Red to return next year

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April 3rd, 2016 at 1:57 PM ^

Nonsense.  I'm sick of people claiming that pointing out that Red has clearly tailed off the last few years are somehow ungrateful or bad fans.  We all have tremendous love & respect for Red, but if you can't see that he's not the coach he used to be, then you're not just not paying attention.  This was the perfect time for him to walk away - GLI title, B10 title, back in the tourney with a win, probably a Hobey winner on the team, and hand it off.  It's ridiculous to say that we're ungrateful for being ready for the next era to begin.

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^

Actually, that's exactly what you said. And I quote "if it wasn't for a singular talent in Kyle Connor." A singular talent that Berenson recruited, coached, and put on a line with Motte and Compher (who are a huge reason we were so good also). So you are saying that if it weren't for Berenson being a good recruiter and assembling top talent and being able to roll out he top line in all of college hockey, we wouldn't be as good. So you ARE holding Berenson's ability to get top players here against him. If it wasn't for the best player on the team, they wouldn't be as good. Well no shit. That's the same for every single team.

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:04 PM ^

Yes... So a player Berenson recruited and coached being really good is a reason we made the tournament. But let's forget stellar play from Motte and Compher. Let's forget the Pairwise Ranking which penalizes poor play against poor teams. It doesn't matter if MSU sucks when you go out and beat them 9-2 at their rink. The conference being down has no bearing on how good Michigan actually was. A top 8 finish in the NCAA tourney shows that

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Wolverine Devotee

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:03 PM ^

This program is not what it used to be if we have people celebrating holiday tournament titles as major accomplishments. 

You obviously want to win it. Guess what? It means nothing in the grand scheme.

Won it in 2014-15. Terrible season.

Tech won it a few years ago and had a losing record. 

 

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:08 PM ^

You celebrate it regardless. It's a big tournament. Up until the Yost renovations, we DID have banners up for winning the GLI. There's still the banner in JLA, and there's still the trophy case at Yost with GLI all over it. "Not what it used to be if we are celebrating the GLI," yet the banners at Yost (not there since the renovation) and trophy case celebrating the GLI have been there as long as the GLI has been around. Makes sense WD.

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Wolverine Devotee

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:29 PM ^

Yeah, you celebrate it the night you win it. And then you move on because it's a holiday tournament that means nothing. 

I'd rather have not won the GLI this year and instead won that stupid Iron D. Because it would've meant getting the extra points to win the B1G Championship, something that really means something.

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Wolverine Devotee

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:42 PM ^

LOL 

You do realize that 3/4 teams in the Frozen Four won their conference regular season, right? Denver didn't because they'e in the same league as UND.

Winning the regular season conference title shows you're the best team because you did it all year long.

We saw it in 2011 when Michigan went to the Frozen Four and Miami lost in the first round after they won the CCHA Tournament.

Minnesota would be in the NCAAs if the B1G wasn't such a shitty league. 

Come on man. Don't put a holiday tournament on the same podium as winning a conference title. 

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:50 PM ^

Minnesota would be in the tournament if they won the B1G tournament. Winning the regular season title does nothing for your tournament, same as winning the GLI. Ask Minnesota which they would prefer. Then you say Minnesota would be in if the B1G wasn't such a shitty league? Seriously? Check Pairwise. Michigan would have made the tournament even without winning the regular season title and if they lost the conference title. Michigan was good. Had a good season. And the non conference performance was strong enough for a #7 finish in Pairwise. Michigan was a lock to be a tournament team even without a regular season or tournament title.

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MGoGrendel

April 3rd, 2016 at 5:33 PM ^

@South Bend Wolverine - RE: Hand off to another coach.

I scrolled down only enough to see a bunch of comments on mediocrely. SIAP.

Maybe the next coach is under contract for another year and next year is the best year for Michigan to make a coaching change. I'm not sure who that may be. It may be the case that Red wants to go, but is helping Michigan Hockey land the next great coach.



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Glen Masons Hot Wife

April 3rd, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^

fuck off dude.... Seeing the obvious, that Red should step down, that the game has passed him by, doesn't make me ungrateful... I should appreciate that he's holding the program back from it's potential by staying on?? 

I still watch the games and support the team... doesn't mean I have to be happy with Red failing to see/admit/acknowledge that he's getting in the way.

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^

What about YOU failing to see/admit/awknowledge that he just won ANOTHER GLI, won the Big Ten Tournament, took the team to the NCAA tournament, and won a first round game (meaning a top 8 finish in the nation). That's more than enough to warrant another season.

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^

Then proceeded to win the Big Ten tournament. The regular season title means nothing. Minnesota sat at home with the Big Ten regular season title while Michigan played in the NCAA tournament. According to Pairwise, Michigan was the 7th best team in the nation. If that's unacceptable to you, no wonder some fans are being called ungrateful. Also, don't act like that Minnesota team that won the Big Ten regular season isn't stacked with talent too. They're full of NHL draft picks and even players who weren't drafted that have signed contracts.

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JonnyHintz

April 3rd, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^

Michigan and North Dakota were essentially the same team. NDak just has better defense (which has never been Berenson's strength) and goaltending. Racine played well that game, but as a whole NDak's goalie had a better year. But you're never going to replace guys like Connor and Werenski on a yearly basis. Assuming we lose Connor, this is the 3rd consecutive year we will lose a freshman sensation. Werenski started college a year early, so he's freshman age too. There is no sustainability there. It's not realistic to expect to bring in a Trouba, Werenski, Larkin, or Connor on a yearly basis. More often than not, players of that caliber go the OHL route. Where you find sustainability, is picking up the guys like Compher and Motte who need to work on their game for 3-4 years. You recruit one and dones, and you're going to struggle to find any consistency. You didn't see it with Connor, but it usually takes time to adjust to the college game. Larkin was decent in the first half last year and exploded in the 2nd half. Had he played like that all year, and Michigan probably would have made the NCAA tournament.

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