Redd or Bacon: Someone is seriously mistaken
USC is disputing the section of John U Bacon's Fourth and Long book which deals with the USC "recruitment" of Silas Redd when he decided to leave Penn State. The story in the book mentioned that Redd flew to LA on a private jet and Snoop Dog/Lion (whatever he was named at that point) picked him up at the airport and drove him to campus.
USC claims that Lane Kiffen picked up Redd at the airport after he flew commercial.
Someone's got some splainin' to do and I'm guessing it isn't Bacon (ummm. Bacon).
August 21st, 2013 at 10:36 AM ^
My prediction? USC will dispute it. Bacon will dispute the dispute. Redd will say nothing. No evidence will be produced by either side, and we'll all forget about it eventually.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:38 AM ^
Only the NSA knows for sure.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:42 AM ^
I was going to make a joke about how Facebook and Google know too, then it hit me that if Redd described his trip or sent photos to anyone then Facebook and Google probably actually do know this.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:42 AM ^
plus a guy for something like this. May they return soon.
August 21st, 2013 at 12:50 PM ^
...but why and when did the moderating of posts (plussing and minusing) cease? Just curious.
I actually like it better this way.
August 21st, 2013 at 1:52 PM ^
The great nginx purge from a few weeks back I believe.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 10:39 AM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 10:42 AM ^
Thing is, no one is under any obligation to produce any evidence. Both sides can just claim the other is wrong and leave it at that. Somehow I doubt USC wants to get in the business of digging up flight information every time someone accusses them of something.
In the end, it'll be just one more thing for Section1 to make comments about in every Bacon thread.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 11:27 AM ^
What are the consequences for USC if they don't? For now, nothing. And after the Bush investigation, USC doesn't appear to be terribly image conscious when it comes to complying with NCAA rules. They are under no obligation to prove anything. It's way easier for them to simply say that Bacon's wrong and leave it at that.
My semi-serious snarky comment sure is turning into a real life discussion. My fun hat has been straightened on my head and has become my serious hat.
August 21st, 2013 at 4:18 PM ^
Probably for the same reason that you wouldn't post a picture of your drivers liscense or Photo Id to prove that you are not my mom.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^
"If Kiffin is on the level"
I had to repeat that over and over in my head...
August 21st, 2013 at 10:39 AM ^
not much more can be ex[pected when the NCAA is in control of policing violations.
August 21st, 2013 at 12:49 PM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 10:39 AM ^
I want the truth.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:41 AM ^
No you don't. You can't handle it.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:42 AM ^
My suspicion is that the account Bacon wrote was based on second-hand information, and that the story got "enhanced" bewteen the events and the eventual retelling of them to Bacon. Both sides could be "right" even if both are not (or, more probably, neither is) accurate.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^
Michael Mauti and whatever other Nittany Lions Bacon talked to are probably the source for this.
Lord only knows where the PSU players got their version of the story. I hope for the sake of Bacon's credibility that he has sourced this story beyond them.
August 21st, 2013 at 2:43 PM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 3:53 PM ^
Damn! I wish I'd said that!
August 21st, 2013 at 6:13 PM ^
waiting for posbangs to return because of comments like this.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:42 AM ^
the private jet / Snoop story from Redd's Nitany Lion teammates. The question is, does any commercial airline have Silas Redd on the passenger manifest on the days of travel?
The other question is: will the NCAA bother to check into it?
August 21st, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^
Will take Lane's word for it. He's a pretty stand up guy.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:50 AM ^
Bacon got some pretty basic stuff wrong in Three and Out (such as scores to Michigan games), so his record of being correct is already a bit suspect.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:54 AM ^
+1 Interesting
August 21st, 2013 at 11:00 AM ^
But generally speaking, YOU would also like quite a few of those scores to be different, right?
August 21st, 2013 at 11:27 AM ^
In b4 Section 1 takeover
/takescover
August 21st, 2013 at 12:33 PM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 12:57 PM ^
You got it all wrong. I like Section 1. He is a well-educated Michigan fan with the history of the program.
The "Section 1 takeover" thing has become a joke.
August 21st, 2013 at 6:13 PM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 6:54 PM ^
So, very much like you and me, except well-educated?
August 21st, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^
His credibility is undermined by the fact he got the direction of a missed field goal wrong, and a couple of small scoring errors?
OK.
August 21st, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^
Sort of the definition of credibility, no?
August 21st, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^
Only if you're unable to distinguish between credibility and clerical errors . . . .
August 21st, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^
especially things that many Michigan fans know off the top of their head, and he puts himself out there as a Michigan football historian, then yes, minor errors in detail should make you wonder what else he got wrong. It's not like it was just a typo or something.
August 21st, 2013 at 12:17 PM ^
You can also point to the dozens of interviewees not included in the book (but when you've got Dusty Rutledge as a main source, you can make that decision).
You can also look to his completely incorrect description of the 2008 Penn State halftime situation as a major, major flub.
August 21st, 2013 at 1:20 PM ^
call doubt to a few small facts to blow up the overall assertion.
Was Bacon's book written from (in this case) Penn State Players' and in 3 and Out Rodriguez's point of view? Yes. Does he take some leaps to get his point across? Yes.
Do I think Bacon fabricated facts or statements? No. Should he have re-watched the games in his book and double checked the facts. Surely.
Do I as a reader have to accept his assertions as what really happened? No. Do I still like Bacon? Yes.
August 21st, 2013 at 10:14 PM ^
But, creating entire series of events in a football game will do it for me.
August 22nd, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^
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August 21st, 2013 at 10:56 AM ^
"If sending Snoop Lion to pick up recruits is wrong, then I don't want to be right". Also, Ole Tex always send a private jet to pick up Johnny Ballgame.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:07 AM ^
I'm depressed about Darboh in a way that's probably unhealthy -- so I'll ask this question to cheer me up:
Who would you want to pick you up after your private jet ride for your recruitment trip? I would not choose Snoop Lion. I would choose the ghost of Maurice Sendak.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^
Not sure who, but I know it wouldn't be a dude.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^
I chose a dude because Snoop Lion is a dude. It doesn't seem fair or equivalent to substitute hot women for skinny male musician/actors, which is what I understand Snoop Lion to be.
August 21st, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^
we believe you.. uh huh
August 21st, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^
if we can deposit some of our payload on Columbus enroute to Ann Arbor.
August 21st, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^
August 21st, 2013 at 11:40 AM ^
His song "Red Light" with Eddie Murphy (yes that Eddie Murphy) is actually realy good.