Official now, Redd's dad confirmed to Joe Schad.
FWIW. Michigan doesn't seem inclined to get re-involved.
Official now, Redd's dad confirmed to Joe Schad.
tough break for PSU
This also stood out to me;
"USC is not allowed to go over 75 scholarship players, thanks to sanctions the school received in 2010 due to improper benefits. The school needs a spot for Redd, but USC believes at least one player currently on scholarship is academically ineligible. If not, a walk-on player likely would give up a scholarship."
For all the Lane Kiffin haters, if that were to happen, I think it would just add more fuel to the fire.
Would you complain if Michigan took away a scholarship from one of their walkons and gave it to a potential All Conference player who transferred from a different school?
this year, I fucking hope we'd all be pissed if it got taken away.
Just so you know, whenever a walk-on gets a scholarship, he's almost always told he has it until they find a recruit to give it to (with guys like Kovacs who become starters the exception).
Usually the walk-ons are told at the beginning of the season, so they wouldn't know yet. And in a time like this with scholarship reductions at USC, very few walk-ons would be getting them anyway.
Point is, lots of teams do this, and it doesn't make Kiffin shady. He's shady for all the other reasons.
Yeah, it's not really a valid criticism of Kiffin. This is SOP.
PSU fans were all up in arms when it looked like this would be the case about how unfair it would be to the walk-on. If they were smarter about it, they would realize PSU will likely do something similar in the next couple of years. I wonder if they'll be as outraged when it benefits them.
Penn State will only be giving former scholarship spots to walk ons for the foreseeable future.
Personally, If I was a walk-on from the start, I wouldn't expect anything. Even if I was offered a scholarship, I would assume that it would be up for grabs if a highly touted recruit came along and committed. No offense to walk-on players, but they are usually walk-ons for a reason.
It is quite a sacrifice, though, given that tuition at USC is over $21,000 per semester, Most people don't have the means to afford an extra $45,000 or so per year without going into debt.
Yeah, most people don't have that kind of money. But most people don't choose expensive private schools.
The kids who choose SC, by and large, can afford that. And it's not like he's telling kids who were recruiting on scholarship to become walk-ons. He's telling walk-ons to go back to being walk-ons. Kids who expected to pay that all four years anyway.
Still; the fact you a taking a scholie away either academic ineligible or walk-on has to do something for his credibility with other incoming recruits. In their shoes, I sure wouldn’t trust him.
I think the bigger complaint stems from the fact that a school already hit with a scholarship restriction because they are on probation for cheating is allowed to sign a kid transferring from another school just placed on probation for covering up pedophelia.
But whatever. Redd will probably do fine at USC, but man does this who situation just feel icky.
BTW, good to see the NCAA really looking out for the interests of the sanctity of the sport with this whole mess.
Its normal NCAA hypocrisy I am all for the PSU kids being able to transfer right away but for the NCAA to allow this is just wrong.
It further lends credence to the mantra of cheat your ass off, fight it, get a slap on the wrist, and by virtue of extremely unfortunate circumstances come out better at RB then you would have.
Unfortunately it is not in the bylaws of the NCAA, should it be, sure; but isn’t at this time so nothing prevents it.
Kiffin learned from his short time in the SEC.
Not only does the transfer count against the total number of scholarships, but it also counts against the number of scholarships a team can sign PER year.
USC is limited to 15 scholarships per year from their sanctions (normally 25 per year). They officially took 12 players last year (backdated 4 commits to 2011 class) so they have room to put him in the 2012 class. BUT they already have 18 verbal commits for 2013 with what looks like a plan to backdate 3 early enroll commits to 2012. There isn't enough room to do that now with Redd.
Either an entering 2012 commit is not going to qualify and use his scholarship on Redd or one of the 2013 USC commits is not going to end up signing a LOI with USC in Feb 2013.
Maybe it is a B1G rule, but I thought you could only back date 3 schollies.
This is ridiculous. He's a walk on. I don't think many walk ons expect to be given a scholarship. I prioritize on all conference RB over a scrub walk on. Sorry about it.
Ouch. PSU's hopes of a great "we'll show 'em" season just took a big hit. Not very good for team morale when you lose high-profile upperclassmen, either.
If this takes them down to 74 scholarships next year, I say they give us Su'a Cravens
Isaac is expected to flip, I thought everyone knew this?
Interesting if it does affect Ty’s thought process and commitment. Maybe it will end up benefiting us if he feels he wants to play earlier.
I'll take Ty Issac.
They'll be below that anyway.
They are making the conference weaker. Shitty.
next time they shouldnt let a pedophile run wild on their campus
The fact that he even made the trip told me it would be hard for Penn St. to hold on to Redd. I do not believe his team mates would have embraced his return anyway.
It is a tough break, especially since PSU is short on high level skill players.
Frankly, I'm surprised that more players haven't announced they're leaving, which says something positive about the appeal and tenacity of Bill O'Brien, and the commitment of the players to their school.
"Those who stay" there will never become champions, but I have to admire loyalty and team spirit.
There were rumors about kicker Anthony Fera (Texas) and LB Khairi Fortt (Cal) transferring.
It's kinda ironic that Redd transfered to a school that just had players free to transfer because of their own sancations. Two totatally different situations though, obviously.
Let a player transfer to a school on probation? Something smells.
