Redshirts and Medical Redshirts
Same scenario happened with countess. He should be getting his medical red shirt this year for last year
Redshirts can be taken at any time for any reason.
I think our schatenfrued about Iowa may have angered a certain God who now plauges our receivers..REPENT ALL OF YOU!!!! THE END IS NIGH!
from Iowa (not originally) but right now.
Yes, he went to Dowling Catholic in Des Moines.
This is true, I'm using my redshirt right now.
Are a traitor and you will be ostracized from here on out. Wearing red clothing... yech.
You can redshirt any year so long as you haven't redshirted already. It's just typically unusual, with the exception being medical redshirts.
you can also apply for a 2nd redshirt if you get injuried again and lose a second season (there are some more specific rules around this one that I am not 100% sure about also).
To get the 2nd redshirt for medical reasons, the 1st redshirt must also have been due to medical reasons (or at least an injury that would have caused someone to miss the season anyway).
Just to confirm this with the supporting legislation (or as close as I could get to it), Bylaw 22.214.171.124.1 essentially says that, to get a waiver of the Five Year Rule, it has to be due to circumstances which are beyond the control of the student athlete. It basically lists injury to the athlete or life-threatening injury someone in their immediate family, natural disaster, financial hardship or "erroneous academic advice" (i.e., an academic snafu that is the fault of the institution) as about the only valid reasons, assuming this is close to comprehensive.
I think (and I could be wrong) that the Duke lacrosse team got an effectively en masse redshirt year after the scandal that ultimately proved to be a false claim ended their season almost before it got started.
Yup. Countess did it. There was that LB at OSU who took a RS year in the middle of his career just because he wasn't playing well.
Stonum took his redshirt year late also, due to the aforementioned "any reason."
And I believe that that's what Hagerup is doing right now.
in special cases, you can have a Medical Redshirt on top of a Redshirt and end up with 6 years of eligibility.
First redshirt also needs to be medical in nature to get 6 years of eligibility. This is why Bellomy can't simply get a medical redshirt this year, because his redshirt his freshman year was not due to injury (same would go for Ryan if you wasn't beasting up and coming back this year).
looks like I should have just kept my mouth shut on the matter.
I wonder what documentation is needed to prove that the first redshirt was "medical in nature." How does the NCAA know that Bellomy's first redshirt year wasn't due to a sore back or a hangnail, rather than the fact that Denard Robinson and Devin Gardner were ahead of him? It's up to the school and the player to determine whether a given injury is too serious to suit up.
If I remember correctly, Gardner applied for his medical redshirt for the 2010 season well after the fact, so why couldn't Bellomy do the same? And on a more cynical note, wouldn't it make sense for a school to document injury treatments for all their redshirting freshmen, just in case this situation comes up?
Didn't he get hurt last year in the Nebraska game and miss the rest of the year (concussion maybe)? He could maybe get a medical redshirt for last year and a 6th year due to this year.
A redshirt isn't anything special, it's just not playing for a year. You have 5 years to play 4, so you can take it whenever. The only special case is the medical redshirt where if you have a season ending injury before 1/3(not possitive on the number) of the season is done you can get a redshirt.
So four games into a football season, for example.
My understanding is that neither Countess not Darboh will get a 'medical redshirt'. They'll just get a plain 'ol redshirt. The medical RS comes into play if either Countess or Darboh want an 'additional' RS year for a different injury. Since both missed seasons for an injury, if they miss another year, that would be the medical RS year. The same reason why Ryan would not be able to get a medical RS year; his first RS year was not due to injury.
Countess tore his ACL in the first game, so he'd have to get the medical redshirt because he played.
No, you have 5 years to play your 4 years of eligability. The NCAA does not care why you sat out that one year; it just doesn't matter. But if you want an extra year, a 6th year, due to injuries, that's when you get a medical redshirt.
You have five years to play four, but only if you do not play a single snap during one of those five years. Countess played, therefore he needs to get approval for a medical redshirt.
You can't redshirt after you play unless it's medical.
Edit: To clarify I mean in the same season. 2012 can't be a redshirt year if you play in 2012, unless you qualify for a medical redshirt.
The 6th year is different. That comes up if you've missed two seasons due to injury and thus only got to play three seasons out of five.
That's what "redshirt" means- exercising the option to take five years to use up eligibility. Medical redshirts have to be approved by the conference and can extend the rule to six years to play for in some circumstances.
Is that the case with Chris Bryant? He redshirted his first year and then was injured for his entire second year. That means he should be eligible for a medical redshirt but I haven't seen any mention of that.
If he gets that, it's very possible that Michigan's OL will be comprised completely Freshman and Sophomores next year. Braden (RS), Bryant (Medical RS) Kugler (RF) Kalis (RS) Magnuson (RS)......or something along those lines. I'm sure that others will be in the mix.
In order to get the second redshirt year (medical), the first redshirt or missed season has to be due to a medical condition that prohibitted playing.
So, not playing a year (redshirt) and then getting hurt the next and not being able to play would tyipcally not be allowable for a 6th year.
I saw pictures of Devin wearing a red shirt, yesterday. SHIT! Season over...
That's the reason why Brady Hoke will never take a medical redshirt.
So much conflicting info in this thread.
Does a medical redshirt require a previous redshirt? Or will Darboh just use his regular redshirt this year?
Darboh will see no game action this year and will take a regular redshirt.
Because it's tougher to get a sixth year waiver without the previous redshirt being for medical reasons. Without any inside info, I have no idea why/how they could redshirt Countess last year without it being medical, as he actually played snaps in intercollegiate competition.
1. You get 5 years to play 4 seasons. NCAA Bylaw 14.2. If you choose to spend a year where you do not participate in a game, that uses one of your years, but not a season of competition. Nothing in Bylaw 14.2 requires that the redshirt year be the freshman year. Since Darboh played last year, he can still take this year as his redshirt year.
