As a guy who played college football, spring ball doesn't mean shit. Terminology was introduced so that does mean something but missed reps by those injured doesn't hurt. There is a ton of time between now and the end of August.
Reasons to be optimistic about OL
Funk will be this year's Borges ... he better be prepared to have the hatred of Michigan's entire fan base aimed at him. Unless of course the O-line somehow improves. I'm guessing there will be a convoy of "Fire Funk" posts after a dismal ground attack against App.St..
Personally, I feel there's a better chance they skip right over Funk and go after Hoke.
It is going to be a very interesting first 6 games. Miami (OH) might be one of the 5 worst teams in CFB and App State is a shell of the team that came in here 6 years ago or whatever it was.
Utah and Minnesota will determine the fate of this year and people will say "WHAT" when I say that. Utah is not a good team but did find a way to beat Stanford at home. They are better than Akron or UConn I imagine. If they waltz into Michigan Stadium versus a 2-1 UM (assumption is we lose to ND with this crazy young offense) and beat us, we are 2-2 with an improved Minnesota coming in. Those 2 games essentially mark the season because all these calls for 8-4 assume the 3 rival losses and then 1 game you let slip away somewhere else. It does not assume losses to Utah or Minn at home. So we'll know how hot Hoke's seat gets very early.
If we exit Sept 3-2, with two of those wins versus Hapless State and Hapless (OH), it doesn't look promising. We go on the road vs a bad Rutgers team right after that but ...UConn.
where this mentality the ND is an automatic loss.. when did they become unbeatable? I agree that if we lose to Utah and ND Hoke's seat is on fire at that point.. but I think the chances of that are slim. We have a super talented 5th year senior qb, and a D that should be borderline elite, If we go 8-4 I will be pissed.
As for this nonsense about Funk, The fact that he has to watch Alabama film to learn that scheme makes me sad. Still I beleive that Nuss knows what it takes to be a winner and he will impose his will on the position coaches. The man is a couple good seasons from a quality head coaching gig, I don't think he's gonna let that slip through his hands here, he will turn this around...please god help him turn this around.
Why are people freaked out that Funk watched Alabama tape? I'd be freaked out if he didn't.
Because it's very basic and something with which any high school coach should be familiar.
You can't be serious. The offensive coordinator for Alabama is now the offensive coordinator for Michigan. Where better to see the specifics (not the basics) of what Nuss wants his offense to do? Do you really see no value in sitting down with your offensive linemen and making points to them from film of what is likely to be the closest thing you'll find to what they will be doing next yesr? If so, doesn't it make sense to watch that film yourself first to pick out the examples that are best for teaching?
It boggles my mind that with all of the legitimate reasons to be concerned about the o-line, this has somehow become one.
I know the Oline development is huge and will take time. We will definitely need to hang our hats on the D until the OL develops. So my question is...How do you all feel about that!?
Yep, Funk's not going to be a big enough fish to satisfy the ravening crowds if things go sour, and by sour I mean anything less than 4-1 in September. They'll go straight after Hoke, and to be honest, I probably will too.
talk in something like sentences.
Well, gotta run.
They were overmatched, but nobody was lost like last year. Nobody standing there blocking nobody.
At least they're not blocking each other like Florida's oline so there's that.
At least they're not blocking each other like Florida's oline so there's that.
2013 Rushing YPA:
Florida - #99, 3.6YPA
Michigan - #113, 3.3YPA
2013 Tackles for loss allowed:
Florida - #110, 7.17 per game
Michigan - #121, 8.77 per game
It's incredible how close so many games were last year, even with the terrible OL. It's amazing how far a solid defense can take you, and I think the UM defense will be better this year. I don't think the OL will be good... at best they'll be average by season's end. But that's all the team needs to have a pretty damn good season.
Not to mention a weak schedule.
we were to losing to Akron and UConn too.
