Rumors of who might join the league have come fast and furious in the last four months and included Notre Dame, Texas, Pittsburgh and Rutgers along with other schools. It now appears that the Big Ten may take on three or five schools to bring its total number to 14 or 16.
Report Big 10 expanding by 3 to 5 teams
All your teams are belong to us.
i heard that piscataway, new jersey was unofficially changing the name of the city to Big Ten.
Is the Chicago Tribune more credible when they're not reporting on Notre Dame's coaching search?
Yeah, until some place without a penchant for making shit up reports this, I'm wary. At best.
I'll believe this when it happens.
If it happens, I won't believe it.
Because it IS happening. Like it or not.
I think 16 may be a wee bit too many, but I could live with 14.
to put pressure on whatever team they are actually courting.
"Better sign now because we have 2-3 others interested!"
FYI, Rutgers is currently leading in the poll on that page.
How is that even possible? Do people think so little of the Big Ten that they think a school like Rutgers with an average (at best) football program and an even worse basketball program would be the best fit? What are people thinking?!
Because the people who read that article are definitely the ones whose input would be considered...
I'm afraid sixteen teams would be too many and dilute whatever culture the B10 has developed. Fourteen might not be too bad so long as that doesn't include Rutgers. Nothing against the school, but Rutgers and the B10 just don't sound like a match. Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Missouri/Syracuse, on the other hand, I could live with. If only my opinion mattered.
And how would they fit a "16" in the Big Ten logo?
I don't even want an extra team and divisions. I might just die a little inside if we pick up three or, heaven forbid, FIVE teams.
We better get to play Ohio State in the last game every year and not be faced with foreknowledge we will meet again the following week. That's all I have to say on the matter.
I still think we should talk the University of Chicago into bumping up their football team to D-I again and joining back up. Get the old gang back together.
Reminds me of a certain mission from a certain deity.
As a current Chicago student (check the avatar) I have two things to say on the subject:
1. That would be fucking awesome.
2. Will never happen.
Had Chicago gotten the Olympic bid and the stadium been built right next to campus as per the plans I could have maybe, possibly seen the administration giving it a thought. As it stands now I don't think you will ever see Michigan play a football game at Stagg Field again. Especially since we, uh, built a library over it.
But we do have this now!
I'd be fine with ND, Pitt, Mizzou, Texas, or Texas A&M coming. I don't know about Cuse. But please, no Rutgers.
Texas A&M would be interesting. I was thinking about that earlier, get one of Texas's rival to join to help draw them in, I like it. I also Pitt (hell of a Med School) and ND (I mean COME ON already!)
Cuse would pose a legitimate rival to sparty immediately. And izzo would not be the best coach in the Big Ten anymore (thank god).
However, I doubt Cuse would leave the Big East. They are a basketball school right now and the Big East is the best basketball conference. Maybe if Pitt also left, but I doubt it.
Should we take a Big East football school, it is probable that the conference would lose its BCS bid and possible that the conference would dissolve. And while Syracuse is a basketball school, they are not about to lose their status as a BCS football school, particularly if they are offered admission to a good basketball conference that is much more profitable than the conference they are currently in.
Hawai'i, please? I could use the biennial road trips, and I'd probably pay more attention to basketball for the same reason.
I would say yes to this idea for the volleyball alone.
How does one road trip for that?
Maybe the Big Ten should dump Sparty and go back to 10.
Can't we just move it to Windsor or something?
windsorite, we had enough MSU students coming accross the border on friday and saturday nights... all they do is get drunk, cause problems and get thrown in jail so it would just be like EL to them...
Texas: No. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Pitt: Probably the best choice.
Rutgers: Fuck them.
ND: Fuck them twice. Boot 'em to the Big East to replace Pitt. I think they like their TV contracts and "holier-than-thou" attitudes too much to join any conference.
Let's go over your comments one-by-one:
Texas: Why would they be shooting themselves in the foot? Moving to the Big Ten would be an upgrade from an academic and financial standpoint over the Big 12, while also being at least a shift sideways (if not upwards) athletically. The problems with such a move for them are political and cultural and unfortunately, they are probably too big to overcome to make such a move.
Pitt: Pitt is a good choice from an academic, athletic, and cultural standpoint. Unfortunately, they add nothing financially unless they come in a package deal designed to make the Big Ten so strong that the Big Ten Network becomes a national network on basic cable, or at least takes up the eastern and central timezones. And finances more than anything will drive expansion.
Rutgers: Yeah, Rutgers to the Big Ten would suck.
ND: ND would be an academic, athletic, and financial boon to the Big Ten. The question really is whether ND wants to give up independence, especially when their independence is one of the driving forces behind the donations to their athletic department, which are arguably more important than their TV contract. Your attitude here is simply idiotic.
5 even 3 is too many! Just get one for now!
I urge people to look beyond one or two sports on this one, also at academics. As a kind of academic union this is fairly huge, and could help boost the Big Many to Ivy-like--better, its own largely publicly-peopled--status.
