I think that GA Tech can generate enough interest, particularly in the HUGE Atlanta market to get BTN onto local cable packages.
Do you have actual data backing this up, or is this just pointless specuation?
Another question: do you find that expansion of a TV network is a good enough single motivator to expand an athletic conference?
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"do you find that expansion of a TV network is a good enough single motivator to expand an athletic conference?"
Not the right question. Better: "Does Dave Brandon and do other athletic directors find that expansion of a TV network is a good enough single motivator to expand an athletic conference?"
I think we can all answer that.
I don't have actual data (although it's probably available somewhere). I just remember reading that BTN received something like $0.88 per subscriber. I'm not really sure how that works but it's pretty clear that's why they are exploring the markets that are involved.
I live in Raleigh and pay $5.95 per month for a "sports tier" package that includes BTN. I don't know how much BTN gets out of this but I think that it's the primary network (along with some regional channels).
Personally, I don't think that BTN market expansion is a good enough reason to grow the conference. I think that the B1G is fine the way that it is and I probably wouldn't expand unless it was to hit a "home run" (think Texas, ND....). Hell, I'd rather get Kansas (fits B1G geography, Top 5 basketball program...) than any of the schools that have been mentioned but that's not the way it works. It's all about generating revenue.
I was asking if you had data demonstrating that GT draws as much of the Atlanta market as you claim. I seriously doubt this; Georgia utterly dominates that state and there are pro sports concerns as well.
Thinking ND is regretting that deal right about now. Maryland and GT trying to leave and after hearing that FSU voted against raising the exit fee they have no intention of remaining in the ACC
But . . . but . . . but . . . the chance to play Notre Dame once every four years should be enough to keep the entire ACC embedded in place forever.
Michigan would at least get better at defending the triple option. That is if Paul Johnson still has a job there.
I am sooooo totally against this. Sorry but I totally disagree with all this adding more schools garbage. We have a great conference lineup, it needs to perform better.
GAtech isn't enough, and in no way helps the conference overall. Look at Texas. People don't even watch their network. Espn is engrained in college football, so expanding the BiG network share isn't all that is cracked up to be. People are looking for page clicks. Just stop please and thank yous!!!
All this crap talk about adding schools is change for the sake of change. Super conferences are not what's best, people will calm down and see that in the next few years, especially if the new playoff works better than the bcs. Which it still will be controversial, always will be!! MNC's are mythical, always have, always will be.
Rutgers and Maryland talk: As former nova resident, VAtech and UVA are way more relevant to that area. Maryland is an afterthought and frankly a laughing stock. Very fine schools, but if this is based on both academics and athletics, they are too small potatoes.
Seriously folks, Rutgers is a nobody, and I am sick of hearing their damn name associated with the BiG. If we take those two schools, we ought be be made fun of as a weakass conference. I would be uncontrollably pissed. Even more so if gatech is brought on, since they have no ties to the BiG at all. Who ever plays them? Rare matchup in bball. Do they even have the athletic department to compete with us? No hockey!! F me!
We have four flagship programs in our conference and Wisconsin is no slouch, especially recently in athletics. Stand pat!! I personally think all this realignment is a fools errand and makes everyone look bad. Acc is a joke, big east is a joke. We need to be leaders and make the legends. Not follow the leaders and destroy our legend. Geesh!! I am out and off my soap box.
"Everybody thinks of changing humanity, but nobody thinks of changing himself." - Leo Tolstoy
How about we don't do something dumb, Jim Delaney?
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
Exactly, I get so bristly and fired up about this. We can be conservative here and wait. It's not an arms race if we already have a stocked armory.
well,I would much rather have GTech then Maryland and Rutgers
So we're definitely poaching the ACC then. I don't know what to think. I guess our main priorities are TV markets and AAU membership.
So, add UCLA to the short list!
I hate this expansion crap
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
I would want regional divisions though. East and West.
Yes, I realize UM and MSU are further east than either Indiana school, but this format divides power more effectively.
Only way I would want it to happen is if it would put Michigan and Ohio is the same division so we won't run into the two weeks in a row possibility.
You do realize that with 8 team divisions having a protected cross-over game just isn't feasible, at least with an eight game conference schedule? So say good bye to Michigan-Ohio with those divisions you listed.
BC would be a nice grab in terms of hockey.
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Which, as we all know, is what's really at issue here.
Don't quote laws to us. We carry swords.
on a personal note,i would rather have Kentucky then Maryland or Rutgers. Reasons,1. its close to me 2. great campus 3. beautiful girls 4. great fan base.
Kentucky would be a solid basketball pickup, but that's about it. Not a cultural fit in any aspect of the word, in my opinion.
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thats very true, i'm just hoping so i could just drive 2 hours for a game lol
Take the best schools from ths ACC just to stick it to Notre Dame
Anyone but Rutgers!
Just as ND breaks off the rivalry with Michigan to play opponents from the ACC, the Big Ten starts to go after the ACC schools. If a few dominos fall maybe the whole conference will fall (doubtful but "To Hell with Notre Dame" it's hopeful). Perhaps by then FSU will venture over to the Big 12, the Big Ten has raided any decent teams left and ND has several games with the bottom feeders and any other mid-major additions the ACC can get to keep a conference in tact.
Heck, why not steal FSU? They got criminal justice!
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Ga Tech would be a decent pickup. Great school, and the football program has its moments. Not even remotely a geographic fit, but since when does that seem to matter these days?
Still, it'd give the conference some good inroads into Georgia recruiting.