I do not disagree. An average OL will be an immediate upgrade and improvement. An average OL should be good enough for 9-10 win, at least in my opinion.
They do not have to be great, just reduce the number of sack/hits on QB and negative plays. That's it. Those two things will produce a noticable improvement.
A year after being epically awful, we lost two NFL tackles and per Hoke himself they have no clue who the starting 5 is.
There are years in the not so recent past that not one of the five projected starters for this year would be a starter for Michigan. Until shown otherwise, I'm convinced this year they will be as bad or worse. Yes, worse.
No set starting Oline after 15 spring practices and a ton of sophomores/freshmen competing? WOW IM SHOCKED LETS PANIC.
obviously there are years when nobody who would start this year would start, but i bet those years have an all american or two or some upperclassmen who would be starting instead.
Reason for optimism? Let's try the fact that it almost can't be any worse than it was last year. It was a half step above Gardner hiking the ball to himself every snap.
can't be any worse than it was last year
Sadly we all said that before last year too.
Unless we were dead last in every offensive category then it actually can be worse. Soooo I'm really hoping we don't have to see what that looks like. Need some mean mugs on the oline
Sorry. No optimism. I see no physicality on the online. No road grader types. I see skid marks in underwear when I see the online.
I'm optimistic because of Borges's track record as an offensive coordinator. He has a pretty good track record of helming putrid rushing offenses the year before he leaves a job. Essentially, it seems like he schemes for a couple years, then the player development becomes an issue. Hopefully Borges was the problem, and we will develop our young linemen this year. And if Borges was not the problem, we are going to be sad pandas.
This has been a source of confusion. Consensus was that most of our problems were due to Borges. He's gone and his spot has been filled by Nussmeier of Alabama. So why are people still so down?
I think the line will be improved. The scheme might help. But the fact that we could have 0-1 new starters is a huge factor that no one seems to consider. Losing Lewan and Schofield could be mitigated by having 5 guys that have all started. Fewer missed assignments. Fewer disasters. If we had cleaned some of that up last season, we win 2-3 more games.
I wonder if it's possible that last season, besides struggling to find a solid starting 5, that the coaches purposely wanted to get alot of different guys playing time in an attempt to be more prepared for this season?
That's doubtful. They didn't give Kalis playing time the year before when it was obvious they would desparately need him to be part of the foundation of the 2013 OL.
They can't get any worse?
I have no optimism. Not until I see the product on the field this fall. No Kool-Aid for me thanks.
All the cool kids are doing it...
Needs to give us an advantage period. Urban gives a offensive advantage and Dantonio gives a defensive advantage and until we (UM) have a game changer on the sidelines it'll be much of the same. Damn!
That's the true 'third' side of the ball.
All smart ass jokes aside we need to establish a dominate defense. When we have a truly stellar D we will really begin to notice The change in the only column that counts... Wins.
Kickoff. The only reason to be optomistic about the OL is so I don't jump off the Stadium st. viaduct before then...
My summer project is going to be building a bunker in the back yard. I will go in the night before the first Michigan game and have someone get me out in time for the NFL playoffs in January 2015. That is the only way I will survive this season.
is grasping at straws.
I have some ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to talk to you about...
So what you're saying is that you're optimistic despite the fact that the OL coach lacks experience in the system, the players have to learn the new system from said OL coach, and some of those key players have dealt with injuries during this crucial learning period which has prevented them from practicing together, not to mention they were brutal last year and lost their two best players. I sure hope they improve by the big ten season, but how good can they really be this year? One thing I've learned from many years of being overly optimistic is that you can't put too much faith in young inexperienced players based on their potential. I don't want to sound pessimistic, but it's what I've become in regards to this team.
I'm hoping for a date with Kate Upton, except that I'm married, old enough to be her father, more than a little too flabby, make much less money than her current boyfriend, and she has no idea I even exist. Other than that, I'm saying there's a chance.
The O.P. got close to constructing a coherent argument but couldn't finish.
