Recruiting: John Beilein quote of the day
If only fans could take the same approach.
Coach Beilein has it in such a quiet way that he still comes off as a very genuine and friendly man and teacher. Recruits and their parents---especially those who want both an all-around quality college experience and possible development and advancement to the next level---have to feel real good about their chances upon commitment to Coach B's program.
Those who pass on the opportunity when offered by Beilein? Well, that's their mistake and I wish them well---in the end, they're the ones who may look back some day and regret a lost opportunity.
When beilein retires, I'll remember him mainly for his ability to uncover future NBA players from nowhere in particular.
to fuck off. . . I was especially impressed with how he handled that free agent from West Virginia a couple of months ago.
People don't like Duke here, but of all coaches, John Beilein reminds me most of Coach K.
It's good there is not much age difference between the two or Duke would come after Beilein when Coach K retires. Don't know if Beilein would actually leave though.
It was so awesome to see John Beilein build our program up from scratch, and he is now able to reap the rewards.
When he lost to Harvard - Tommy Ameker's Harvard - early on, it was the low point of his time here. Admit it, we thought the hire was a mistake . . . a Princeton system guy who can't recruit about to have his lunch eaten by surrounding competitors who recruit top 10 classes evry year and know how to let them play and win.
I never doubted the hire.
Nor have I. When Amaker was fired I disagreed mainly because I did not think any good coaches were available. Tubby Smith was the premiere coach available and he ha already gone to Minnesota.
Then Beilein was announced out of the blue and I was ecstatic. I won a fair number of bets against Sparty fans in state over the years who do not believe in Beilein.
Wish Beilein was their coach over Izzo.
Coaches, successful one, meet the attractiveness criteria of the alumni and the students. We wouldn't want Dantonio, no matter if he won a NC which will never happen because they are a part of the BIG and had Saban, arguably the best right now at deciding which 85 are the best suited to get him close enough to allow his coaching to take them the rest of the way. He can do this in the SEC because they put in almost as much time - it becomes easier after four years - deciding who they will be asking to leave as they do extending offers to the incoming players. As much as I respect what both coaches have been able to do there I wouldn't want either patrolling our sidelines any more than I would want a Holtz in AA. Just by holding a winning record over UM lately, the MSU fan base loves Dantonio, even though it's really his DC they should fear losing. However, just because UM has enjoyed a few years of beating Sparty more times than the reverse, I think they all hold IZZO in high esteem and understand if not for Magic, Jud wouldn't have been able to get them to the NCAA finals. Izzo, on the other hand, has made numerous significant tourney runs.
And when Saban beat us to win the Big X, as then known, then Fl in the bowl game, we wouldn't have wanted him here. Now Brady, other than losing a few pounds -my own opinion in how a fb coach should look - seems to be the perfect fit as to what he says, how he conducts himself, command of UM fb history and traditions, etc. And he obviously recruits in the same sphere as Meyer and now, it appears, Franklin. Seems, I said because it still is going to take double digit Ws every year to satisfy the fan base and we have to do away w/those silly close wins and sometimes losses to inferior opponents.
I've never had much against the university or most of its students. Since the '90s, maybe, I haven't had much against its players (thinking of Laettner, "Wojo", et al.). I still want them to lose, though.
Why? Coach K.
He's obviously a hall-of-famer and a talented guy. What a huge ego, though! He comes off as very insecure and unlikeable. His (to date, anyway ... Collins looks promising) lame coaching tree speaks volumes. It seems to generally be all about him.
I hated that team from the early 90s since it had dudes like Hurley, Laettner etc but those are guys like Chelios or Laimbeer or Mahorn that if they were on your team you loved them but opponents hated them, so it was all good. I dont hate the program and I am sure Coach K is not perfect but overall i think Duke is viewed in bball a LOT like UM or ND is in football (but with better recent results). Many people see them as an uppity program, with a certain arrogance and that is frankly how many viw us and ND in football.
and we'll see what Wojo can do at Marquette. they've had a solid program for a while, he should have significant resources at his disposal.
That is a fucking joke, right? Coach K is shady as fuck when it comes to recruiting.
I had a discussion/argument with a few posters months ago about Coach K and I just don't get where this opinion comes from. I don't want to start another internet argument, but what is your opinion based off of? Serious question. Am I missing something?
I genuinely believe his is class act. Sure, he comes across as prickly or arrogant in some press conferences. But these coaches are hyper-competitive. It's much more difficult to keep your cool 100% of the time than it is to act like a douche now and then. And in their defense, the media probably asks them redundant/stupid question (this particular paragraph directed toward the poster above).
Not that I care at all about getting negged, but I am seriously looking for an explanation of where the negative perception of Coach K comes from. I won't argue it. Just wondering if I'm missing something.
Can somebody please explain. Something more than "seems like a douche," please.
Repeat after me. Only a coach. Only a coach. Yes, a damn successful one bot..only....
you mean that humorless, self-promoting, 4-letter word spewing guy who complains about every call? Eeeewwww. I think they have little in common other than both coaching at schools that require a semblence academic rigor.
I'm curious how does Beilein remind you of Coach K?