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Let's just add everybody.
"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."
That's exactly what I was thinking. We could be the B1120G and put 60 teams east of the Mississippi in one division. I think we should call that division the "Leaders" division. We could the other 60 teams west of the Mississippi in another division. I think that division should be called the "Legends" division.
And we still won't be put in the same fucking division as Ohio State.
Delany will mandate they cannot run that frickin triple option.
GT is a hell of lot more preferable than Rutgers. The latter is an embarrassment. GT is a good school with pretty good sports.
I love this one. What about Syracuse, they would be a good fit better than Rutgers.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
I know that they are in the SEC and may not be likely to jump but I would look at a Vanderbilt in addition to Georgia tech. Could be interesting as both could potentially be good programs. I would also look at Virginia, Virginia tech and make another run at ND - if they have any foresight they will realize that the acc is not going to be a great place to be when the conferences realign. All of these would be much better options than Maryland or Rutgers.
I would take Georgia Tech over Maryland any day
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...the most academically overrated school out there.
I've dealt with multiple recent GT EE grads with > 3.5 GPAs and I'm not impressed at all with their problem solving ability or critical thinking skills.
The engineering grads from UM, PSU, and several other lesser known schools I could name have all impressed me far more than GT grads.
"Stats are for losers. The final score is for winners." -Bill Belichick
Dennis Dodd did an interesting piece on Big Ten expansion and his thoughts on the motives of Jim Delany and it was posted last evening - (LINK)
About two-thirds into this pieces, there is this:
"Clearly, this isn't about football. It seldom is in conference realignment. The Big Ten has enough perception problems in football. Maryland and Rutgers aren't going to improve its image. It's about new viewers for the Big Ten Network. I talked to a Big Ten AD less than two years who told me the league presidents were impressed with Georgia Tech and Maryland before settling on Nebraska. Both are AAU schools. Neither play particularly great football. But each would add a new Big Ten footprint. Sub in New Jersey for Georgia and you see the strategy hasn't changed."
I guess my first question - as there are likely people more in the know than I am on this subject - revolves around Big Ten bylaws. I had thought there was a bylaw that restriced expansion to states contiguous to the Big Ten footprint, which Georgia is not. If that is the case, it would mean changing the rules, but I assume that if they really were looking to expand revenues, that's easy enough.
That being said, if there is any traction to this at all, I would definitely take Georgia Tech over Rutgers like others, particularly if we're talking about bringing a decent football program in addition to competitive basketball. Still, is there a reason the conference would do this other than the potential money? I have to believe that, if Maryland and Rutgers want to come to the Big Ten at all, then dollars are part of the driver for the schools as well.
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Geography is the only reason I hesitate on thinking this would be awesome: there's really no way the B1G could add schools to be contiguous again. There are schools in Virginia and North Carolina that might be B1G-ish, but neither South Carolina or Tennessee has anybody that would work.
Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU: 68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC: 20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<
I'm not a big fan of the big ten expanding but the landscape of college athletics is heading in that direction..I feel like if we don't pull the trigger on expanding we will be behind the eight ball in a couple of years looking to add schools that are less attractive.. As aprehensive as i am about it, i still think the big ten needs to do this.
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I would like to kill all expansion with fire.
GT makes no sense whatsoever from an athletic standpoint. It would make more sense to add Syracuse and Pitt to Rutgers and Maryland; at least there would be some semblance of geographical logic, in addition to the fact that they would bring in pre-existing athletic rivalries.
But fuck it all, it's just about the $$ so those numbskulls will do whatever they want.
And then you have the most reasonable geography. Then maybe Rutgers with Notre Dame, but, you know...
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I've lived in Atlanta my whole life, and I just got off the phone with my borther-in-law who lives in north Jersey. He said that in terms of TV networks, Rutgers would hardly do anything. But from experience, GA Tech turns the Atlanta attention pretty well. UGA is still the biggest market there, but Tech has a brand spanking new basketball arena, and a nice football standium. Small (by B1G terms), but well represented. Personally, I would rather add teams like Iowa State, Kentucky, Kansas, or Kansas State. But Tech would fun to see in the big ten. Better option than Rutgers/Maryland! The only problem is you risk getting mugged walking across the campus.
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You're all forgetting about the burgeoning Big 10 hockey scene. Ga Tech, Maryland, and Rutgers hockey...DO WANT!
Although I would love having Big Ten games 20 minutes from where I live I have to wonder why the Big Ten would want Rutgers when their athletic department lost $ 26.8 million last year. Nobody goes to their sporting events.
Here in Central NJ we have two choices for cable TV. Comcast has the Big Ten network as a extra fee option while Verizon Fios has it part of their basic package.
Vote on Maryland to come tomorrow. If they approve it Rutgers will follow on Tuesday per ESPN
Am I the only one who thinks Nebraska and Penn State were both good, well thought-out additions to the Big 10 but that most (if not all) further expansion suggestions just seem half-baked and unsuited in at least one or major ways?
Rutgers? No thank you.
Maryland? meh. no thanks.
Georgia Tech? getting warmer, but no.
In terms of football, academics, and overall national/international reputation none of these schools suit the Big Ten and the Big Ten does not suit them. Maybe it would be an upgrade from the ACC, but the doesn't make it "the right move". I actually can't think of a school that I'd be excited about the Big 10 grabbing up right now unless I completely disregard geography and/or reality.
:-/ Can't we just be happy with 12 teams in the Big 10 and 10 teams in the Big 12? :P