His anecdotes are certainly not evidence that the OL will be good...but they bring further good reason to believe it is too soon to judge the badness we've seen. And that it is *certainly* too soon to say data from 2013 and the spring game conspire to predict with certainty a poor 2014. Which is just another way of saying "maybe." Which is fair.
So yes: This is what it's come to: Cop outs, technicalities, and "optimism" that--depending on your shade of glasses--is painted in such broad strokes as to be concurrently pessimistic.
The 2013 spring game told me about as much as the 2014 spring game.
It has been proven many times that star ratings do, indeed, mean a great deal. Therefore, we know we are playing with very talented linemen going from year one to year two. We also know that the greatest improvement in any sport is normally year one to year two. Funk, who to date has not proven he is at the level of Fry did express what most predicted: We would keep things far simpler, making sure these kids were drilled over and over for a undetermined, but definitely smaller number of plays until they had proven they were as good as possible at this unspecified number until they were asked to move on to not necessarily more advanced technniques but to learning assignments to our complimentary package. This is a proven method to success and has been used by all great rushing teams throughout the nation. Barry did his thing at WI, removing them from cellar dwellers and Ferentz was able to simply replace injured RBs, all with the same results, simply by drilling the hell out of their OL and keeping the playbook very small until their level of athletes increased. It is no different than how Bo returned MI to the elite of cfb and is certainly the reason for AL's string of 1,000 yard rushers. Only Bama, among those listed above, has recruited better than UM on the OL since Hoke's arrival. I stated year one to year two generally produces the greatest amount of improvement, but that doesn't mean they learned nothing during their RS years. ^As I stated Nuss will keep it simple, and evidence does exist that then ball can be moved efficiently in this manner. In fact, when the OL does actually execute a play to perfection our highly touted RBs will, of course, have their chances to make them look even better. They will also be led by a qb who will be playing in his fifth season in the league, albeit w/extremely limited PT in his first season. Inasmuch as he's perhaps the most intelligent qb in the league will give Nuss another weapon when it comes to check downs, etc. These are all reasons to be optimistic, and I won't chicken out by saying they could lay on the ground and look better. I will temper the optimism though with reiteration of subject line. We must be realistic, and if we're not actually pancaking those DLs that we should be, then someone is not doing their job and it might not be the players. Of course we won't be knocking over those squads with talent equal or greater than ours because of experience. However, we should be able to extend our T.O.P. against this type of team merely by keeping the playbook as small as is comfortable by displaying our "newfound" ability, even if rush avg is 3.5 yds a play. This, of course, is not great but is about 3 times greater than last season and although it certainly contains a level of optimism, it is guarded-we won't be leading the league, let alone the nation in rushing- but we won't have to either. This small improvement is predicated not only on increased experience, but also adding to this expected incremental improvement should be a much more polished qb, a much quicker TB-any OL needs this- and a coach with a far better understanding of how to bring your OL together. He has done it year after year at Bama, admittedly with players who were able to gain far more experience because their NFL type OL had the game won by half-time, but history says he has done it.
Between massblue's disaster threads and your inability to use paragraph breaks or anything remotely close to concise diction, the board is quickly becoming a clown show.
our only sliver of optimism may come as a result the OL can not be worse than last year. Though, what if they're worse. At least our two senior tackles gave DG a bit of time to throw. Now he may have no time to throw and we may not lose as many yards per play but if we only gain 6 yards in 3 downs, the team will be punting a lot.
I'm optimistic when I say this team may go 8-4. I'm very worried that the team may finish 6-6 or 7-5. The truth be told I'm so worried I dread the start of the season. This has never happened. Even in '09, I knew we would finish higher then 3-8 so it was somewhat exciting with a new coach for the '09 team. Now every season we have gotten worse. I hope Hoke can turn things around. I need to see improvement in the team this season. There must be player development this season!
You dread the start of the season? That's a little much.