I really want us to land a major recruit, like Derryck Thornton Jr., but I'd hate for him to leave after just one season. Two years seems too soon, as well.
Beilein (and Co.) recruited and developed so well that they only got two years out of the best parts of two straight classes. Its gotta be kind of exhausting to get some great players only to have them go to the NBA and you gotta start all over again.
It just reinforces the fact that in college basketball you have to recruit hard every year. However, there are less roster spots to fill, so there's that.
I'd still take a team full of future pros any day over the Wisconsin archetype of average tall dudes with no athleticism.
That group of "average tall dudes with no athleticism" were a Hail Mary 3 point shot away from making the title game.
Bo Ryan doesn't recruit future NBA stud athletic freaks, but he doesn't need to. His teams have been getting along pretty well, all things considered.
After 11 years, Ryan got to his 1st final four, not coincidentally, with his first NBA prospect in a long time - Kaminsky. He also made a radical departure from Turtle Ball, opening up the offense with a swing system.... big whoop.
Beilein came a lot closer to wining the damn thing. I'll take his system for the tourney, bar none - other teams don't know how to defend it.
considering that Michigan had the NPOY and 4 other future 1st rd picks.
Wisconsin has had 5 first rd draft picks *total* since 1980.
Maybe a bit, but obviously very satisfying for Coach B---during the NBA Draft a few weeks ago, there was no doubt from watching this man that he was very proud of the accomplishments of his students, not at all unlike the way parents are when they see their kids leaving the nest thoroughly prepared for making a life for themselves.
They're taking players and helping them get better. If that means they're ready for the NBA in a year or two, great. But they're not haphazardly trying to get all the top high schoolers in the country every year, and pushing aside the upper classmen who weren't good enough to leave early.
I hope Coach Beilein gets a National Championship before he retires. Not because I want one as a fan - it'd be nice - but because he seriously deserves one.
We've already come close....breathtakingly close.
Yes agree. And I am sick of the "well what did he do before UM" complaints our friends to the west lay on him. Guess what - it is going to be pretty rare to take Canisius to win the NCAA tourney. By rare, I mean impossible. There are probably 10 Beilein's out there laboring at some Div 2 or podunk Div 1 team who do it right, get the most out of their players, and build a great team RELATIVE to what that team's ceiling is. That is true coaching - not being handed a bunch of Kansas type players and going to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8.
There are a lot of great coaches at the HS or lower college level who by circumstance, life, chance, etc never get to perform at the highest level. And they would do just as well or better than a lot of coaches at high end BCS type programs but will never get the opportunity. I see Beilein as one of those guys and he finally got into a program late in his life where he could display his assets.
meshing talents and personalities is just as much a part of coaching as drawing up plays and teaching skills.
We'll care about Battle and Thornton then, according to Beilein.
Don't get me wrong, its a great quote, but I don't fully believe it. If he didn't care who he didn't get then he wouldn't have offered them in the first place. When the class is all said and done then it makes senseto stop caring about who you didn't get, but if they lose out on a player they really wanted and needed it has repercussions until they fill the spot.
After a player commits to another school, what good would it do spending any time worrying about that player anymore? It's completely wasted energy. Good coaches/recruiters simply turn to their recruiting board and see who to target next.
And I don't think successful coaches/recruiters ever believe that they "need" a particular player. That's the way fans think—not coaches. You can't be a successful college coach and think that way.
there is a difference between worrying and caring, they don't worry about that player but they do care if they didn't get him because maybe they haven't been recruiting another player at their position very hard or the players they are recruiting in their place aren't looking that positive. They definitely care if a player commits someplace else because it 100% affects what they do the rest of the recruiting cycle.
and I like it too. Beilein wants guys who want to be here and so do I. Once a guy chooses some other school, it is good luck, good bye and move on.
Beilein has proven that whoever he gets, whether they're 5 stars or 3 stars, that he will mold them into great basketball players that get better every year.
LeVert was a nobody 2 years ago, and now he's all over 2015 mock draft boards. In some cases a lottery pick. Won't be long before Walton and Irvin get there too.
At least in my opinion, one of the reasons that the philosophy of Beilein works so well is that one of its primary tenets is to maximize the strengths of the players that Michigan does bring in. I think part of that is taking largely unheralded players that fit the scheme and getting the most out of them, but also having players take on a fluid role and actually gain skills on their trek to the pros (if that is where they re bound).
Is OK but nothing compared to what a college coaching staff is capable of. The strength program, the discipline while playing, the complexity of offenses and the depth of the competition can take a kid with good skills and turn them into much better players. My son was a good player in high school but when he got to college he had to work extremely hard to keep up. His game moved forward more than I ever thought it would. That comes from great coaching and you get that from coaches who have dedicated themselves to the game and can coach at the college level. JB has an uncanny ability to recognize that hidden talent in kids and bring them into the fold. You will notice that most of all the recent recruits have bought into the program philosophy. That's knowing what your getting before the kids commits.
The route this guy is going he might have a statue when it's all said and done.
MLive is such a hack. Brennan Quinn can't even spell the coaches name correctly.