SpaceDad

March 12th, 2016 at 10:30 AM ^

You are correct, but I must stress that there is nothing wrong with scheduling a DII team. It doesn't count for you. It doesn't count against you. Scheduling D1 teams that end up with +200 RPI ratings is the problem, because those games are unfairly weighted in comparison to the more competitive portion of a team's schedule.

SpaceDad

March 12th, 2016 at 10:25 PM ^

If the Div II team is replaced by a Div I tomato can, then it is better to play the Div II team. This is mentioned in the article linked by the OP. Michigan's win over Deleware State had a negative impact on Michigan's RPI, while its win over Northern Michigan did not affect it positively or negatively.

MotownGoBlue

March 12th, 2016 at 7:25 AM ^

Patrick Beilein should be calling himself out for what he's done. RPI Killer!!! (In best Aunt Edna voice) Edit: Le Moyne was an exhibition game, but fuck it, I'm running with it. There were way too many soup cans on the schedule.

One Armed Bandit

March 12th, 2016 at 8:00 AM ^

Switched out teams like Bryant, NKU and Houston Baptist with even some average Power 5 teams, the team probably wouldn't be in its current situation. Cheap wins early don't help at the end of the season. They need to really evaluate how they approach the non-conference in the future.

BTW, Michigan's RPI is at 62, up six spots, after the Indiana win.

MotownGoBlue

March 12th, 2016 at 8:03 AM ^

Sparty has twice as many wins (4) vs 300+ RPI opponents as Michigan (2). We really should have beat OSU and Iowa (2nd game). (That doesn't change the fact that we're still a R32 caliber team but it would have secured us a spot in the Big Dance). I'd like to see the adjusted RPI had we beat that average Nuts team in Columbus and the struggling Iowa team at home. My guess is low 40's. We currently sit at 55.

Richard75

March 12th, 2016 at 8:59 AM ^

It's a problem, no doubt.

When JB took over, Michigan had a 4-game deal with Oakland where we played 2 at home and 2 at the Palace. He ended it, saying it wasn't good for Michigan; Kampe added that Beilein told him that he didn't want to risk losing to OU.

It's too bad. Aside from the fact that playing local schools like Oakland and UDM is far more interesting than Bryant, it's much better for the RPI. But I guess he has reason to be worried, given the Eastern game last year.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

LSAClassOf2000

March 12th, 2016 at 8:11 AM ^

Being inside the top 45 almost certainly means selection, particularly if in a power conference and if you have some quality wins. Being in the 46 to 55 range is the true bubble for power conference teams. Above that, it takes a lot of quality wins to overcome a bad RPI.

Michigan’s RPI is currently 66.

RPI is one of the reasons that, even if we talk our way into the finals of the BTT today, I still might be sitting on my hands to some extent because there are still teams that could easily fill the slots which Michigan could inhabit based on that number. It's part of the reason I've found myself watching other conference championships - either as they happen or following online - throughout the week. All this matters now. 

Muttley

March 12th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^

too serioiusly by the committee.

Instead, I would hope that the committee uses the RPI wisely, as a first sort of your record in buckets like Top 25 RPI, 26-50, 50-100, etc.  Then compare teams against each other mostly on human judgment, laying out one bubble team's Top 50 games against another bubble teams Top 50 games, (or 51-100, whatever), and then with human judgment deciding which team has the better resume.

If used in that manner, the known imprecision in the RPI might be a strength as it wouldn't be taken as being an ordering system when it comes down to who's in and who's out.

Leaders And Best

March 12th, 2016 at 8:42 AM ^

I think even a loss to Purdue on a neutral court will give our RPI a small boost, especially if they go on to win the BTT as that would probably put Purdue in the top 10 of the RPI or very close.

But a win today would definitely seal the deal for us. It may even earn Michigan a chance to avoid the First Four in Dayton.

