Keep the talent rolling in and it won't matter.
in town for free camps
Keep the talent rolling in and it won't matter.
Red shirt yet
Considering the contributions of these guys made today, even when the game was well in hand, I really don't have issues with this either.
Granted, it's one game, and it was CMU, but for example, Shane Morris looked rather good considering it is his first game ever, Derrick Green actually turned out to be the most explosive RB statistically at 5.3 YPC. On defense, I think Stribling gave glimpses of what he can do, and Thomas made a nice contribution on special teams.
I thought I saw Dukes out there for a play.
I thought I saw Taco out on field goal D
Taco played like 20 snaps.
Yep you did. 33.
Wasn't the whole Devin 2010 "injury" really a bunch of hooey?
But I think Gardner will make it all a moot point by having a great 2013 season and going pro.
How can you call them "burned" in game one?? I would consider "burning" a redshirt in week 9...The best play, game experience is valuable!
It sounds like Brian & Co. are the only ones particularly arsed about redshirts or the lack thereof.
just a booboo
Gedeon was a beast from what I saw on ST and Stribling looking great at DB. This class is so talented the staff has no choice but to play them. We are going to be a scary team at the end of the season.
I feel like you are saying this is a bad thing, but I don't know why.
I think all the fresh whom played today will benefit the team this year.
On an injury note, Reynolds and Funchess seem to be fine, but did the broadcast say anything about Drake? It also looked to me that Gallon went out (either late 2nd or early 3rd) favoring his arm, and I didn't see him play again. Anything said about this on TV or radio?
But recruits will see that the talented frosh are playing right away. That can only be a good thing. Let the god times roll.
Kenny Allen on that last punt
He's a redshirt freshman already
First 6 all look to be major contributors and if Funchess goes out Butt is probably next in line. Dont worry about 2017 today. If we continue to recruit like this you have plenty of players to play in situations and positions where you'd have a 5th year senior. Guys like Gedeon and Charlton and Green (and even D. Smith) already have "junior/senior" like size so its not a matter of physicality. If they are not on the o-line or d-line except for a rare exception like say a Hand or McDowell, let them play if they are competitive with older players.
12 Sophs on the roster. All 12 played against Alabama in last years opener
I see no problem with all of this. Getting the best players to play regardless of class. And Morris needs to get playing time so we can avoid another Nebraska Bellomy disaster
Isn't it Hoke's nature to burn redshirts. He hates the color red.
This made me laugh
Good to know. Very noteworthy. The blog would be a much better place if everyone informed everyone everytime they laughed.
Yes! No laughter on the blog!
PS: fuck off
This made me laugh.
to post how noteworthy you thought his laugh post was. My post is noteworthy too. Now we don't have to respond back and forth to eternity because I said my post was noteworthy.
That is okay with me. Bellomy's injury may have caused Shane to play but we need to establish depth there and at RB especially. The lines will always be more likely to redshirt and the skill guys playing are all in positions of little depth, just like last year.
we need players now. saving the redshirts now is like paying 25% interest on a credit card when you have money in the bank earning 1% interest, just to save that money.
I agree, win now.
This game is a microcosm of what lies ahead: a ton of "woolwwwwwoolwww" moments, and a few too many "wtf" situations. We will make a lot of people cry this year, but it may be more of "us" than we like at times.
No reason for this post to have so many negs. It's a relatively informative list of who lost redshirts (though a numbered list rather than bulleted and update when more is known would be great)
Who's left that's not on the offensive line?
dukes, poggi off the top of my head
McCray, R. Dawson
It's not like this is the 9th game and these guys are seeing their first action. It's the first game. Most, if not all, of these guys are going to see significant playing time against Akron, UConn and possibly in some conference games. So they're probably not going to have their redshirt burned by playing in one game. Try as much as you want in practie, you just can't replicate the experience that comes with seeing the field on Saturdays. If these guys end up getting reps in 4 or 5 games, that's so valuable and provides great coaching points for the staff during the week.
Burns a redshirt, unless the player gets injured (like DG did a few yrs back).
as if they're something that already exists automatically and that are out there to be "burned" From the first minute of the season. These guys were good enough to play right from the start, so they should play. If someone hasn't played for the first 9 games and THEN you play them (other than because of a rash of injuries), that's burning a redshirt
...because YOU get it. Congrats. I hope everyone not only reads...but comprehends your post.
helped them burn the redshirts.
How much might this be because Hoke wants to throw everything into this season and next, thinking we can win now, not just in a few years?
I know what you mean about this season and next, and I completely agree that we should do everything in our power (including 'burning' redshirts) to win now.
But since you brought up next year... well, I don't know that next year will be our year. But have you seen 2015's schedule? Our road games are Utah, Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana and Penn State. 2015 could be the year.
If Shane is ready. The schedule sets up. And feeding into the whole theme of this post (dont burn Shane's redshirt!) he will be a lot more ready in 2015 playing 2013-2014 than missing 2013 and RS 2014 or vice versa. The 2014 season will be the season of an epic defense but holes on offense (maybe 1 less hole based on what these RBs showed today) - tackles and WRs all being essentially brand new. The 2015 season should have everything you want aside from some LBs and corners leaving...except it will be a first year starter at QB. That 2 year window (15-16) should be where we are talking final 4 playoff.
Are going to have perfect careers and that they can accurately project the roster in four years. Lots of these kids could be gone or buried on the depth chart in 4 years. Their are to many variables at play if they can contribute they play and if they are a project they redshirt. I am a huge believer that their is no substitute for in game reps.
When the program isn't riddled with attrition and the coaches bring in a new cavalry of monster talent every year, it gives you the luxury of getting your players in and through in 3-4 years. Let's not fail to notice how this helps recruiting as well. "Almost all of our skill player freshmen contributed...."
might as well play them young to get some instant depth. May be in the next couple years we will have the depth luxury to RS our talented Freshman.
Until a day arrives when they demonstrate that they can't recruit talented replacements. And let's not forget that a 5th year senior means one less recruit later on down the line.
There are definitely individual cases where it's a bad idea to burn a redshirt, as there are individual cases where it's a bad idea (or a waste) to redshirt. I think it's okay (and important) to scrutinize the decisions they make, but I don't think there's a clearcut answer here, and I think the staff has proven they know how to manage a roster well enough that we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt.
I think, of all the elements of the game, roster management is the one area I have close to implicit and unconditional faith in Hoke and his staff.