And for waterpolo it's cool, because Chicago DOES get back in the mix and several teams can SWIM to Chi, UI as well as along the Erie Canal to Syracuse for meets, shaping up mightily and curtailing some of the travel expenses.
how things work here. It's always a little demoralizing when the negs seem to come for behavior just a little outside the herd. That feature of the plussing and minusing that makes us more lemming-like is to be regretted, no? Maybe I am missing something and there was something noxious about my post.
Yeah, maybe you got negged for posting an awful and 100 percent unrealistic idea. Is MSU the best academic school in the conference, nope, not even close. But they are so bad that anyone would take serious the idea of dumping them outright? Not a chance.
Once you factor in the fact that they are the best basketball program in the conference and average in football, the idea of dumping sparty is nuttier than a squirrel turd.
do your homework; that was not my post. I just laughed and seconded. (Like, anyone thought that was serious?) Of course, I tend to think Mystery Science Theater is lower than lame, and find your sig line not even slightly inspired, so. . . c'est la guerre.
I think you got negged for your syntax, and to a lesser extent grammar. In the post 3-4 replies back, the original, I think.
MST3K, so MGoPoints will be the least of your worries when Pearl blasts you into space and you don't have the wherewithal to create witty robot companions.
The purpose of MGoPoints is that the posters who are so irritating that they fall below 20 points (or into the negatives, I'm not sure what the cutoff is anymore) cannot start topics. Otherwise, they are meaningless.
Funny that whenever someone calls the points meaningless, it's always someone with thousands of points.
Sorta like rich people always saying "money can't buy you happiness." I always want to punch them in the mouth and say, "OK, asswipe, then you won't mind handing all of yours over to me."
as seems to have been the case for your first comment here (currently at 0). And upvotes are worth twice what downvotes are, so it's possible to come out ahead even though a comment has a negative number.
But whining about negs pretty much guarantees downvotes -- deservedly so, in my view.
A big enough expansion could make the Big Ten deep enough to reverse the depth problem which skewers the matchups when facing the SEC in all of the bowls. It could allow the BT to once again become the dominant conference in football.
My perfect outcome (read: pipedream) would be Texas, A&M, and ND. Obviously, that isn't going to happen, but it would be pretty cool. The only question I have is this:
Why is Rutgers leading the poll asking who is the best fit?
You have to wonder if most of the voting isn't coming from the NY/NJ area.
this all starts to sound a bit like Milo Minderbinder bombing the airstrip in Catch-22.
what's good for the syndicate is good for the country...
+1 for referencing one of the best books ever (that wasn't written by Kurt Vonnegut)
Dah! No one even cares about Rutgers in Piscataway much less the city.
Go to Madison Square Garden during the Big East Tournament and then tell me who New York's college team is... and it's the same one that the Empire State Building was lit orange and blue.
Thats a joke right?
I just can't see them opting for 16, for non-athletic reasons. The B10 members are (inordinately?) proud of the academic standing of the conference, and there are relatively few AAU members who are feasible geographically, remotely likely to leave their existing conference, and competitive academically. Do the presidents/chancellors in Ann Arbor, Madison, Urbana-Champaign, and Evanston really want to add a bunch of schools that would be at or near the bottom academically as of their joining date?
I would bet that the conference is going to be very, very careful about who they extend invitations to—the last thing they want is the embarrassment of being turned down after all the work they put in formulating an offer. The bad taste of ND's refusal has to linger still. My money's still on expanding to 12 and no further, but I guess I wouldn't be shocked if they went to 14. At least there wouldn't be a naming conflict with other conferences.
All of these stories seem like page hit bait to me. Like that story in the obscure Kansas newspaper that said that Texas, Baylor, and Texas A&M might be joining the Big Ten.
The Big Ten barely makes sense as a 14-16 team league for football, and it makes immensely LESS sense for every other sport.
I mean, we've already got a scheduling situation in basketball where Michigan doesn't even play Michigan State twice a season from time to time. This is going to be a total trainwreck with a mega-conference model, even with divisions.
Be lucky to get an invitation to join the Big Ten.
with a season ending Big 10 championship = big pay day for schools
This would just flat out suck. Nothing more to say.
As a Syracuse alum, we would go to the Big Ten. Not even a question.
The idea of Rutgers makes my head asplode. Syracuse outdraws them even in Piscataway. Their football program still has never finished higher than third in the Big East. The only reason they've even been bowl eligible finally after 100 years is that they only play baby seals.
Oh yeah, and Rutgers hasn't beaten SU in any single sport this year. Including football, where we blew them out 31-13.
Pitt isn't getting an invite before ND or Syracuse. They don't add anything to the Big Ten footprint that Penn State hasn't already delivered. The only thing they contribute is rivalries with Penn State, Notre Dame, and Syracuse (academically, they're also another strong school with a great research program).
In the end, I think it will be Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh for a 14-team league, add Missouri and Rutgers if the Big Ten goes megatron to 16 teams.
The Big Ten already has St. Louis in its sphere of influence (a term I love to apply to collegiate sports for no reason). Adding Kansas would add Kansas City, which covers the important parts of Missouri anyway. Meanwhile, Kansas offers a top tier basketball team and Missouri offers a mid-level basketball and mid-level football team. Kansas' national profile trumps Mizzou's imo.