Scout96

March 12th, 2016 at 9:44 AM ^

There is a site that does future RPI forecast, rpiforecast.com. It estimates our RPI to be ~43 with win vs Purdue and if we lost to MSU and ~59 if we lose to Pudue. ~ because it didn't likely include Purdue win versus Illinois and if Purdue were to win/lose the finals. Please, no more sub 300 RPI teams on future schedule, i.e. Delaware State (RPI 345) and Bryant (RPI 321). If those two games had not been played, our RPI would be 41 with a Purdue loss! Sucks for fans and sucks for bracketology. If those two games are replaced by home wins against Central Michigan and Eastern Michigan, our RPI would be 40 with a loss to Purdue.

smwilliams

March 12th, 2016 at 11:08 AM ^

Most places have Butler as a lock and Michigan either barely in or out of the field. Why, exactly?

Michigan vs Butler

RPI: 55 vs 56

Record: 21-11 vs 21-10

SOS: 54 vs 83

NCSOS: 209 vs 259

Record vs Top 25: 3-6 vs 3-5

Record vs Top 50: 4-10 vs 4-8

Record vs Top 100: 4-11 vs 5-8

Tell me exactly how Butler's resume is better than Michigan's.

Yeoman

March 13th, 2016 at 12:52 AM ^

Butler's #39 at kenpom, Michigan's #55.

That's not an enormous difference, but when you're picking out the top 50 teams it's not insignificant.

And I suspect the reason for the difference is the relative heaviness of the losses. Before Thursday, the only teams that had beaten Butler by 10+ were Xavier, Villanova, and Miami, all three-seeds or better.

Michigan's lost by 10+ to Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, Indiana, SMU, Purdue, Connecticut and Xavier. Three or four of those will be three-seeds or better; one of them isn't even under consideration (and I'm not talking about SMU, who would probably be about a six if they were eligible).

Daft_Blue

March 12th, 2016 at 11:34 AM ^

I heard the comittee is using other metrics other than the RPI.  I hope this is true as the other rankings have us ranked higher than RPI.  It is pretty stupid the diffference between 300 and 200 when in reality there is little difference.

Yeoman

March 13th, 2016 at 12:36 AM ^

I don't think any sane person would rely entirely on a metric that would look at that Cincinnati/UConn game from the other day and treat it exactly the same as a 30-point bludgeoning. Whoever wound up winning, those were two virtually equal teams on the day.

The committee  talks about the RPI because it doesn't weight margin of victory and they don't want to seem to be encouraging teams to run up the score, and because it's a way of trying to leverage teams into scheduling fewer cupcakes. But there's no evidence they make much use of it as a metric once they get into the room, except as a means of sorting opponents (record vs. RPI top 50 or 100, for example).

If you want to test this, try an experiment tomorrow. Set up a bracket using kenpom or massey--just s-curve your way down the rankings, paying attention to avoiding repeat matchups etc. and making sure you get the autobids in--then set up a second bracket the same way but using RPI. One of them will be a lot closer to the final product, and it won't be the one that uses RPI. (In the past, for what it's worth, the headline Massey and Sagarin rankings have been closer than the more predictively accurate power ranking, or kenpom.)

I think the real problem for Michigan isn't the soft nonconference schedule, it's too many bad losses...not the kind where you lose to a bad team, but the kind where you get beaten badly by a pretty good team and observers are left in no doubt about who was better. I don't think there's another team left on the bubble, or getting an at-large, with as many double-digit losses as Michigan's had.

---

Looking that up now:

  • VCU 1
  • South Carolina 3
  • Florida 5
  • Georgia 5
  • Temple 5
  • Syracuse 6
  • Florida State 7
  • Pittsburgh 7
  • USC 7
  • Oregon State 8
  • Michigan 10

I know there's another side to this, but that's the case for the prosecution. Ten losses, period, has you close to the cut line at best. Ten losses by double digits? It doesn't show up in the RPI but you can bet somebody in the committee room is pointing it out.

snarling wolverine

March 12th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^

There needs to be some kind of cutoff for low-RPI teams.  Pretending that the #275 team is markedly better than the #300 team is dumb.  Just cut it off after like 200 or 225 and treat all the rest equal.