Reasons you hate Notre Dame

Submitted by samber2009 on

Just to get the morning board flowing, let's hear any and every reason you dislike ND. I'm catholic, grew up in Indiana, and that school was shoved down my throat.  I grew up with people like damefan all around me. That's probably the base of my hatred.

Side note: We do love our fellow MGoUser, Irish.

EDIT: As profitgoblue says below, try and keep this clean and good natured.

bouje13

September 8th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^

except catholic.  I hate those self righteous catholic bastards (I'm catholic well kinda so no this isn't religion-ist).  I just hate that they think that God is on their side!  

triangle_M

September 8th, 2011 at 11:03 AM ^

1993 - Notre Dame 27, Michigan 23

I was at my uncle's house in San Diego.  It was the only UM game I was able to watch all year because I was in Asia for the rest of the season.    Totally awesome 99 yard drive but unable to pull it out.  

I also roomed with a ND fan who stole my Pogues shirt because it had shamrocks on it.  Evidently if it has shamrocks on it, and you're a ND fan, you have some claim to it.  He denied it, then after we weren't room-mates anymore I saw him wearing it at a bar.  That's what we call douche-baggery.

 

MBAgoblue

September 8th, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^

Notre Dame fans smug sense of superiority about academics and athletics. Brian has effectively demolished this meme in the past, but they are convinced that Michigan football uses up and throws out football players without bothering to educate them, particularly so for African American athletes. It's reflexive with them.

AMazinBlue

September 8th, 2011 at 11:17 AM ^

1.  Bo said so.

2. They always get special consideration from the media and polls

3. They are treated like they are some special child that must always be included in every discussion because they have some rich history or significance. 

4. Michigan has more history and significance and a better record and duh, we taught them how to play and they copied our stadium.  ND is nothing more than a wannabee, but the media always seems to be drawn to them while ignoring Michigan, who most of the time is at least equal to, if not better than ND on any given year.

5.  They play a candyass schedule.  Play Alabama, Texas, Nebraska or OSU and leave Tulsa and the like off the schedule.  Or better yet join the B1G and let's see how good you really are.

snowcrash

September 8th, 2011 at 11:18 AM ^

I don't hate ND, but I have always rooted against them because they get too much hype year in and year out. One time when I was growing up (1983 to be exact) I saw a promo for an ND-Miami game that started, "No-tra Dame football, the great American tradition!" I immediately thought to myself, "I hope Miami kicks their ass". Miami won 20-0.

 

 

MGoPietrowski

September 8th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^

I grew up in Evansville, Indiana and still live there. My entire existence as a Michigan football fan (since i came flying out of my mother with a #21 jersey on) has been plagued by many Indiana sports fans, Hoosiers, Boilermakers, etc. But the most arrogant, illogical and fanatical of these has to be the Notre Dame Fan. 

Four specific examples:

1. Last friday (The eve before the Western game) we had all gone back to my front porch for a few drinks after a local high school football game. One of the guys my UM friend brought over was a staunch Irish fan. He told me that Western and USF were both "gimmes". I reminded him that anybody who considers their first opponent of the season, after not playing for nine months, a "gimme" can in no way possible know a damn thing about football. He told me i was full of shit, that USF was going to get walked over, and that if ND didn't win under the lights by at least "17", he'd be disappointed. Typical Irish Ignorance.

2. During college, I was eating at the Loft, our school's main cafeteria. Following a thrashing of ND early in the semester, a dude in a Notre Dame jersey saw me in my Michigan jersey, threw his lunch tray down and went off on me. I didn't even say anything to him. I didn't know what to do. I stood there, frozen. This dude lost it simply because a sports team he liked lost to a sports team i liked in a manner he thought was unfair. This is Southern Indiana. This is my life. 

3. When the preseason rankings came out this year, I posted to facebook "How is ND ranked #11? They went 8-5 last year, struggled against mobile QBs and don't even know who their QB is going to be." A guy I went to High School with responded "You'll see Sep 10th". A response void of logic, or reasoning, or anything resembling a basis for why he believed. I've never been a "My team will beat your ass!" kind of fan. I leave that for the Irish and the Buckeyes. But this is the same dude that after we beat them last year wrote on my wall "Another win for you Michigan faggots. Fuck you." Classy. 

4. If it weren't for Catholicism or the movie Rudy, the Notre Dame fan base would rival that of a latin-centric grammar school.