Well, because prohibiting transfers to USC was not part of the sanctions the NCAA leveled on them. Why would the NCAA suddenly disallow a transfer as long as the transfer doesn't put USC over scholarship limits??
We're on probation too. Your tagline reminded me of that.
But Isaac knew all of that when he committed with the exception of the Redd thing, but they'll only overlap for one year (or not at all, if Redd goes early to the NFL like most expect he will). I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Yes, I understand that, as I too live in LA (hence the handle). But like I said, Isaac knew all of this before he committed, so although I agree with all of those points, it's nothing new so I'm not sure why now all of a sudden Isaac would be afraid of competition.
Except I don't believe you that a Cali kid would get PT over a RB from elsewhere. A lot of SC's backs have been from CA, but they had that guy from Louisiana a few years ago (whose name is escaping me) and they had no problem giving him loads of PT. I'm sure Kiffin will play whoever is the best, and Isaac probably believes it will be him.
You live in L.A? I know someone who moved out there that I'm not very fond of. Can you egg their house for me?
If Hoke never existed and we were saddled with Greg what's his name from Rutgers or someone similar, every one on this board would take Lane Kiffin as coach and defend him to the death. Say he left Tennessee to take his dream job at Michigan and started recruited like he has been.
I like the guy. Lots of people can't stand him and it's cool. The reality is he's fast becoming a top 10 or better coach nationally. Great move recognizing a need and closing the deal. He is also giving a kid with pro potential the chance to run against 7 man fronts behind the best passing offense in the country.
There's more: his players love him and they have a very close team. That's why he can ask a walk-on to take a hit here and possibly ask McNeil to take less carries.
As much as I hate to admit it, he's a pretty good coach. He may run his mouth, and left Tenn in a bad way, but he's (unfortunately for us) a good coach. In 2008 Tennessee lost to Florida 30-6 and Alabama 29-9 and went 5-7, finishing near the bottom of their division. He shows up, and takes Florida to the 4th quarter before losing 23-13, and almost had Alabama upset until Terrence Cody made the best play of his collegiate career, and has Tennessee going 7-5, finishing 3rd in the division, and going against 9-3 top 15 ranked VT in the Peach Bowl
I thought he did a really good job with USC last year as well. They started slowly in September, with an ugly win over Minnesota and lopsided loss to ASU, but they improved dramatically after that. Going 10-2 (with one loss in 3OT) with a team on probation and no postseason to play for is not easy to pull off.
Although I mostly agree with you, they had more talent than any team they played, and they really played 2 tough games all season and they went 1-1 in those games, plus a pretty ugly loss to ASU who was not a good team.
I'm not saying Kiffin is a poor coach, but their league was very weak last year except for Stanford and Oregon, and even those teams didn't have the talent that SC had, sanctions or not. You could even make the arguement that they took those games more seriously because it was the closest things they had to a bowl game.
They had a season a lot like ours - lost to one of the best teams in the conference (MSU), and a lesser team (Iowa), although Iowa was a much better team than ASU. Both teams beat ND (although SC did so more decisively) and both teams took care of the rest of their conference, although if you count VT our wins are more impressive than their's, and we didn't have near the talent advantage that they had. Again I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but a lot of coaches could coach that kind of talent to victories.
I don't even think he left in a bad way.
No one expected the USC job to open up when it did.
It took him by surprise as much as anyway and so it made it look worse than it was. But in reality, he was just handed a golden opportunity that he didn't expect. It would be like one of us having a scholarship to play for Wisconsin (Division 1 school, successful, etc.) and then at the last moment having our dream school (Michigan) offer us. You'd take it every time, even if it left a few hurt feelings in Wisconsin.
No. But clearly some of us would like him. Not me thi
Fact is most fans of any school would support any coach once hired and especially if surrounding himself with coaches/recruiters the way he does.
Guy is a spoiled pile of garbage living off of his Dad's name. He has accomplished nothing on his own in life and somehow remains arrogant and lwft with the attitude of a spoiled 14 year old.
Make zero mistake, the guy is a good coach as far as knowing football. In fact, I dont even have issue with the way he left Tennessee as I hate Tennessee and Kiffin is a usc guy who considers that job in the same esteem as Hoke does Michigan. However, also make no mistake in giving credit. What he was building at UT and is doing at a sanctioned usc has more to do with who he surrounds himself with than himself. Orgeron is THE best recruiter in the business. Not even close. Might not like his or Kiffin's methods (rampant rumors of cheating in his year at UT) but they get who they want. End of story. Oh, and the DC happens to be his Daddy and only one of the best defensive minds in all of football, regardless of level. That helps when Orgeron and Lane need that extra push on a LB or DT and Monte can pop in some tape of those old Sapp and Brooks Bucs defenses he led.
Though, in fairness, I see Hoke the same way (just with ethics). GMatt, Borges and Funk are as much or more to do with our turnaround than Hoke. Popping in Ravens tape helps. Having orchestrated great offenses at everywhere from UCLA to Auburn helps. etc.....
That said, generally agree as fans will always rally (I HATE the spread offense but welcomed and supported RR) a new coach. However, Lane Kiffin is a spoiled brat man-child who has accomplished zero on his own. Guy is a grade A douchebag and a liar.
To see the dark side of fandom, take a look at BSD and vow never to be "that guy".