2. If you suffer an injury or some other circumstance beyond your control that makes it impossible to play 4 seasons in 5 years, you can seek a 6th year. Bylaw 126.96.36.199. However, this does not give you a 6th year if you voluntarily redshirt as a freshman and then break your arm the following year, because the redshirt year was within your control. This commonly applies where a serious injury takes more than a year to recover. This waiver seeks a waiver of the 5 year rule.
3. If you have played in a season but get hurt early on (less than 3 contests or 30 percent of the regular season, whichever is greater) and the injury prevents you from playing the rest of the year, you can get a hardship waiver that says that year doesn't count as a season of competition. Bylaw 14.2.4. (The 30 percent computation for football is 12 * .3 = 3.6, which gets rounded up to 4 under Bylaw 188.8.131.52.6.2). Note that if you have previously redshirted, getting this waiver doesn't do you any good, because you will use up your 5 years before you use up your 4 seasons of competition.
If you want to read about it yourself, the NCAA Division 1 manual is available for free download here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4322-2013-2014-ncaa-division-i-manual-for-sale-now-delivered-after-august-1-2013.aspx
Really as if this wasn't discussed 1738484 times over Devin Gardner
There's a fundamental difference, though. Gardner played in some games his first year. Darboh won't play at all this season.
Could be that Darboh applies for a medical redshirt (as Justin suggests above) or he could just take a regular redshirt because he won't see the field at all (as I suggest above). Gardner didn't have the option, as far as I understand the rules, to just take a regular redshirt season.
Because all it does is give a player back a season of competition that they would otherwise lose because they played. Darboh won't play this year, so there is no season of competition to waive. If his injury takes more than a year to recover from, he could seek a 6th year because he didn't redshirt last year.
Remember there are two limits on a player's eligibility: he gets 5 total years, and 4 seasons of competition. The so-called medical redshirt (or hardship waiver) gives you back a season of competition when you play but get hurt but it won't give you a 6th year unless you also meet the criteria for that waiver.
What if Darboh gets another injury in a couple of years, and therefore misses 2 seasons due to 2 separate injuries. Can he apply for a medical 6th year?
Didn't that QB at Houston get a 6th year because of separate injuries?
then yes, it could be due to 2 separate injuries. It could also conceivably be because family reasons forced the player to drop out of school for a year. But it can't be because the player chose to redshirt without there being any medical reasons behind it. For example, if you suffer an injury in high school and redshirt as a freshman in order to fully recover, then if you miss another season later on due to injury, you could get a sixth year, because the redshirt wasn't truly voluntary.
He redshirts this year...if he got hurt again down the road causing him to miss the season, he'd get a medical redshirt for a 6th year.
If he just got in trouble down the road and wanted to do the Stonum/Hagerup "I'll use my redshirt as a senior" route, it would NOT be available.
Just don't get hurt again, give us 2 BEAST years, and go to the NFL as a RS Junior.
But other people in the thread (e.g., Seth) are saying that Darboh wouldn't be able to get a 6th year in the event of another injury if this coming season's redshirt is considered a regular voluntary redshirt. Wouldn't it have to be somehow labeled medically-related?
This might sound nit picky, but it is the NCAA we're talking about. They aren't exactly known for using common sense over bureaucratic rigidity.
Seth is wrong , off the top of my head Keenum the qb from Houston is a 6 year guy
After quick research 3 players from LA TECH received 6th year of eligibility this week
Coming from you, that's harsh.
It was discussed in the thread below, no need for a new thread discussing the same thing all over again
An elective redshirt and a medical redshirt are different things. You get 5 years to play four, and can elect to take any year as your redshirt year. Darboh didn't play this season at all so he doesn't have to apply for a medical redshirt.
If you play even one play in any season, that whole season counts unless you get dispensation from the NCAA to not count it. Gardner and Countess applied for medical redshirts because they played in those seasons but lost most of the year to injury, a special case that the NCAA makes an exception for.
The exception is if a player electively took a redshirt year and then loses a season to injury, they can't apply for a medical redshirt; they just lose that season. This sounds unfair, e.g. Jake Ryan, but it makes sense when you consider the NCAA hands out medical redshirts even when it's obvious the team is just seeking an extra year of eligibility for a guy they ran out on special teams a few times--since they abuse the rule already they do this to prevent teams from reporting all of their redshirt freshmen who don't play as medical redshirts and getting everyone 6 years.
When do we find out what freshman are redshirted this season?
At the end of the season, see who did not play.
As others have noted, you get one "free" redshirt, and while people usually apply it as a first-year, you can use it for injuries down the line. After that, you usually have to apply to the NCAA for an exception, which is how Purdue and Wisconsin used to have QBs born in 1982 still playing.
I redshirted as a sophomore due in part to injury.
Countess played a couple plays in one game last season, which would normally count as a season of competition and use up the second of his four allowable years. But because he was injured in that one game and missed the remainder of the season, the NCAA will grant him a hardship (i.e. medical) exemption and deem the 2012 season as one of non-competition. Countess will then be able to treat 2012 as a redshirt year, and have three rather than just two years of eligibility remaining. In fact, he's listed on the current roster as a redshirt sophomore.
Darboh will never see the field in 2013. He played last year, so he has three years of eligibility left. His injury simply means he'll take a redshirt year this year, and come back next year as a redshirt sophomore. The fact that his injury was the reason for his redshirt does not give him an extra eligibility year.
The answer to your question is yes. I had a similar occurrence and actually had 7 years in college. My first was a greyshirt, a redshirt year, I played a year, medical redshirted the next and then played 3 more years.