Thanks for reading my essay. It was written with hate in my heart.

readyourguard

September 8th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^

I grew up in Southern California as a HUGE Notre Dame fan.  My goal was to play football for the Irish.  I moved to Michigan as a teenager and continued to root for them, despite constant badgering from my friends who were all Michigan fans.

As a junior I camped at Notre Dame when Jerry Faust and his numbskull staff were running that program into the ground.  I hated everything about that camp:  the coaches, the facilities, the weather, the dorms, EVERYTHING.  I drove from South Bend to Ann Arbor and camped at UofM.  The rest, as they say, is history.

michelin

September 8th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^

Now Kelley’s TV spectacle  has changed a perfectly good Irish song, once known as

“Has anybody here seen Kelley?”

to “

"Now Everybody here’s seen Kelley”

The lyrics:

Kelly down in Cinci wore a very pleasant smile,

But left it for ND with cunning and with guile,

He looked safe in South Bend but alas it's sad to say,

For Kelly lost his little grin up down in South Bend way.

Cameras on the sideline saw him start to fret,

Screaming at his players and everyone he met.



Now everybody here’s  seen Kelly

K-E-double-L-Y.

Now everybody here’s seen Kelly

Warn kids if you can!

He's bad far more than Charlie-O,

Cussing on the TV-o,

Now everybody here’s seen Kelly

Kelly the crazy Man!



When it started raining he exclaimed, "What shall I do?"

For Kelly had a bad QB and a foul mouth too,

He wandered over the sidelines like a hound upon the scent,

His neck veins started bulging, his anger began to vent.

Cameras showed the players, who wondered who he’d kill,

And soon they heard him shouting in a voice both loud and shrill.



Now everybody here’s  seen Kelly

K-E-double-L-Y.

Now everybody here’s seen Kelly

Warn kids if you can!

He's bad far more than Charlie-O,

Cussing on the TV-o,

Now everybody here’s seen Kelly

Kelly the crazy Man!

readyourguard

September 8th, 2011 at 12:16 PM ^

I was at that game.  It was my first game in Michigan Stadium, having recently moved here from CA.  If that picture showed more of the crowd in the upper rows, you'd see this gump jumping up and down, wildly cheering in his...............NOTRE DAME shirt.   Thank God I finally saw the light.

jb5O4

September 8th, 2011 at 12:25 PM ^

I don't hate Notre Dame but things I like to laugh at them for:

1) damefan1
2) Rudy
3) Self inflicted recruiting disadvantage (if you want to win championships some players have to redshirt and take General Studies)
4) Stuck in the past, at least Michigan is starting to adapt and catch up with the SEC.

WolverineHistorian

September 8th, 2011 at 12:31 PM ^

1.  Lou Holtz

2.  Their contract with NBC to have all their home games broadcast.  35 other teams have more wins and a better winning % than ND the last 18 years.  They are not deserving of that contract in any way.

3.  Ty Law's phantom pass intereference on 3rd and goal in 1992 to give ND a fresh set of downs, a gift TD to tie the game. 

4.  Carlyle Holiday dropping the football at the 2 yard line in 2002, going into the end zone holding nothing but air, and being rewarded a touchdown.

5.  The ref measuring for a first down with an index card in 1990.  Only in South Bend.

6.  Charlie Weiss and the fact that Irish fans constantly said the only reason Tom Brady had any success in the NFL was because of Weiss.

7.  They are the only school to get a Heisman winner during a losing season.

8.  They are the only school to enter the top 25 after LOSING a game.

9.  They got invited to BCS bowls in 2001, 2005 and 2006 despite never defeating a top ten team any of those seasons.  It's no wonder they ended up losing 41-9, 34-20 and 41-14 in their bowls. 

10.  The hiring of Gerry Faust.  They are the only school arrogant enough to hire a guy because of his dominance coaching high school football. 

11.  Bob Davie after the 1997 UM/ND game in Ann Arbor.  A game in which we turned the ball over 3 times in the second half on our side of the field, yet our dominant defense didn't allow any points because of them.  Davie's response?  "At the end of the day, we have to ask ourselves, did Michigan beat us?  No.  We beat ourselves."  Sorry your team couldn't cash in on all those gifts we kept giving you, coach. 

12.  Rocket Ismail.  I'll curse that name until the day I die. 

13.  Having to hear, "RETURN TO GLORY!" from Irish fans when Davie was hired, then when Willingham was hired, then when Weiss was hired.  And yes, even the 5 days George O'Leary was their coach, I heard it a few times.