I don't see Nebraska or Kansas as serious candidates. This has everything to do with new TV sets that will now receive the Big Ten Network as added to their local cable systems.
Let's assume that Kansas delivers every TV set in Kansas and Missouri. Kansas City is the 31st largest media market in the US. Upstate New York has a larger media market, neglecting even NYC, than the Kansas City metro area.
If you assume every person in Nebraska, Kansas, and Missouri has a TV set, that's far less than half of New York State. If you add in New Jersey, that's three times as many as all three states combined, which is incredibly conservative to think you're going to add every TV set in say Nebraska and Missouri for adding Kansas.
There is only one logical place for the Big Ten to expand to for increasing revenue to make this worthwhile and it's the tri-state area and Notre Dame.
Texas is not leaving the Big 12. 1) They've said they're not interested in the Big Ten, 2) They'd be forced to take Texas A&M with them which is another cut so you're effectively degrading what Texas brings in revenue-wise since they share the same footprint, and 3) The Texas Tech and Baylor reps would scream, just like what happened in Virginia to force UVa to get VT into the ACC.
Advertising accounts for approximately 60% of the BTN's income. Nebraska football and Kansas basketball are both boons to this source of income as they are both big draws. Meanwhile, Syracuse is a valid choice because they can draw fans for basketball (and football if they ever get good again). Rutgers, however, is not a valid chice unless they can deliver New York, which I personally doubt unless they come with Syracuse.
In my opinion, anyway. I could live with 3. But 5? Seems like too many. Unless those 5 are something along the line of ND, Texas, Nebraska, Missouri, and Pitt, who are all pretty big names, I think it actually dilutes the conference more than adding to it.
TV money is a huge factor in this. I did not realize how much money the Big Ten made in advertising alone. This guy's blog has been on the forefront of this. Smart fellow, he. I do believe Brian linked to him once.
There is going to be a serious domino effect if the Big Ten moves to 14 or 16 teams. I think that the SEC is going to try and match whatever the Big Ten does. And if it looks like Big 12 is starting to fall apart a team like Colorado will try and move to the Pac 10. And then the ACC will likely try and raid whatever is left of the Big East.
Lets say the Big 10 adds 5 teams (Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Notre Dame, and either Pittsburgh or Syracuse). Then I see the SEC moving and inviting Florida State, Miami, Oklahoma, and Virginia Tech (though they could be forced to take Oklahoma State for political reasons). Colorado will not want to stick around a Big 12 conference that is crumbling and will jump to the Pac 10 with Utah. Then the ACC will have to decide if they want to simply replenish their teams or go up to 14. They probably add UConn, South Florida, and either Louisville. (if they want to go 14 they could also go after WVU and Rutgers). The Big 12 probably makes up for their lost teams by going after teams like TCU, Houston, BYU etc. And the remaining Big East teams probably join Conference USA.
I believe now more than ever that ND will be joining the B10. I think Swarbrick's statements a couple weeks ago set himself up perfectly for this scenario, now if they join he can just throw his hands up and say they had no choice.
and apparently not just opposing but strongly and vehemently opposing. I don't have any direct connection to SU nor do I know anybody from there, but from what I've read Boeheim swings a lot of weight on campus, which makes a move to the B10 far from a sure thing, regardless of the extent of the B10's interest.
Disclosure: I am a Syracuse alum and view the world with orange colored glasses, with a second set that are maize.
Syracuse is entirely on-board with a move to the Big Ten. Our athletic director Daryl Gross was interviewed tonight on the local news in Syracuse.
Boeheim is on record as not liking the move, but the financial considerations make it a no-brainer.
Daryl Gross has actually been actively positioning Syracuse for the Big Ten. Our non-conference schedule of Northwestern, Penn State, and Minnesota was no coincidence, nor additional games scheduled recently with Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio State (OSU backed out).
Then there's this...
New York City
And then there's after we beat UNC at Madison Square Garden last year
Syracuse at Rutgers (Rutgers isn't even Piscataway's team)
Syracuse vs. Pittsburgh at Madison Square Garden
If the Big Ten wants the New York market, we're the best option.
Do we really need another block S in the Big Ten?
Unlike Sparty, ours has appeared in BCS bowls in the last 20 years...
Expand by 2 teams, play a round robin. 13 teams means 12 games per team. No OOC cupcakes. It makes so little sense that it's genius.
New York Times article today, comments from Boeheim and former SU AD Jake Crouthamel.
From that NYT article, I think that something along the lines of what Jake Crouthamel, former Syracuse AD, predicts will eventually come to fruition:
Eventually, Crouthamel said he saw the Big Ten, the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Southeastern Conference and the Pacific-10 forming four 16-team superconferences and leaving the umbrella of the N.C.A.A. (Just imagine the fight between the SEC and the Pac-10 for Texas.) He said that those leagues would form their own basketball tournament to rival the N.C.A.A. tournament.
“If you look at the history of what’s been going on for the last decade, I think it’s leading in that direction,” he said.
And just because the WAC coulnd't make it as a 16-team league, doesn't mean the brighter minds of the Big Ten won't be able to figure out the logistics.