14.  Pre-season hype for winning their last 4 games last year.  Games against Miami (6 losses) Army (6 losses), USC (5 losses) .

15.  Harry Oliver and the now changed rule on pass interference that set up that miracle play.

16. Lou Holtz

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justingoblue

September 8th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^

The smug sense of superiority that comes from their answer to why they think ND is a great school/team. I get the impression that Michigan fans would cite best winning percentage, most wins, biggest stadium, USC would point to their Rose Bowl success, OSU to Woody Hayes, but the ND fans I know point to their ethnicity and religion, which really bugs me.

Be Irish Catholic all you want (and one of my best friends is very Irish Cathlolic ND fan), but it doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to academics or athletics. Also, why isn't BYU, BC, Baylor or TCU God's team? BYU and TCU have been much better teams lately, and Baylor actually has won a game this year.

michelin

September 8th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^

Recall the national title ND claimed when both ND and UM went 9-0 and the AP voted ND #1 BEFORE the bowl game.  ND did not go to a bowl game, while UM did, then proceeded to shut out its opponent by a score far more convincing than ND's margin over the same team.

A second, informal AP poll after the bowl game voted UM #1 by about a 2-1 margin.

Yet, ND still claims to be the sole recipient of that national title.

stmccoy

September 8th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^

Because Lou Holtz picks them to win 10-11 games every year and go to the BCS and every year they are terrible despite playing a relatively easy schedule. 

tn wolverine

September 8th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^

The first reason was that the two boys who lived next to us on Lombardi drive in Canton Michigan were big fans (Jimmy and Joey you know who you are). All we heard was Notre Dame this and Notre Dame that. They were also Michigan fans too, which I didn't understand but at 6 and 8 you don't have your full time rooting interests formed yet, I guess. I've also never watched "Rudy" because it's about Notre Dame. People have told me for years I should watch it because it's a great feel good sports movie. I refuse, I'll never watch it !!! I just can't stand Notre Dame. Plus, I don't understand how coaches,( Lou Holtz and Bob Davie come to mind ) can still have such utterly blind stupid love for a place that FIRED them. They'd pick them to win against the 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers in a game, it's dumbfounding. There are so many more but that's a start.

FrankMurphy

September 8th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^

Notre Dame is like a spoiled rich kid who gets all kinds of special treatment but has never done anything to deserve it. I hate Ohio State but I respect Ohio State. I hate Notre Dame and I do not respect Notre Dame. 

3rdGenerationBlue

September 8th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^

....and more. While seeing Michigan beat Ohio tops my list of favorite things to see in the fall watching ND lose to Michigan (and many other teams) is a close second. They just flat out don't deserve the attention they get.

Skunkeye

September 8th, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^

My hate was born when I was very young.  I'd get up on a Sunday morning and they would be hogging one of my 3 channels with a Notre Dame replay where it seemed like the script was always the same.  Notre Dame would suck up the place until the 4th quarter and then the other team would role over so that they could have some ridiculous heroic finish.  I usually didn't know the score so I would always get sucked in and think that this is the time they're going down but inevitably another miracle would occur.  All of this turned a slight dislike into a raging hatred that had taken hold before I was 10.  Then when I was older and they did this to Michigan a couple times, my hatred became the burning fury that it is today.

 

Elno Lewis

September 8th, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^

Named after a French Cathedral (which, French--gotta hate) and has an Irish mascot.

 

Also, a little known fact is that ND cooperated with the Nazis in the Pearl Harbor attack.

I Bleed Maize N Blue

September 8th, 2011 at 6:15 PM ^

To Hell with Notre Dame!

Lou Holtz was a good coach, but it seemed like in every press conference, he was whining about something - in that annoying voice - even when they won!

There were times when they were our first game, but they had already played one.

Special BCS consideration, NBC contract.

BlueDragon

September 8th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^

--Notre Dame does not speak for the Catholic population in this country.  The bloc is far from monolithic, and Irish are just one predominantly Catholic ethnic group that made it big in the United States.

--The music department at Notre Dame sucks, at least in the departments that matter (I'm all about winds and percussion).  Also, a school that claims to be elite without a real engineering department makes me go Hmmmmmmm.

--Lou Holtz and Under the Tarnished Dome.  He's a snake.

--The school is just plain overrated.